11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[cityslick]

Who is keeping Lisa in the media? Her parents aren't. If they are innocent then it is their responsibility to keep her face and name out there until she is found. IMO DB being in front of the camera's was not about Lisa because DB was making it about herself. DB has done this to herself, MOO. On what day 4, she was in front of the camera crying about how wrongly she was being treated by LE, not about how devastated she is because her daughter is gone. MOO

There is some requirement by parents of missing children to keep them 'in the media'? How many missing children do you know that go missing every single day are 'kept in the media'?

 

[prayers4missing]

Actually there have been quite a few around here that stay in the media. When Heather Kilorn went missing her family were posting flyers and keeping her picture in the media for years, (in fact there are still fylers posted in her neighborhood. I already mentioned the Hornbecks, Christian Ferguson, etc.

I'm not saying they need to be in the media "every single day", but when was the last time DB or JI talked to pleaded for Lisa's return?

It's not a "requirement", but if you child is really kidnapped wouldn't one of the most important thing to do be keep a picture in the public's mind? How is anybody going to look for her if no one is putting her face out there?

 

[indepmo]

Even though it was at the Walrond address not Lister, if you listen to WS radio you will hear Spellman telling a story about her sitting on the porch and he walked up and said hi, she didnt want to talk etc. It's in one of the archives

 

[cityslick]

Actually there have been quite a few around here that stay in the media. When Heather Kilorn went missing her family were posting flyers and keeping her picture in the media for years, (in fact there are still fylers posted in her neighborhood. I already mentioned the Hornbecks, Christian Ferguson, etc.

I'm not saying they need to be in the media "every single day", but when was the last time DB or JI talked to pleaded for Lisa's return?

It's not a "requirement", but if you child is really kidnapped wouldn't one of the most important thing to do be keep a picture in the public's mind? How is anybody going to look for her if no one is putting her face out there?

I ask again, why is going in front of a camera pleading for their daughter some sort of requirement? Do all parents of missing children do this, months after the child went missing? I'm not talking about high profile cases, I'm talking all cases.

 

[yllek]

BBM

Are those statements being attributed to DB or to the lawyer? I don't think DB herself made those statements (as opposed to this story where is says 'DB says no more prayer vigils')

1. Debbi made the comment about God to Dan Abrahams directly in the GMA interview of 10/17.

2. Cyndi Short recounted her day-earlier discussion with Debbi about wanting to send the boys to Caholic School to KMBC on 10/25. Unless Cyndi for some reason lied in attempt to make Debbi look like a more devoted or conservative parent than Cyndi considered to her to be, I see no reason for Ms. Short to lie about a direct conversation she had with her client.

JMO...

 

[prayers4missing]

Now how would I know about "all" cases? As I said no it's not a "requirement", but why is it a bad thing to do? The best thing IMO you can do is keep your child's face out there. It's been less than 2 months and DB/JI can't be bothered.

 

[cityslick]

1. Debbi made the comment about God to Dan Abrahams directly in the GMA interview of 10/17.

2. Cyndi Short recounted her day-earlier discussion with Debbi about wanting to send the boys to Caholic School to KMBC on 10/25. Unless Cyndi for some reason lied in attempt to make Debbi look like a more devoted or conservative parent than Cyndi considered to her to be, I see no reason for Ms. Short to lie about a direct conversation she had with her client.

JMO...

I was referring to the bolded part about 'getting back to normal'.

 

[nursebeeme]

As noted Saturday, Edith Fine will be holding a prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin at the home of DB and JI.

Just passing along what Edith has said here:
At the request of DB, this will be the last prayer vigil.

The vigil will be held at 7pm

bumping up the OP: if you want to discuss other topics spread out to the appropriate thread.

 

[Sparklin]

I agree. I think the justice system needs serious change. There's way too much coddling of the guilty, and too little done for victims. Casey Anthony is guilty, yet she was found not guilty, and I blame the justice system.

It always seem to come back to Casey Anthony and how upset people are that she got away with 'allegedly' killing her daughter. It's a large brush that I see people painting with and that is sometimes very, very messy. JMO

Not sure who is coddling anyone guilty in this case though.

 

[cityslick]

Now how would I know about "all" cases? As I said no it's not a "requirement", but why is it a bad thing to do? The best thing IMO you can do is keep your child's face out there. It's been less than 2 months and DB/JI can't be bothered.

IDK, they obviously are trying to be private. If they were in front of the cameras all the time, those that think they are guilty would think it's an act anyway.

 

[prayers4missing]

I also wanted to add that the Hornbeck, Killorn and Ferguson case didn't all start out as "high profile cases", and yet their families choose to keep the public aware of these children.

 

[justamommy]

Why does the fact that the parents are asking for prayer vigils to stop=forgetting about the child. Every time DB has went in front of camera's the story stops being about baby Lisa and about her. look at the threads here, people are more into tearing apart the mother then finding the child. There is no reason given has to why the vigils stopped, maybe the neighborhood was complaining. Maybe all the people around on a regular basis was stopping others from having their privacy. Maybe neighbors want to live their lives. I can see so many reasons why they would ask people to stop coming into their front yard on a regular basis. It isn't like they stopped people from looking for her, they just want to live in peace. If they are in mourning they may want to do that in peace also. Their child is gone, they have been thrown to the wolves, they probable want to be left alone to get there heads together. Not everyone reaches out to others not everyone wants tons of strangers around them. Maybe they don't know what to do or where to turn. When they turned to the media for help the story became about DB not baby Lisa. No matter what this family does they are treated like crap so why would they turn to anyone for help. I would feel so lost and hopeless in their situation and I wouldn't really care what others thought of me anymore.

