10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[Tuffy]

Another was Jerry Hobbs (also now free because DNA linked to a suspect in other crimes).

He was not convicted of killing his child.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/jerry-hobbs-cleared-dad-c_n_670291.html

There are lots of them. In fact, many people are not aware that Mark Lunsford was the primary suspect in Jessica's murder before Coohey was found.

Public sentiment back then was that there was no doubt that he did it, and hang him! Hang him High! It was even worse than what these parents are going through towards the end. Now, of course, Mark is a respected child advocate, but ask HIM what it feels like to be the target of a virtual lynch mob.

Mark Lunsford was maybe a suspect, but not convicted of killing his child.

 

[Karmaa]

I don't know if the parents hurt Lisa or if Lisa was abducted by another relative, a stranger, some random kidnapping... I don't know that.

But as a mother and a grandmother I ponder this in every case of a missing child. What would I do? Is my life out of jail more important (if LE makes a mistake)? Or is that innocent baby's life the most important thing to me.

I wouldn't care. I know I would rot in jail the rest of my life if some corrupt cop wanted to try to pin it on me. The truth will win out. Whether they are guilty or innocent. Lawyers will work their skills after the fact if I were accused and innocent is my motto.

But the fundamental mothering instincts that I have would force me to tell LE everything. Whether I smoked a joint, whether I slept with two clowns and a ventriloquist during the period my baby was abducts. I'd tell them what I ate, how many times I used the rest room, I'd tell them who called, who stepped foot in the house and what I watched on TV. If I drank a gallon of scotch I'd tell them that too.

Because my baby if I didn't do that is in need, great serious need of being found.

This is not about the parents. Guilty or Innocent or anything in between. Their baby is missing. If she is alive they need to rescue her. I see that as the most fundamental of all maternal instincts.

I do not believe they are looking for a confession. They are looking for the truth..... the truth about what happened that night. Retracing their steps. Who was in that house, who might want to harm them or their child. Who in their circle of friends or family are capable of hurting them this way.

The changed 3x story that has been told is not making sense. MOO

I understand what you are saying, and I agree completely from the perspective of a mother. But I believe that the parents did tell the truth to LE. I am not even sure that the actually LIED to the media - I think that the media made a lot of assumptions, and I think the parents were too shell-shocked to even notice. Until LE tells us differently, I will assume that the parents did tell the truth.

I think they are naive and simple people. I think that they believed that if they came out and told the truth to the world, that everyone would believe them. Can you ever remember any other case, ever, where most of the negative publicity about a family came from the family themselves? I have never.

Anyway, they went willingly into an "interview" with LE, and they were accused and treated like murderers. I do not blame them one bit for not wanting to do that again. That is not going to help find their baby - the only purpose of that is to try and squeeze a confession from one or the other of them.

 

[Tuffy]

Thanks for putting it into perspective. A tough question is a tough question whether it is asked in your own living room or in a interrogation room at the police station. Do the police believe that they will get "better" results from their own room?

I think doing one on one interviews would get much more honest answers than questioning them as a couple. As another poster mentioned there may be secrets between them, that could interfere with getting answers.

Affairs, and addictions could be at issue, or even just things that might be embarrassing to talk about in front of your girlfriend/boyfriend.

 

[SuziQ]

Five years in prison and you might as well have been convicted.

 

[Karmaa]

Kevin Fox was not convicted of killing his child though. He also didn't have an attorney present during questioning. I also don't think the police were proven to have coerced a confession from him.

http://truthinjustice.org/kevin-fox.htm

DB and JI have an attorney, and IMO no reason not to cooperate with the investigation.

The question was "accused". And, yes, the police were proven to have coerced a confession. Kevin won an $15.5 million award at trial.

 

[Karmaa]

BBM:

I don't think that they've been told that they can't have their attorney present during questioning.

That is what "unrestricted? means.

 

[stg]

He was not convicted of killing his child.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/jerry-hobbs-cleared-dad-c_n_670291.html



Mark Lunsford was maybe a suspect, but not convicted of killing his child.

Sorry, I was reading too quickly and missed the convicted part. Thought we were just discussing people charged after false confessions. The Hobbs murder took place 25 minutes from me.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think doing one on one interviews would get much more honest answers than questioning them as a couple. As another poster mentioned there may be secrets between them, that could interfere with getting answers.

