11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[Marshmallow]

and at the end of today Lisa is still missing and the Irwins have the right to have their normal life and that's fine by me. How life will be normal without her is confusing but I assume they just want it back the way it was before she entered their lives.

my prayers go out to Lisa, the victim here. And to LE and the FBI who search for her, who haven't given up. And to those who keep their prayers alive for Lisa and the other missing children out there somewhere who need to be able to come home, whether it's alive or not. And for justice for those little lives lost.

I hope the good souls who held these vigils keep praying, maybe Lisa will get justice. it was good of them to do these things and I hope someone took the time to thank them.

 

[Melanie]

So people trying to get attention for your 'missing" child is a spectacle AND a disruption!!! These two people can't get any lower IMHO. I hope LE finds Baby Lisa soon and these go straight to jail.

I think the operative statement here is "People Trying to get Attention". It's not about baby Lisa but rather "look at me, over here, see me - I'm on the Bradley/Irwin's front stoop every night praying for Baby Lisa".

WOW.

Let LE and the FBI do their job. Pray for baby Lisa in your own home, or your own front yard - but don't make yourself look a fool.

The only ones making it a spectable AND a disruption are those chanting with their candles in a prayer circle each night. As far as the Bradley/Irwin's - let em get on with doing nuffin. I'm confident LE is working diligently to bring about any charges necessary to arrest them if they feel they are responsible for baby Lisa's disappearance.

That's all I want - justice. The circus side show I could do without

MOO

Mel

 

[cityslick]

I think the operative statement here is "People Trying to get Attention". It's not about baby Lisa but rather "look at me, over here, see me - I'm on the Bradley/Irwin's front stoop every night praying for Baby Lisa".

WOW.

Let LE and the FBI do their job. Pray for baby Lisa in your own home, or your own front yard - but don't make yourself look a fool.

The only ones making it a spectable AND a disruption are those chanting with their candles in a prayer circle each night. As far as the Bradley/Irwin's - let em get on with doing nuffin. I'm confident LE is working diligently to bring about any charges necessary to arrest them if they feel they are responsible for baby Lisa's disappearance.

That's all I want - justice. The circus side show I could do without

MOO

Mel

I agree. It would be a somewhat bigger deal to me if two other children were not in that home. At some point these kind of things cross the line from trying to do the right thing to wanting attention as well as causing a spectacle. And you are right, it sounds like it was starting to be less about trying to get attention for Lisa and more just trying to get attention because they happen to be right in front of their house.

 

[madge]

And who's word do we have that they were disruptive? I hardly think praying is disruptive but then again, I don't agree with anything these parents have done. It's obvious IMHO that they don't give two noodles about the baby. Oh I forgot, they are 100% back to normal now too and life is getting easier every day. No distractions now at all, I'm sure DI could not get to the stoop to drink and smoke so she had to have them shooed away. The baby disappeared or??? on her watch and I haven't seen her do one flippin thing to help find her.

 

[askfornina]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

not sure if this has been posted, this is KCTV's take on the vigil.

Irwin's father, Rick Irwin, said the family appreciates the prayers but needs the vigils held at a different location because of Lisa's older half brothers. He said the vigils create an overwhelming and emotionally charged atmosphere for the family.

"Having the vigils here is really heart wrenching for them," Irwin said.

Irwin, Bradley and the two boys left their home before the vigil began. One person yelled out at the parents.

good video @ link

 

[cityslick]

And who's word do we have that they were disruptive? I hardly think praying is disruptive but then again, I don't agree with anything these parents have done. It's obvious IMHO that they don't give two noodles about the baby. Oh I forgot, they are 100% back to normal now too and life is getting easier every day. No distractions now at all, I'm sure DI could not get to the stoop to drink and smoke so she had to have them shooed away. The baby disappeared or??? on her watch and I haven't seen her do one flippin thing to help find her.

Nobody's word, the fact that they were on the front lawn (however small it is) day in and day out since this thing has been going on sounds pretty disruptive to me. A few times I can understand, but everyday?

 

[natsound]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

not sure if this has been posted, this is KCTV's take on the vigil.



good video @ link

I think DB and JI would feel a lot better if they would get up and search.

 

[madge]

@natsound, I agree! They should do something.

 

[Nixie]

And who's word do we have that they were disruptive? I hardly think praying is disruptive but then again, I don't agree with anything these parents have done. It's obvious IMHO that they don't give two noodles about the baby. Oh I forgot, they are 100% back to normal now too and life is getting easier every day. No distractions now at all, I'm sure DI could not get to the stoop to drink and smoke so she had to have them shooed away. The baby disappeared or??? on her watch and I haven't seen her do one flippin thing to help find her.

bbm the people who live at the house and their families. I would find it very disruptive and they mentioned the neighbors feel that way also. The way Lisa's Angels handled this situation did nothing to help find Lisa either, they might actually be hurting 2 little boys who are completely innocent and deserve peace and has much normal has they can get.

 

[highflyer]

Someone in the group was yelling at Debbie and the boys when they were leaving. There is no reason for them to scare children. That wasn't helping Lisa.

 

[MissJames]

They have two boys who are alive and in the home, who have the right to try and get back to as normal as possible.

Plus, it's not really fair to judge the parents for the lawyer's specific words. They clearly have the same POV - they want the vigils off the front lawn, but whether JI and DB consider it a nuisance and/or a spectacle we don't know. They may just consider it a distraction and a disturbance to their other two children.

I understand that the boys need to be going to school,doing their homework and having some down time,but in this situation vigils are normal.