I agree... People have critized them for wanting to get back to "normal". We all know their lives will never be normal again. They have to move on, as this may be the new "normal".

They are "grieving" for the loss of their daughter. It doesn't mean they know she's dead, because DB killed her. It might simply mean that they are grieving because she is gone and they don't know where she is. Let's imagine our child missing, wouldn't we grieve?!! I would, daily... it doesn't mean I wouldn't try to get on with my life for my other child. It also doesn't mean I would stop hoping and praying that she was returned.

Some have suggested that the boys will wonder why mom asked that the vigils stop. How do we know they haven't talked to the boys about it? How do we know that the boys didn't ask for them to be stopped? How do we know that they don't pray about this as a family? My husband and I pray w/ our kids when the need arises. We don't know!!!

As far as vigils... I'm sorry, I may be in the minority; but I wouldn't want people on my lawn every night. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want people to stop praying. As far as people on the lawn every night, maybe they are really worried for the boys; maybe somebody gives them the creeps; maybe they are worried that this gives strangers access to their boys. Who knows why they asked the vigils to cease.. IMO it doesn't matter. It is their life and they have to live it the best way they see fit at this point. It is not my place to judge and I won't. I will continue to pray that Lisa is brought home safely and brought to these parents who loved her.:twocents:

 

[not_my_kids]

Do we have a direct quote of what was said? Did DB say "no more vigils". Or did she ask that there be no more vigils on her front lawn? Or something else?

And, I am almost 100% certain that there is nothing where she said "Okay, it's been nearly 60 days, time to get back to the daily routine. Please stop asking God to help find our child". I find it incredibly hard to imagine that even an ATHEIST would say that. But if she did, could you please find me the link? Thanks

As far as creating an appearance of innocence - if they are innocent, and KCPD and the FBI believes it, why should they have to prove their innocence? In fact, even if LE doesn't believe it, the presumption of innocence is automatic, no matter what any of us think about it.

As I made sure to portray both through my signature, the use of the acronym IMO and the lack of link, was that this is my personal feeling about what transpired. What we do know is that DB asked for this next vigil to be the last one. That much has been repeatedly reported. I made sure that it was clear that that was my PERSONAL interpretation of the news as it was reported. If you have other reports and personal interpretations, please, feel free to share. Until then, MOO, and I'm entitled to it.

 

[SurfieTX]

I'm reminded of the Wall of Hope that was set up at Kyron's school. Once school was to begin again in the fall, Kyron's parents knew it was best to move the Wall of Hope because it would be in the best interest of the children at the school (and their parents). So, they and/or their advocates found a new home for the Wall of Hope and the community participated in moving it there and holding a moment of prayer.

It was very classy and the right thing to do, and it was done in a very respectful manner toward the community, Kyron and his mom and dad.

While I understand that JI and DB would want and need to resume some normalcy at home for the other kids, there are ways to handle things in a considerate and respectful manner for not only Baby Lisa but for the people who have cried for her, searched for her, and prayed for her and her family.

 

[justamommy]

Actually there have been quite a few around here that stay in the media. When Heather Kilorn went missing her family were posting flyers and keeping her picture in the media for years, (in fact there are still fylers posted in her neighborhood. I already mentioned the Hornbecks, Christian Ferguson, etc.

I'm not saying they need to be in the media "every single day", but when was the last time DB or JI talked to pleaded for Lisa's return?

It's not a "requirement", but if you child is really kidnapped wouldn't one of the most important thing to do be keep a picture in the public's mind? How is anybody going to look for her if no one is putting her face out there?

Respectfully... they get critized when they do talk to the media. I wouldn't talk anymore either. Sorry.:twocents:

 

[justamommy]

Even though it was at the Walrond address not Lister, if you listen to WS radio you will hear Spellman telling a story about her sitting on the porch and he walked up and said hi, she didnt want to talk etc. It's in one of the archives

I think she said something to the effect... I'm not allowed.:twocents:

 

[Evan's Mom]

DB also mentioned to one of the family's attorneys that she would like the boys to receive a Catholic education.

DB wants this to just go away so she can get back to her "adult" time jmo

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If I could afford to send my boys to Catholic School or a private Christian Academy, I would too. It's a better education, period.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The nicest thing I can think of to say about the announcement that DB has requested that today's prayer vigil to be the last one is that it is certainly not surprising to me. It falls right in line with her underwhelming contributions in all other areas, especially her refusal to sit down with LE for another individual interview. There seems to be a pattern emerging here of doing little and saying even less.

It all just leaves me feeling they haven't done enough to help find Baby Lisa and even thwarted several avenues of hope. So why not this last one then, too?

 

[BritsKate]

Respectfully... they get critized when they do talk to the media. I wouldn't talk anymore either. Sorry.:twocents:

And?

Respectfully why should it matter if 90% of the general population believe DB/JI are somehow complicit in Lisa's disappearance as long as them speaking to the media aids in keeping their daughter's name in the news? The potential benefit far outweighs the adverse opinions.

JMHO

 

[yllek]

I was referring to the bolded part about 'getting back to normal'.

I see cityslick. Same scenario as Short's recounting her direct conversation with Debbi. Picerno is recounting his recent direct conversation with Jeremy. Unless Picerno is lying about his conversation with his client, the sentiments came from Jeremy Irwin.

He (Picerno) added that he spoke with Irwin Friday morning and that Irwin said "everyday has gotten better." He said Irwin plans to return to his job as an electrician next week and they are working to get "back 100 percent to their normal life."
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