Affairs, and addictions could be at issue, or even just things that might be embarrassing to talk about in front of your girlfriend/boyfriend.

Would it be fair to do this at neutral location?

 

[Karmaa]

He was not convicted of killing his child.

Mark Lunsford was maybe a suspect, but not convicted of killing his child.

1. The original question was about "accused"
2. The point is whether or not completely, totally innocent parents are ever accused of killing their own children. The list is very long.

 

[grandmaj]

Marc Klaas will be the first to tell us all that the parents will always be the first looked at and that they have to clear themselves at any cost. I can't believe that LE wants to pin this on innocent parents. Something is is not ringing true to LE. Again maybe not guilty themselves but perhaps protecting someone else, friend, family or someone they fear? I don't know.

What I do know is Lisa is out there and if she was abducted LE needs to be pushed in the right direction...... they need help.

The other case that immediately comes to mind is the Haleigh Cummings case where it was 2 families pointing fingers at each other. And she has not been found almost 3 years later.

 

[Karmaa]

Sorry, I was reading too quickly and missed the convicted part. Thought we were just discussing people charged after false confessions. The Hobbs murder took place 25 minutes from me.

You were right - the original discussion was about "accused".

 

[scmom]

I'm just waiting for the DB/JI defense team to bring the kidnapper to justice.

 

[MissJames]

I certainly respect your right to disagree, but as a mother I cannot understand putting your own interests before finding your missing baby. And IMO, that's precisely what DB is doing.

She should have come clean with the facts about her alcohol consumption immediately, but instead she complained of LE's accusations that she could not fill in the missing gaps in her story. Well, if we are to believe her revised account, then it's no wonder LE found discrepancies in her timeline.

No, I'm not in her shoes, but there's no way I would just give up if I thought my child was out there - lost, hurt, scared, kidnapped, whatever!

If I truly thought that someone had kidnapped and or killed my child, then I would never give up until the person responsible had been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Sorry, but I just don't see any real effort from these parents to find their child. It's all about CYA.

I agree,Velouria. I would find help from agencies for missing children,from the media ,my local and state politicians,churches and synagogues,etc. I can't imagine just giving up and assuming my baby was dead.
Plenty of parents,like Tim Miller ,have been told their child is probably just a runaway. That doesn't stop them from finding other ways to search.

 

[Tuffy]

Would it be fair to do this at neutral location?

I doubt it matters where the questions are asked.

 

[Karmaa]

Marc Klaas will be the first to tell us all that the parents will always be the first looked at and that they have to clear themselves at any cost. I can't believe that LE wants to pin this on innocent parents. Something is is not ringing true to LE. Again maybe not guilty themselves but perhaps protecting someone else, friend, family or someone they fear? I don't know.

What I do know is Lisa is out there and if she was abducted LE needs to be pushed in the right direction...... they need help.

The other case that immediately comes to mind is the Haleigh Cummings case where it was 2 families pointing fingers at each other. And she has not been found almost 3 years later.

I respect Marc Klaas, but he was never a suspect in Polly's murder. He never sat in the hot seat while trying to grieve.

Debbie and Jeremy said that they understood completely why LE needed to question them. They even said after LE tried to trick a confession out of them, that they understood why they did it.

But at some point, when you realize that LE is not going to stop haranguing you, and that they are no longer asking questions to help find Lisa, but are only asking questions to try and implicate you, you have to stop. It would be foolish to continue.

 

[grandmaj]

I respect Marc Klaas, but he was never a suspect in Polly's murder. He never sat in the hot seat while trying to grieve.

Debbie and Jeremy said that they understood completely why LE needed to question them. They even said after LE tried to trick a confession out of them, that they understood why they did it.

But at some point, when you realize that LE is not going to stop haranguing you, and that they are no longer asking questions to help find Lisa, but are only asking questions to try and implicate you, you have to stop. It would be foolish to continue.

But if they are innocent right? If they are innocent why not just suck it up and push back and answer all the questions?

Their baby daughter is missing. How is this helping Baby Lisa? Putting up stubborn fronts. Sure their feelings are hurt and they probably don't get it totally.

