10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[2goldfish]

Maybe lied by ommission? Maybe lied outright, you are right, we don't know which it was. She didn't tell LE she was drunk that night, she told them she fed and put Lisa to sleep at 7:30 and checked on her at 10:30 before she went to bed with her son and stray kitty. Such a sweet little story -- which changed to "yeah" I was drunk, so what? I put her in bed at 6:40 and can't remember if I ever checked on her again. Hey, adult time, I'm entitled. This was after LE found the liquor store receipts and watched the video.

I felt sorry for her the first couple of times I watched the intitial press conferences where she was bawling and crying her eyes out, now watching them again makes my stomach turn....now they seem transparent and self-serving.

DB is the type that will admit to nothing until she is caught.

this is why I cant make any conclusions at all til LE releases some info, if they EVER do. if DB was drunk at 10 pm, then she was drunk at 4 am ESPECIALLY if she drank to blackout ....if she was or was not drinking that night, LE should know....

I suppose it's possible they dont know. I have a relative of sorts who can drink a shockingly large amount of beer in a day but you wouldnt know it by her behaviour. no slurring or stumbling or that kind of thing.

however the thing I assume is that DB would have explained to LE right away that she had too much to drink to recall things like....when she last saw her daughter, because it was important in ther investigation! we only know from interviews what DB has said, we dont know how honest she was with LE, 100% or otherwise.

my personal opinion is that DB was not drunk at all and there are reasons she said she was, but I dont KNOW anything.

 

[KCMommie]

It's been fluctuating. My article was dated 10/25.

ETA- I completely and 100% agree that they want answers that only the ADULTS can answer. I totally and 100% agree that they need to get their butt to the station and do what they gotta do. I just don't like it circulating that they aren't talking or cooperating at all, I think not it's important to keep a good, honest outlook on what did and didn't happen.

Got ya. But really the only statements I'm aware of is only 40 hours time devoted to the parents involvement 'together'. (what day missing are we at?) I really think LE is handling them with 'kid gloves' because of their aversion in answering these questions. IMVHO

 

[KCMommie]

I have to say, I absolutely question the 'drunk' issue!

 

[Abby Normal]

Got ya. But really the only statements I'm aware of is only 40 hours time devoted to the parents involvement 'together'. (what day missing are we at?) I really think LE is handling them with 'kid gloves' because of their aversion in answering these questions. IMVHO

I think 40 hours means "formal sit downs" and I also think that number is exaggerated by JT. He said "together and apart" which makes me think he counted their time together and apart separately and added it. For example 15(JI, 10 alone and 5 with DB)+ 15(DB, 10 alone and 5 with JI)+ 5(together) that had already been included in their own calculation. **I'm not confirming these actual numbers, ONLY examples**

That is just my guess, that he's talking formal interrogation hours and then spun the numbers. They had a long sit down Tuesday and Saturday following the disappearance so it would line up in my perspective.

I 100% agree that if LE wants them there more, they need to be there more. I know it sucks, but we're adults and when your baby is missing you do what you have to.

I think that Young has used the non-cooperative thing as leverage whenever he can't get something he wants. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of full cooperation and complete lack of cooperation. But that is perception, and not fact. I think that Young wavering on it supports my theory though.

fwiw, I looked it up, fearing that the article had been regurgitated, and ABC dated that article with the same date.

 

[Jaxson]

I think it's important to point out that she didn't LIE about drinking, she just didn't include it. She never said "the wine wasn't mine, I was completely sober" and then changed her story. She just omitted the drinking from her original story, and IMO most of us (expecting it wasn't related, expecting the baby would be found sooner and safely, not even thinking about "good times" the night before) may have omitted that from our initial reports to the public.

Mind you, she wanted to get her child's picture out and be on the news- she was not yet trying to explain herself or defend herself. She owed the public NO information about herself at that point.

JMO, but "lying about drinking" is quite a stretch. To this day she did not have to admit that, and it still wouldn't be lying.

ETA- She DID lie about the last time she saw or checked on Lisa. That was her lie IMO.

Is this a fact? I have was gone yesterday and didn't know that it had been confirmed? Help? Link?

 

[Emeralgem]

I have to say, I absolutely question the 'drunk' issue!

Me too..JMHO

 

[Abby Normal]

Is this a fact? I have was gone yesterday and didn't know that it had been confirmed? Help? Link?

