11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[IHAVENOCLUE]

O/T ...Is there anyone who can tell me what the following three acronyms stand for?

HTH

IDI

RDI

I have been trying to figure them out myself, but have had no luck!

TIA
:seeya:

 

[Karmaa]

I agree although in this case at least it was a family member and not a lawyer. That may caused more angst IMO.

I can understand why Debbie would not talk to them herself. Remember - Ashley Irwin hinted at what was going on before last night's ugliness. IIRC she said that we would see why the vigils needed to stop.

That tells me that there has been some kind of problem with these people before. And, frankly, after listening to that Edith person, it would not surprise me. She seems to have some real anger issues probably relating to her own life, and those issues seem to have boiled to the surface. How long ago that happened, and what that has meant to the family is anyone's guess.

But, if there has been a conflict, then I can see why Debbie would not want to say anything directly. After all, Edith managed to get everyone riled up about Debbie demanding that the vigils stop when Debbie personally said nothing. Can you imagine how it would have come across if Debbie actually had asked her personally?

I think that Debbie took the high road by leaving last night, which indicates a certain level of maturity that I was glad to see.

 

[yllek]

Change and endings are hard for a lot of people, even when it involves something much less heart breaking than a missing baby. I feel bad for the prayer group, but it was right to respect the parents' wishes and it appears that the vigils have been moved or discontinued. No issues reported at the house tonight. That is good.

I don't know the parents' reasons for wanting the prayer vigils moved, but I think there are plenty of good ones and I am glad the request was respected. One thing that I think may be getting missed in this discussion though. For 6 weeks, those vigils were held at the house where Baby LISA lived; the last place she was known to be alive. I think the prayer group may have felt closer to LISA being in front of her home. It became a spiritual ritual of sorts, imo. Asking them to move wasn't only asking them to leave the front yard of the now occupied house, it was asking them to stop praying at the place where some of them probably saw LISA playing; the place where she likely last chased her brothers around in the fresh air; the place just feet from where she vanished. For them, there may be sentiment attached to this home that drew them to it in the first place, with no intention of disrupting parents or Lisa's brothers (the family wasn't living there for 6 weeks, they just returned 2 weeks ago). Until the family moved back home, these folks were free to pray for LISA at LISA's home. That's powerful, imo.

Something meaningful was taken away from the prayer group last night and I don't want to discount the spirit of their efforts because some of them acted hurt about it on one night (when they've been praying for LISA without thanks or fail for 57 nights). But, I'm glad they are no longer infringing on the family. Looks like a peaceful ending to nightly prayer vigils at LISA's home. Still lots of us throughout the country and beyond praying or hoping for LISA nightly.

JMO...

 

[Jacie Estes]

I agree, and my impression is that the frustration wasn't over anything to do with possible guilt of the parents. From what I've read and can gather, the group who had been there every night was told through a third party rather than the parents of the decision to end the vigils, and then the parents left the home without speaking to/thanking the group on their last night there. I think maybe this caused some to feel unappreciated and hurt.

I'm sure a church or community center or private citizen would be happy to host or allow the vigils on their property. Maybe once a week, though. Every single night is a bit much. One thing I think this family desperately needs is someone with sincerity, sensitivity and tact to interact with others on their behalf.

BBM 'feel unappreciated and hurt' That is on them then. This group was not invited there, they took it upon themselves to do this and they may be the reason that Jeremy and Debbie took their family out of the house for awhile.

Jeremy and Debbie don't owe these people an explanation; Mr Irwin has spoken with them and even comforted Edith when she had her meltdown on Lisa's birthday vigil. Mr Irwin is the one whose granddaughter is missing, he should not have to comfort anyone during a vigil. I have to say what I have seen of Mr Irwin he is a very NICE man and is acting as the patriarch of this family, as he should. His son and his son's woman are hurting; why should they have to acquiesce to the whims of a group standing on their lawn?

We know for a fact that Debbie's inlaws,sean's[?] parents, aren't badmouthing her. Jeremy's parents aren't either. They know Debbie and are standing by her. Mr Irwin is taking the load off his family's shoulder and for that I commend him. For these 'prayers' to have to hear anything directly from Debbie/Jeremy shows that they do not have compassion, they want recognition. Well they can all stand in a circle, do a quarter turn and pat each other on the back....someplace else, not on the front yard at N Lister.

IF these people/prayers/petitioners were SO concerned about Lisa, they would not bring their drama to the table.

EDIT TO ADD:

When my cousin was murdered, it was a case that made national news because of the number of people murdered, my auntie was not subjected to dealing with media/vigils/curious people. My uncles and my Dad would not allow that, as Southern men, they felt it was their duty to protect my auntie and my other cousins. That is what family does and that is IMHO what Mr Irwin is doing for his family.