But the best chance at saving the life of their daughter is them. Lisa's Parents. Only they can reach down and tell about their lives so that LE can go out and find people they might not now know about. xoxoxoxo

 

[AngelWings444]

Depends on what you call cooperating. My understanding is that the parents are answering questions, but refuse to do so under LE's terms. They were separated before and were accused and heard their partner accused. And yes, LE did try to turn them against each other. If Lisa was kidnapped how will that help?

Then, the parents are NOT cooperating with LE, period. If they are not answering the question put before them by LE, not being interviewed again, and separate, they are not cooperating with the investigation. I'm SURE tons of things have come out since their little 11 hour interview, witnesses, calls, info, questions, that need to be followed up on to FIND LISA. The parent's and their attorney's are having none of it. WHY? There is no logical conclusion other than poor advice or guilty as sin. In addition, DB and her "camp" state LE was mean to them, accused them etc, doesn't mean it's so.

There is a missing baby. I don't understand why everyone is cutting them so much slack, when every detail they have given to the media has changed. There are just not THAT many excuses, I mean, coincidence's. :innocent: Yet, LE, who is trying to find a missing child, isn't given one benefit of the doubt in this investigation. It truly puzzles me.

My post is not directed at you. JMO.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

For the most part, I don't believe so....but it does happen. I just posted about a case in San Diego that I followed closely:

police illegally coerced false confessions from Michael Crowe, Stephanie’s older brother, and his friends Aaron Houser and Joshua Treadway.

13 years later Michael Crowe is still waiting for his day in court (10/31/11).

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_3d253ec5-f68a-589d-b8a6-42c56dd82cae.html

So, yes, it happens...and it's not pretty.

MOO

Mel

Indeed, that case seems damn awful. But as you say, it is a rarity. Didn't they have lawyers present or weren't the interviews video or audio taped?

Here is a idea for this case:

Let's for a minute say LE did accuse DB of knowing what happened to Lisa and that DB is completely innocent.

I would be p'd off but would get a lawyer to sit in on the interview and I would still answer all questions I could whether the lawyer Advised me to or not.

Would the above be a reasonable compromise to the current stalemate? I don't see why not.

 

[Abby Normal]

I don't know if the parents hurt Lisa or if Lisa was abducted by another relative, a stranger, some random kidnapping... I don't know that.

But as a mother and a grandmother I ponder this in every case of a missing child. What would I do? Is my life out of jail more important (if LE makes a mistake)? Or is that innocent baby's life the most important thing to me.

I wouldn't care. I know I would rot in jail the rest of my life if some corrupt cop wanted to try to pin it on me. The truth will win out. Whether they are guilty or innocent. Lawyers will work their skills after the fact if I were accused and innocent is my motto.

But the fundamental mothering instincts that I have would force me to tell LE everything. Whether I smoked a joint, whether I slept with two clowns and a ventriloquist during the period my baby was abducted. I'd tell them what I ate, how many times I used the rest room, I'd tell them who called, who stepped foot in the house and what I watched on TV. If I drank a gallon of scotch I'd tell them that too.

Because my baby if I didn't do that is in need, great serious need of being found.

This is not about the parents. Guilty or Innocent or anything in between. Their baby is missing. If she is alive they need to rescue her. I see that as the most fundamental of all maternal instincts.

I do not believe they are looking for a confession. They are looking for the truth..... the truth about what happened that night. Retracing their steps. Who was in that house, who might want to harm them or their child. Who in their circle of friends or family are capable of hurting them this way.

The changed 3x story that has been told is not making sense. MOO

Do you have multiple kids? Reflecting on it as someone who has other kids at home (and nobody I trust to care for them, literally) I find myself much more conflicted while contemplating this.

Ultimately, I do think I agree- I would risk it all for my child, because she could be hurting and that hurts me. But there is a voice in my head that says "all of your children will lose you and your love if you go to jail" kwim?

 

[deoneta]

BBM Can you provide a link please? I am not being snarky. I am curious, because I haven't seen that yet. Thanks

I heard this attributed to Captain Young on one of the fox news updates so I am sorry I can't provide a link. I heard the same thing on subsequent update which was just a rehash of the original update. I didn't hear it directlly from the Captain and since it was not an interview or anything I saw on JJP or MK's segments, I doubt there is a video link to be found. I can only say that it's based on my memory so it's MOO.