What do you mean?

It's a fact that she did mention being drunk in her original statements to media.

One would just have to look at her original statements to confirm. I wasn't claiming that they were omitted from her original statements to LE. That I don't know! HTH!

 

[Jaxson]

What do you mean?

It's a fact that she did mention being drunk in her original statements to media.

One would just have to look at her original statements to confirm. I wasn't claiming that they were omitted from her original statements to LE. That I don't know! HTH!

Yes, I guess I thought that you were saying 'she omitted it from her statement' as a fact and I didn't know if her statement had been released and she didn't tell them she was drinking. ITA we can not say she 'lied' because as far as we know she told them up front from the git go that she was drunk. People keep saying she lied about it and LE found the receipt but we don't know how it transpired.

 

[Abby Normal]

Yes, I guess I thought that you were saying 'she omitted it from her statement' as a fact and I din
t know if her statement had been released and she didn't tell them she was drinking. ITA we can not say she 'lied' because as far as we know she told them up front from the git go that she was drunk. People keep saying she lied about it and LE found the receipt but we don't know how it transpired.

Thanks for asking, I clarified my original post for clarity so I wouldn't be perpetuating a rumor.

I was saying that we can't know she lied to LE, all we have is "details coming in" with her telling the media. Just because she didn't mention it at first, doesn't mean she was denying it either.

 

[Abby Normal]

And about that October 8th interview, wasn't it said in the media that the parents would only talk about the tips coming in and nothing else?

I didn't read this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't written. if you find a link, I would love to read it.

 

[justamommy]

Maybe lied by ommission? Maybe lied outright, you are right, we don't know which it was. She didn't tell LE she was drunk that night, she told them she fed and put Lisa to sleep at 7:30 and checked on her at 10:30 before she went to bed with her son and stray kitty. Such a sweet little story -- which changed to "yeah" I was drunk, so what? I put her in bed at 6:40 and can't remember if I ever checked on her again. Hey, adult time, I'm entitled. This was after LE found the liquor store receipts and watched the video.

I felt sorry for her the first couple of times I watched the intitial press conferences where she was bawling and crying her eyes out, now watching them again makes my stomach turn....now they seem transparent and self-serving.

DB is the type that will admit to nothing until she is caught.

My point IS....How do WE know what she told LE? Is there a transcript that has been released? Has LE made a statement about what she told them? This is what she told media....but do we know what she told cops? I don't think that has been released yet. As far as I'm concerned, until then the statements "she lied to cops about such and such" is rumor. When LE tells us otherwise then I will listen. Just tired of the rumor-mill here. I asked the poster to provide a link for a released statement/video and that hasn't happened yet.:twocents:

 

[Tuffy]

What do you mean?

It's a fact that she did mention being drunk in her original statements to media.

One would just have to look at her original statements to confirm. I wasn't claiming that they were omitted from her original statements to LE. That I don't know! HTH!

Wait...you're saying that in her original statements to the media she mentioned that she was drunk? I thought that came out later.

 

[BritsKate]

Wait...you're saying that in her original statements to the media she mentioned that she was drunk? I thought that came out later.

It did. October 17th according to Shelby's awesome timeline. Megyn Kelly interview.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150977"]Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[annalia]

My point IS....How do WE know what she told LE? Is there a transcript that has been released? Has LE made a statement about what she told them? This is what she told media....but do we know what she told cops? I don't think that has been released yet. As far as I'm concerned, until then the statements "she lied to cops about such and such" is rumor. When LE tells us otherwise then I will listen. Just tired of the rumor-mill here. I asked the poster to provide a link for a released statement/video and that hasn't happened yet.:twocents:

IIRC, there was a statement from LE after she changed her story in the media.

I can't remember exactly but paraphrasing, LE said something about a new timeline that they have now, as if they had not been aware of it prior to what DB said in the interview. Maybe someone else can remember exactly what they said or has the link.

 

[justbetweenus]

Or mistaken. Or the borrowed phone could call and when she said that they were restricted she was talking about their phones because LE showed her pings from HER phone. We could be comparing words about X to facts about Y.

When you're getting snippets it's not always as clear as it seems.

I'm checking to see if there are more confirmed and not presumed cases of lying.

There are certainly MANY MANY red flags, no doubt. Hesitant to make assumptions when media has been so half hazard with everyone and everything involved.

