100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

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  • #661
Matt may have turned States Witness and we don't know it yet.. Anyone heard from him?

He may also have taken a lie detector test and he is telling the truth, he never knew about any Pedo story.. And he might rat her out on a lot of things and back it up by passing a lie detector test
 
  • #662
When I saw the statement on a big screen monitor, the Priceline charge is not a negative. It's a blue sort of squiggly hand marked pen mark. No doubt here.
 
  • #663
Yes! She saved thirty cents a gallon but it allows Juan to catch her lying and prove premed! She put everything on debit too, didn't even care cause she wasn't in AZ.

Cost her a lot in the long run eh?
 
  • #664
I am catching up on testimony from earlier today, I can't stand listening to Nurmi and the defendant without some background music.
Song playing right now Marilyn Manson - You Spin Me Right Around. :guitar::panic::lol:
 
  • #665
For the kids, I work with the issue started from 0-3. Neglect, abuse, abandonment did something to break the caregiver-child bond that taught the child not to trust anyone. This can be from serious sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and neglect. Or, in some cases, if the child has to be medically separated from the mother at the hospital or the child goes through painful procedures after birth. Basically, anything that disrupts the normal bonding to the extent that the child learns that it is actually harmful to bond.

For instance, a child may learn that they get hurt when they cry (for food, diaper change, etc.) So, they learn NOT to cry. They learn their own form of survival. They learn not to trust.

With my group, we are focused on attachment disorder - something that so disrupted the bond between 0-3 that NOT BONDING became the status quo, a feeling of safety for the child. If something happens after a child has a meaningful bond, the child can form a bond with another caregiver. But, if something happens to the original bond and the child learns to fear bonding, it is very difficult to undo that in later years. That first bond is so important.

I am sure that mental illness can attribute to a child's failure to bond. I know that environment can. In the cases with my adoptive families, there is often a significant history of neglect or abuse which taught a child not to bond. And, just to be clear, some of these things are not the original caregiver's fault. Maternal depression may hurt a bond, medical issues which prevent a caregiver from being available, being moved from caregiver to caregiver, etc.

I can't say enough about your insight . I have learned a lot. Thank you so so much. In your opinion , what made Jodi have the detachment that she obviously does?
 
  • #666
That back/forth video that DD just put up is PERFECT!!

She took Travis' story and wove it into her 2 ninjas story! Juan has to use something similar to this...it is so effective!

:rocker:

Why can't he? They have more than opened the door to show the jury who the real villain is in this case.

If the defense can put TA on trial by getting video to show him at a shooting range when HE was the one shot and slaughtered while his killer lacked injuries even close to a self defense claim!

That tape shows he treated her well in PUBLIC.

I think the defendant might want to re-think that video from his Travis's friend. Things are looking bad enough. They show it they might just be tipping one juror who won't vote DP to make that leap?
 
  • #667
Ok I'm behind. But why is the third gas can so important?
 
  • #668
Just from this incomplete screenshot, the total comes to just under $830.00. Has it been verified that JA was working at the time?

I'm just enjoying the glow of today and letting my mind wander a little. :) I'm still curious about her income. She seemed to be able to spend and travel frequently - yet she always complains of not being able to afford things (except for Starbucks, manicures, etc.).

If you believe her :waitasec:

She said she couldn't afford the GPS option,
She traveled a considerable distance to rent a car at a low price
She couldn't afford a weapon (to Det. Flores) but bought a .9mm
She lived (rent free?) with her grandparents... Why, I wonder? To save $$ or because she couldn't afford rent anywhere?

Granted $800+ bucks is not a lot to some, but JA was (from what I can tell) a part-time, sporadic waitress/server...

It's curious.
 
  • #669
So Jodi tells Matt about the pedophilia. How does that fit in with not telling anyone negative things about TA? But she also told other people (was it a psychologist or her lawyers?) in 2009, but then she says it took her a long time to decide to divulge this info. Which is it, Jodi?

Exactly (she contradicts that same theme regularly) and Juan kinda chuckled to himself over that one, making the inference that Matt was the one she was in cahoots with to lie for her.
 
  • #670
You know...I have to say that it was interesting the way he posed the question to Jodi. If my memory serves me correctly he said something like "Would it surprise you that Walmart doesn't have any record of you returning anything on that day?" - paraphrasing there, but he didn't say definitively that he actually had contacted Walmart. Just something that made pause and wonder if he was bluffing.

He could have been bluffing since the receipt which was recovered didn't indicate a return/refund on it, per Walmart policy to cross out the item being returned.

Good move, Juan!

:D
 
  • #671
About the salt lake receipts.... Jodi can't come up with snacks or other items, all three specified gasoline and price per gallon .. Just sayin
 
  • #672
The friend that was on Dr Drew show tonight talked about Travis' frustration with Jodi. He said that when he went to pick Travis up for a business appt Travis was not ready, which was totally out of character. Travis started explaining his lateness and his frustration with her, something had obviously just happened, and then threw his phone across the room...

Oh heck, the DT is going to be ALL over that one...

(the phone-throwing part, that is)
 
  • #673
A friend of Travis' on Dr Drew just said Travis would come home from dates and find Jodi in his closet.

If I ever came home and found her in my closet I would change my locks and board up the doggy door.

Seriously, that is way too creepy.

JMO
At first its hard to understand why Travis wouldnt just kick her to the curb.
But when you realize that she was providing steady sex to him it is not that surprising or hard to understand. All signs indicate that he may have never had a girlfriend that was so willing to have sex as Jodi was.

If we all think back to our first relationship where sex was a big part of it, we realize that we didnt want to let that go. Even if we knew we probably would never get married, we hung onto the relationship for fear of never finding someone else so willing.

So even when she did crazy things such as slashing tires and hiding in closets, I think he was putting up with it for the fringe benefits. It was only when he realized that it wasnt worth the mental anguish that he started to realize he needed to get away.

Unfortunately he had this realization way too late in the relationship. It is such a sad sad story.

It was an unhealthy relationship for both of them that was doomed for failure because sex was the only thing keeping it together. That never works long term. There has to be true mutual love which was not present there.
 
  • #674
The hard drive on her computer was mysteriously damaged. :furious:

......:thud:



I've been wanting this info for a long time. Thanks Pens!

:needdrink:
 
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  • #676
WOW, maybe she had paid for a ticket to cancun but changed her mind after she killed Travis ??

I did a quick check of the nearest airports to Yreka, CA to Mesa, AZ to see the price for tickets and they were like 220-300-ish, so very much similar to the price on her credit card statement.
I also did a check of plane tickets from the nearest airport to Mesa, AZ to Cancun and the tickets were expensive, $600+. I assume the flight would have left from Arizona if she had gotten a ticket to go. I know the prices could be slightly different from 2008 but not *THAT* different, I don't think the ticket was to Cancun; it was more likely to TA's memorial service.
MOO :moo:
 
  • #677
Boy oh boy, if MM is eyeball deep in this and thinks he'll come out unscathed, he is one dumb sausage. :banghead:
 
  • #678
About the salt lake receipts.... Jodi can't come up with snacks or other items, all three specified gasoline and price per gallon .. Just sayin

One of the transactions from her bank statement did not have a receipt to go along with it, so there's nothing yet to indicate whether it was a gas purchase or something else.
 
  • #679
For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

Thank you. I was in Foster Care Review Board meetings all day and know exactly what you're talking about. :blowkiss:
 
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