 

[yllek]

O/T ...Is there anyone who can tell me what the following three acronyms stand for?

HTH

IDI

RDI

I have been trying to figure them out myself, but have had no luck!

TIA
:seeya:

Were you in the Ramsey thread? If so:

IDI means Intruder Did It.
RDI means Ramseys Did It.
HTH.. HIIK (ha, my self-made acronym for heck if I know):crazy:

 

[askfornina]

Were you in the Ramsey thread? If so:

IDI means Intruder Did It.
RDI means Ramseys Did It.
HTH.. HIIK (ha, my self-made acronymn for heck if I know):crazy:

HTH is "hope that helps"

HTH

 

[yllek]

HTH is "hope that helps"

HTH

IDH (it does help!)

 

[Sherbie]

BBM 'feel unappreciated and hurt' That is on them then. This group was not invited there, they took it upon themselves to do this and they may be the reason that Jeremy and Debbie took their family out of the house for awhile.

Jeremy and Debbie don't owe these people an explanation; Mr Irwin has spoken with them and even comforted Edith when she had her meltdown on Lisa's birthday vigil. Mr Irwin is the one who's granddaughter is missing, he should not have to comfort anyone during a vigil. I have to say what I have seen of Mr Irwin he is a very NICE man and is acting as the patriarch of this fmaily, as he should. His son and his son's woman are hurting; why should they have to acquiesce to the whims of a group standing on their lawn?

We know for a fact that Debbie's inlaws,sean's[?] parents, aren't badmouthing her. Jeremy's parents aren't either. They know Debbie and are standing by her. Mr Irwin is taking the load off his family's shoulder and for that I commend him. For these 'prayers' to have to hear anything directly from Debbie/Jeremy shows that they do not have compassion, they want recognition. Well they can all stand in a circle, do a quarter turn and pat each other on the back....someplace else, not on the front yard at N Lister.

IF these people/prayers/petitioners were SO concerned about Lisa, they would not bring their drama to the table.

I think you mistook my meaning. I wasn't defending the group, but simply saying what I could glean of their position is that their feelings were hurt for the reasons stated. That certainly doesn't justify anyone yelling at the parents as they left or any other inappropriate behavior.

I personally have no problem whatsoever with the family stopping the nightly vigils on their lawn, especially after seeing the video. Even if their hearts are in the right place, at least one of the group seems a bit unstable. And if that was an indication of her usual demeanor, I'm surprised they've been allowed to do this as long as they have.

 

[Minette]

OT: Sherbie, I have been meaning to tell you that I adore your avatar! Between you and askfornia I am on cute overload tonight!

 

[Melanie]

Does anyone know if all was quiet at the house tonight?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Were you in the Ramsey thread? If so:

IDI means Intruder Did It.
RDI means Ramseys Did It.
HTH.. HIIK (ha, my self-made acronym for heck if I know):crazy:

Thanks, Yllek!

Yes, I have recently become very intrigued with the Ramsey case! I read the book by Steve Thomas, and wish to find out more!
I especially like your acronym HIIK! It's the story of my life!:crazy:

 

[Sherbie]

Thanks, Minette! :blowkiss: I hope the boys were able to keep their kitten. Could go a long way toward distracting them and soothing their souls at such a stressful time.

(I like that avatar because it reminds me of my sweet little Buttercup):

 

[yllek]

Imo, this is not really a big deal.

The prayer group was praying at the site where Lisa was last seen for 6 weeks and there was no one in the house to object. It became a ritual. Some of them may have been hurt or frustrated having that taken away. But, I completely understand that the parents don't want a nightly gathering on their front yard. If one of prayer group made a snarky remark, I don't think it's that big a deal *ducks*. Not a cool momentary display of emotion, but it wasn't cursing, name calling or threats of violence. It's over now and it appears the group respected the parents' reasonable request.

Nobody was the bad guy here, imo. A group of people who prayed nightly for 57 days without thanks or fail is not some band of hoodlums or natural enemies of the baby's parents. Parents who don't want a nightly gathering on their lawn are not unreasonable ingrates for requesting it to be relocated.

Over and done with no real harm to anyone, imo...

 

[Jacie Estes]

I think you mistook my meaning. I wasn't defending the group, but simply saying what I could glean of their position is that their feelings were hurt for the reasons stated. That certainly doesn't justify anyone yelling at the parents as they left or any other inappropriate behavior.

I personally have no problem whatsoever with the family stopping the nightly vigils on their lawn, especially after seeing the video. Even if their hearts are in the right place, at least one of the group seems a bit unstable. And if that was an indication of her usual demeanor, I'm surprised they've been allowed to do this as long as they have.

I understood your meaning and the premise of your statement. I was just stating my opinion. These parents and the whole Irwin family have been kind to these 'gatherers'. Then it took an ugly turn and, because of their own actions, they are no longer welcome.

 

[kantoo]

I understood your meaning. I was just stating my opinion. These parents and the whole Irwin family have been kind to these 'gatherers'. Then it took an ugly turn and, because of their own actions, they are no longer welcome.

Because of their actions? What did i miss? The Irwin family announced there would be no more vigils at their house yesterday morning. The "dust-up" didn't happen until last night...

 

[Jacie Estes]

As a sidebar to this story, I wanted to note the passing of a well known newsman in KC. Don Harman passed last night at the age of 41. We and many other people in KC area appreciated his spot on coverage when there were tornadoes in the area.

http://www.wibw.com/localnews/headl...ns_Passing_Of_Local_Weatherman_134767168.html

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

BBM 'feel unappreciated and hurt' That is on them then. This group was not invited there, they took it upon themselves to do this and they may be the reason that Jeremy and Debbie took their family out of the house for awhile.

Jeremy and Debbie don't owe these people an explanation; Mr Irwin has spoken with them and even comforted Edith when she had her meltdown on Lisa's birthday vigil. Mr Irwin is the one whose granddaughter is missing, he should not have to comfort anyone during a vigil. I have to say what I have seen of Mr Irwin he is a very NICE man and is acting as the patriarch of this family, as he should. His son and his son's woman are hurting; why should they have to acquiesce to the whims of a group standing on their lawn?

We know for a fact that Debbie's inlaws,sean's[?] parents, aren't badmouthing her. Jeremy's parents aren't either. They know Debbie and are standing by her. Mr Irwin is taking the load off his family's shoulder and for that I commend him. For these 'prayers' to have to hear anything directly from Debbie/Jeremy shows that they do not have compassion, they want recognition. Well they can all stand in a circle, do a quarter turn and pat each other on the back....someplace else, not on the front yard at N Lister.

IF these people/prayers/petitioners were SO concerned about Lisa, they would not bring their drama to the table.

EDIT TO ADD:

When my cousin was murdered, it was a case that made national news because of the number of people murdered, my auntie was not subjected to dealing with media/vigils/curious people. My uncles and my Dad would not allow that, as Southern men, they felt it was their duty to protect my auntie and my other cousins. That is what family does and that is IMHO what Mr Irwin is doing for his family.

Thoughtful, articulate post, Jacie Estes!
Holding praying vigils for Baby Lisa can be therapeutic for the members of Lisa's Angels, yet continuing to hold them on the Irwin/Bradford lawn could create feelings of encroachment for the family.

Holding the vigils at another place (park, another member's lawn, etc.) could reap the same benefits, while giving Lisa's family members some privacy.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Because of their actions? What did i miss? The Irwin family announced there would be no more vigils at their house yesterday morning. The "dust-up" didn't happen until last night...

Edith's meltdown at the birthday vigil, the NIGHTLY vigils on the front lawn and the rude comments and screaming at the car with the kids in it last night.

 

[MissJames]

Think it is every night. The yelling was only once that I saw on video and don't want to besmirch the prayer group. Frustration seemed to bubble over last night. But if it has gotten to that level it isn't healthy for the boys, the neighbors and their children or the prayer group themselves.

I think the way the parents deal with hateful people can be turned into a positive and doesn't have to be wrenching. I don't condone the yelling at all,or even people encroaching where they are not wanted,but that's what I don't get.
Why don't DB and JI want all the help and public attention for Lisa that they can get?
There should be hope . I just don't understand them .

 

[Nixie]

IMO I think Edith has become to emotionally connected to this case and I think it may be unhealthy for her. After re watching videos I am concerned for her and they way she has reacted to this case. I really don't see others who have lost people who decide to go out and help others react to the cases the same way she does. I mean no offense to her personally but I do think it has a lot to do with the way the last vigil was handled. The whole thing was blown out of proportion, all they were asked to do was leave the Irwin's front lawn on a nightly basis. They were not asked to stop praying/stop helping or to just forget about Lisa. They were thanked by Mr Irwin in his interview. he seemed very calm about the whole thing its not like the family went crazy on her or said anything hurtful. Just because you help people doesn't give you the right to dictate what happens on their property especially when 2 other children are involved. I get emotions are high in this case but their reaction to this wasn't normal either. I think most people would understand why nightly meetings on someones front lawn could cause issues in the long run. I don't see how they couldn't understand that after watching the video and seeing how close they actually were to the house. The yard is very small and I know if someone is that close to my house even just speaking I would hear them. My daughter would be distracted by that and if it were something that upset her there is no way she wouldn't notice it.