BBM: exactly what I thought. Sometimes we can be very narrow minded when we strongly believe in guilt, that we only read things that fit to our conclusions.

 

[Karmaa]

I'd really love to know how that's possible, given they still haven't been re-interviewed while LE has repeatedly stated that they need answers only the parents can provide.

SBM There may be a misunderstanding about "interview" and "answering questions". From what ALL of the family spokespeople have indicated (and I think somewhat confirmed by LE) the family has been talking to LE, and has been answering questions.

An interview is a specific thing. It involves placing the person into a room, and removing them from their comfort zone, from their access to the outside world and putting them at the mercy of whoever is asking the questions, no matter how offensive or horrifying the questions are.

I would not do an interview either. They did one, and they saw how that turned out (accusations of murder, etc). If they were my relatives I would have told them to never set foot in the interview room, and to get a lawyer pronto. And their lawyer would have agreed with me 100%.

Let me tell you something that any good defense atty will tell you. There is absolutely nothing good that can come (for the interviewee)from an interview. Nothing.

 

[Karmaa]

I certainly respect your right to disagree, but as a mother I cannot understand putting your own interests before finding your missing baby. And IMO, that's precisely what DB is doing.

She should have come clean with the facts about her alcohol consumption immediately, but instead she complained of LE's accusations that she could not fill in the missing gaps in her story. Well, if we are to believe her revised account, then it's no wonder LE found discrepancies in her timeline.

No, I'm not in her shoes, but there's no way I would just give up if I thought my child was out there - lost, hurt, scared, kidnapped, whatever!

If I truly thought that someone had kidnapped and or killed my child, then I would never give up until the person responsible had been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Sorry, but I just don't see any real effort from these parents to find their child. It's all about CYA.

Try to look at this from a different perspective. Debbie has two other children besides Lisa. Of course, at first, all energy had to be focused on finding Lisa. But Debbie has to think of the boys too. What if she were to be wrongly charged and convicted of murdering her baby? What would happen to the boys?

Now, assume that she is 100% innocent. What could she do? How do you balance the needs of one child with the needs of two others? What is best for the whole family, not just Debbie?

I'm just saying. We don't know what she is feeling or thinking, and we don't know if she is guilty or innocent. But we should be able to see that what we THINK we would do in her situation may not be what we actually could or would do once the reality of the situation became clear.

 

[Donjeta]

Let me tell you something that any good defense atty will tell you. There is absolutely nothing good that can come (for the interviewee)from an interview. Nothing.

Not even if you know something that may help them find your missing baby?

 

[SilkySifaka]

Not even if you know something that may help them find your missing baby?

They did submit to hours of questioning though. It was only once LE started telling them they killed Lisa or were involved that the cooperation stopped.

IMO there would be no point in cooperating further if that was the sole focus of the interviews at that stage. It can't help find Lisa bc I (DB and JI) am innocent so all that is doing is taking detectives off the search for the baby because they are hammering me as the suspect.

Really the tack they took by saying no more of this, makes sense to me. They are talking to LE and answering questions that aren't accusatory but refuse to be sat down for more questions that only focus on them as the suspect. That doesn't help find the baby! Not from their point of view as innocent.

It might from an outsiders pov, hoping one or both break but that isn't the perspective of the parent.

 

[stilettos]

Try to look at this from a different perspective. Debbie has two other children besides Lisa. Of course, at first, all energy had to be focused on finding Lisa. But Debbie has to think of the boys too. What if she were to be wrongly charged and convicted of murdering her baby? What would happen to the boys?

Now, assume that she is 100% innocent. What could she do? How do you balance the needs of one child with the needs of two others? What is best for the whole family, not just Debbie?

I'm just saying. We don't know what she is feeling or thinking, and we don't know if she is guilty or innocent. But we should be able to see that what we THINK we would do in her situation may not be what we actually could or would do once the reality of the situation became clear.

I really don't care about what I think I would do in her place...I would hope that I would do the right thing...which is answer each and every question LE has truthfully...and if I didn't I would deserve the scorn of the Nation. Here's how you balance out the issue..which child might be in pain, suffering, cold, hungry and being abused...that is the child that needs you the most as they are in crisis. Take your attorney and get your butt in the chair and truthfully answer the questions...even if it's for the umpteenth time and even if they are adversarial. The truth is the truth is the truth...TELL IT!