It's really not normal for the parents of a missing or deceased child ,to be the ones to say," okay everyone,time to move along and get past this. "
Usually it's the parents trying to keep the public's attention and have the searches continue.

I think having the boys participate in the vigils would show them how much others care about them and their sister. Even if the parents don't want the boys participating ,they could have a discussion about about it. It should be a positive,not a disruption.
It's been held in their yard because that's the last place anyone saw Lisa and it was her home. Historically vigils are held at the victims home or where they died (if dead).
Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman (Nicole's home)
Princess Diana
Caylee Anthony
Kyron Hormon (his elementary school)
victims of school shootings,etc.......................I'm sure we could find many more .
All,JMO

 

[highflyer]

I understand that the boys need to be going to school,doing their homework and having some down time,but in this situation vigils are normal.

It's really not normal for the parents of a missing or deceased child ,to be the ones to say," okay everyone,time to move along and get past this. "
Usually it's the parents trying to keep the public's attention and have the searches continue.

I think having the boys participate in the vigils would show them how much others care about them and their sister. Even if the parents don't want the boys participating ,they could have a discussion about about it. It should be a positive,not a disruption.
It's been held in their yard because that's the last place anyone saw Lisa and it was her home. Historically vigils are held at the victims home or where they died (if dead).
Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman (Nicole's home)
Princess Diana
Caylee Anthony
Kyron Hormon (his elementary school)
victims of school shootings,etc.......................I'm sure we could find many more .
All,JMO

I'm not a child psychologist but having the two boys go thru a wrenching ordeal every evening with people who do not understand boundaries and would yell at confused, grieving children and their Mother does not seem healthy to me.

 

[MissJames]

Someone in the group was yelling at Debbie and the boys when they were leaving. There is no reason for them to scare children. That wasn't helping Lisa.

ITA ,especially because of the children .
Then it changes from a vigil to a prostest,IMO.

 

[MissJames]

I'm not a child psychologist but having the two boys go thru a wrenching ordeal every evening with people who do not understand boundaries and would yell at confused, grieving children and their Mother does not seem healthy to me.

Nope,not good at all. I thought it was once a week . It's no longer a vigil if there is yelling. If it's a protest of the parents actions ,it needs to be called something else. JMO

 

[Minette]

Quite possibly, most of those participating in the vigil were there to pray quietly and show support. However, the fact that someone was shouting at the family as they left says to me that at least one person was there to shame/put pressure on the family and that is all it takes to spoil the good intentions.

And shame on that person for yelling at the parents in front of the boys. That was inexcusable.

 

[highflyer]

Nope,not good at all. I thought it was once a week . It's no longer a vigil if there is yelling. If it's a protest of the parents actions ,it needs to be called something else. JMO

Think it is every night. The yelling was only once that I saw on video and don't want to besmirch the prayer group. Frustration seemed to bubble over last night. But if it has gotten to that level it isn't healthy for the boys, the neighbors and their children or the prayer group themselves.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

This is off topic, but why do all the threads appear to have one last page you can't open?

For the past two days, I thought that I was going :crazy:

 

[Sherbie]

Think it is every night. The yelling was only once that I saw on video and don't want to besmirch the prayer group. Frustration seemed to bubble over last night. But if it has gotten to that level it isn't healthy for the boys, the neighbors and their children or the prayer group themselves.

I agree, and my impression is that the frustration wasn't over anything to do with possible guilt of the parents. From what I've read and can gather, the group who had been there every night was told through a third party rather than the parents of the decision to end the vigils, and then the parents left the home without speaking to/thanking the group on their last night there. I think maybe this caused some to feel unappreciated and hurt.

I'm sure a church or community center or private citizen would be happy to host or allow the vigils on their property. Maybe once a week, though. Every single night is a bit much. One thing I think this family desperately needs is someone with sincerity, sensitivity and tact to interact with others on their behalf.

 

[cityslick]

I agree, and my impression is that the frustration wasn't over anything to do with possible guilt of the parents. From what I've read and can gather, the group who had been there every night was told through a third party rather than the parents of the decision to end the vigils, and then the parents left the home without speaking to/thanking the group on their last night there. I think maybe this caused some to feel unappreciated and hurt.

I'm sure a church or community center or private citizen would be happy to host or allow the vigils on their property. Maybe once a week, though. Every single night is a bit much. One thing I think this family desperately needs is someone with sincerity, sensitivity and tact to interact with others on their behalf.

I agree although in this case at least it was a family member and not a lawyer. That may caused more angst IMO.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I understand that the boys need to be going to school,doing their homework and having some down time,but in this situation vigils are normal.

It's really not normal for the parents of a missing or deceased child ,to be the ones to say," okay everyone,time to move along and get past this. "
Usually it's the parents trying to keep the public's attention and have the searches continue.

I think having the boys participate in the vigils would show them how much others care about them and their sister. Even if the parents don't want the boys participating ,they could have a discussion about about it. It should be a positive,not a disruption.It's been held in their yard because that's the last place anyone saw Lisa and it was her home. Historically vigils are held at the victims home or where they died (if dead).
Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman (Nicole's home)
Princess Diana
Caylee Anthony
Kyron Hormon (his elementary school)
victims of school shootings,etc.......................I'm sure we could find many more .
All,JMO

BBM One of these 'ardent prayers' is the same woman who yelled AT the car WITH the boys in it. That is not about praying; I would not want my children anywhere near a whackjob who is going to 'pray' out of one side of her mouth and scream in the direction of my children with the other side.

BOTTOM LINE Home court advantage-Jeremy/Debbie. If Edith and this nut who is screaming after the car want to pray, do it elsewhere NOT on the front lawn at N Lister.