11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[cityslick]

Has LE said that the parents have been cleared as suspects, and-or they've moved on away from the parents?

Because I'm pretty sure that LE also said that Jersey and the male neighbor weren't suspects either, and they added that they've moved on. Yet for some reason it doesn't matter what LE says in those cases, then it just means that LE isn't being truthful, or that it doesn't matter because LE hasn't actually come out and said they were officially cleared.

LE has said they are not suspects, which I guess you can take as 'cleared' at this time.

Anyway, this is an OT discussion and nothing to do with the prayer vigil.

 

[Donjeta]

LE has said though they are not suspects.

LE has also said he wouldn't define the parents as 'uncooperative'.

LE has said no one has been ruled out

LE has said they are following up on all tips.

So, why can't we just accept all 4 statements above as the truth instead of only believing the last two statements?

Sure, no one is a suspect, and no one has been ruled out. What a sad statement if true. It means they're getting nowhere fast in the investigation.
I hope it is LE speak for they're not willing to show their cards yet. But it could be they have no cards.

The statement about the parents not being uncooperative sounded to me like they realized it was a bad tactical move to give the quick presser about it because it made them even more uncooperative.
If they're not talking to the police they're not perfectly cooperative by my standards but that's just me. They did allow the boys being interviewed after a lot of stalling so that's a cooperation bonus point.

They should be following on all tips. I hope.

Regarding the prayer vigil, if it's just the place the parents object to because it's upsetting to the boys, I don't see why it needs to be called the last prayer vigil. Why not just say that the nextv vigil will be somewhere else.

 

[annalia]

LE has said they are not suspects, which I guess you can take as 'cleared' at this time.

Anyway, this is an OT discussion and nothing to do with the prayer vigil.

Then we should give the same consideration to jersey and the male neighbor and quit discussing them as if they're possible suspects?

 

[Marshmallow]

it is the parents right to ask that people nt pray for Lisa, it is their right to move on with thier lives. I do not understand either but it is their right and their rights are said to be what matter in this case.

 

[cityslick]

Sure, no one is a suspect, and no one has been ruled out. What a sad statement if true. It means they're getting nowhere fast in the investigation.
I hope it is LE speak for they're not willing to show their cards yet. But it could be they have no cards.

The statement about the parents not being uncooperative sounded to me like they realized it was a bad tactical move to give the quick presser about it because it made them even more uncooperative.
If they're not talking to the police they're not perfectly cooperative by my standards but that's just me. They did allow the boys being interviewed after a lot of stalling so that's a cooperation bonus point.

They should be following on all tips. I hope.

Regarding the prayer vigil, if it's just the place the parents object to because it's upsetting to the boys, I don't see why it needs to be called the last prayer vigil. Why not just say that the nextv vigil will be somewhere else.

BBM

I get your point, my only assumption would be the parents themselves are not the ones organizing it.

 

[cityslick]

Then we should give the same consideration to jersey and the male neighbor and quit discussing them as if they're possible suspects?

I agree with you.

 

[Kavya01]

it is the parents right to ask that people nt pray for Lisa, it is their right to move on with thier lives. I do not understand either but it is their right and their rights are said to be what matter in this case.

I just wish their were rights for everyone. Poor Lisa had none and could not do a thing about it.
I am a firm believer in how rights become a privilege AFTER one has fulfilled all their responsibilities first.

IMHO, the responsibilities part has barely started, or most likely already failed.
Personally cannot be bothered with the parent's rights just yet.

 

[cityslick]

it is the parents right to ask that people nt pray for Lisa, it is their right to move on with thier lives. I do not understand either but it is their right and their rights are said to be what matter in this case.

That is not what was said by the parents.

 

[deoneta]

That's a pretty direct quote, and pretty clear that it came from LE, whether they told US or not.

"...Jeremy and Debbie, according to the KCPD and the FBI are not suspects”

Not "they have not been called suspects", but "they are not suspects". I suppose Picerno could be lying, but it sure would be embarrassing to him if it turned out to be a lie.

Tacopina would disagree I guess.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...arents-are-now-supsects-in-her-disappearance/

 

[Karmaa]

it is the parents right to ask that people nt pray for Lisa, it is their right to move on with thier lives. I do not understand either but it is their right and their rights are said to be what matter in this case.

You are absolutely right. It is the parent's right to ask people to not pray. They haven't said that, but they have every right to do so.

It is their right to move on with their lives. They have two other children who are ALIVE, and have the right to live as normally as possible.

The parent's rights matter. So do the boys rights and Lisa's right to be found. It's not either/or. Everyone has rights and they all need to be considered. If the parent's have chosen to exercise their right to move on for the sake of their boys, it doesn't mean they are giving up Lisa's rights to be found.

 

[Karmaa]

Tacopina would disagree I guess.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...arents-are-now-supsects-in-her-disappearance/

I guess things have changed in the two weeks between your article and the new one.

 

[curvecuti]

I guess things have changed in the two weeks between your article and the new one.

Yeah, the spin about why they need lawyers has been spun. So now they need spin to take the suspicion off the parents. So they spin it the other way. Pathetic.

 

[deoneta]

I guess things have changed in the two weeks between your article and the new one.

I hope so. Maybe they will come in for interviews now.

 

[prayers4missing]

At the request of DB, this will be the last prayer vigil.

I am saddened by this. I can't imagine any parent requesting that no prayer vigils be held in honor of their "missing" child. :anguish::anguish:

Thank you Edith for all you have done.

 

[annalia]

Tacopina would disagree I guess.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...arents-are-now-supsects-in-her-disappearance/

It depends on the day and which side of the DA mouths they're speaking out of.

When JT/JP want to bash LE and make excuses for why the poor parents just can't cooperate, then it was they are suspects, especially DB.

But when they're speaking about JI's ex who is looking for custody, then the defense attorney needs to make them appear as parents of the year, with a different claim that they're not even considered suspects. In other words, in the other artcile, there's no reason for this mother to be given custody when JI/DB aren't considered suspects.

They're transparent and it's pretty obvious how their stance changes according to whatever way the spin is spinning.

JMHO

 

[justamommy]

Tacopina would disagree I guess.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...arents-are-now-supsects-in-her-disappearance/

Respectfully, we don't know what has developed between 11/11 and 11/28. I am hoping LE/FBI has alot more info than we do. I hope and pray Lisa is found soon.

As far as the prayer vigil... I think this has more to do w/ custody battle than anything else. I'm sure Lisa's family doesn't want people to quit praying. They just can't have these vigils in their front yard everyday. JI has to prove that his son's life is as normal as possible under the circumstances. imo I agree that Lisa missing is a substantial change in the boy's life, however JI has to get things back to as normal as he can. JMO :twocents:

“They have to prove that there are changed circumstances of a continuing and substantial nature,” John Picerno says.

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/28/custody-battle-for-jeremy-irwins-son-moves-forward/

 

[not_my_kids]

That's a pretty direct quote, and pretty clear that it came from LE, whether they told US or not.

"...Jeremy and Debbie, according to the KCPD and the FBI are not suspects”

Not "they have not been called suspects", but "they are not suspects". I suppose Picerno could be lying, but it sure would be embarrassing to him if it turned out to be a lie.

A direct quote from their attorney means jack diddly squat to me. Let's hear it from the FBI or KCPD themselves. Until then, lawyers will do what lawyers do: spin, spin, spin.

 

[not_my_kids]

I understand that they need to get back to a sense of normalcy (as if anyone could), but that doesn't mean that you say, "No more vigils." Ask for them to be held somewhere else, ask that people continue to pray, even go a little nuts and scream at God for not bringing your baby home yet. What an innocent parent doesn't do is say, "Okay, it's been nearly 60 days, time to get back to the daily routine. Please stop asking God to help find our child." They need to focus on normalcy, but also on an appearance of innocence. This does not give that appearance, IMO.

 

[cityslick]

A direct quote from their attorney means jack diddly squat to me. Let's hear it from the FBI or KCPD themselves. Until then, lawyers will do what lawyers do: spin, spin, spin.

How many times does LE have to say 'there are no suspects' until we believe there are no suspects?

 

[prayers4missing]

I understand that they need to get back to a sense of normalcy (as if anyone could), but that doesn't mean that you say, "No more vigils." Ask for them to be held somewhere else, ask that people continue to pray, even go a little nuts and scream at God for not bringing your baby home yet. What an innocent parent doesn't do is say, "Okay, it's been nearly 60 days, time to get back to the daily routine. Please stop asking God to help find our child." They need to focus on normalcy, but also on an appearance of innocence. This does not give that appearance, IMO.

Thanks wasn't enough! This is exactly it! When your infant goes missing, life never gets back to normal, you get a new normal, but I would think you would still want to keep your missing child in the forefront of everyone's mind.

I can't begin to understand what these parents are thinking. :waitasec: