17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[Dr.Fessel]

This assumes that Martin saw the gun before he was on top of Zimmerman, beating him (as verified by an eyewitness). JMO

The eye witness who only saw a small part of the fight who never reported Martin went for a gun or put his hand over Zimmermans mouth or beat his head into a sidewalk then he quit watching and went upstairs. Wonder why he went upstairs?

 

[wishuwerehere]

I think it's a disservice to all communities to start wearing hoodies in support of TM. I agree with Mck16 - if I see a teen male with a hoodie on at night I don't care what color he is, I'm steering clear.

When we go to see a play, the costumes the characters wear help us identify who they are and what type of character they are. This isn't steroptypig. This is real life. If you don't want to be "identified" as the gansta/, then DON'T WEAR THE COSTUME. If you don't mind and don't care - fine. But complaining about it is stupid.

I'm not afraid hoodies. I'm afraid of GUNS.
Hoodies don't kill, GUNS do!

jmo

 

[ziggy]

I would have gone after the gun to if somebody was stalking me...if he did attack first, my guess is that he saw the gun and was scared #$#$@#$

common sense tells me that if someone is following me around in a car, and i try to dodge them and they catch up to me and i see a gun...i have every right to go after them and try to protect myself...I wouldn't run away, i would be afraid they would shoot me in the back, and i'm pretty sure i would do my best to disarm them...

zimmerman started this whole chain of events by following him, trayvon did not instigate any thing, he tried to get away, (i think thats pretty obvious from the 911 call and the girlfriend)

I wonder what would have happened if trayvon had gotten the gun and shot zimmerman, i'm assuming that he would have been protected under that law because he would have been standing his ground...but somehow, I just don't think that would have happened...

again with my common sense, if it was me and some guy following me with a gun, I would obviously think that person was up to no good...and i would fight like crazy....jmo...but i think that could very well be what happened...

Common sense and my ears tell me that there was indeed a scuffle. If TM had seen the gun and it had been pulled on him, I doubt he would have attacked...more likely he would have been answering some questions and fast. Common sense tells me that the brawl began before the gun was pulled - perhaps TM saw it in a holster (total speculation). But saying that you know for sure TM did not instigate a physical confrontation is premature.

If someone has a gun and is threatening you and you take it away and use deadly force against them, I think that's pretty clearly self defense no matter what color you are.

 

[m00c0w]

Maybe he was checking for block numbers? I have no idea. But I've lived in my neighborhood for almost two years and I don't know all the street names. I lived in the previous neighborhood for close to twenty years. Same thing. I'm one of those people who uses landmarks and time (not street names and distance). I only use street names when I'm following a map. Once I know how to get there, the map (and the street names) get tossed.

Same. I've been down this one stretch of road many many many times over my life, but until I was rear-ended last month and had to give my location to 911, I didn't realize exactly how clueless I was about street names. "Uhh... There's the Kroger over there, and then right under this overpass" doesn't really cut it when you're trying to give specific locations for LEOs.

 

[annalia]

I think it's a disservice to all communities to start wearing hoodies in support of TM. I agree with Mck16 - if I see a teen male with a hoodie on at night I don't care what color he is, I'm steering clear.

When we go to see a play, the costumes the characters wear help us identify who they are and what type of character they are. This isn't steroptypig. This is real life. If you don't want to be "identified" as the gansta/, then DON'T WEAR THE COSTUME. If you don't mind and don't care - fine. But complaining about it is stupid.

my bolding

Seriously?

The vast majority of teens wear hoodies. My daughter has a closet full of hoodies. My sons wore hoodie, none of them are gangsta.

You're saying yourself that a kid wearing a hoodie must be a .

How can we ever get past saying the hoodie had nothing to do with this, or no one should speak out about it, when it keeps getting said that him wearing his hoodie made him look like a ???

THAT is the whole POINT of wearing the hoodies in protest, to show the absurdity in the stereotyping over him wearing a hoodie meant he was a .

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

The eye witness who only saw a small part of the fight who never reported Martin went for a gun or put his hand over Zimmermans mouth or beat his head into a sidewalk then he quit watching and went upstairs. Wonder why he went upstairs?

Why is it relevant? I believe he said he was going to call 911.

The fact of the matter is that there is nothing to indicate Zimmerman drew a weapon before he was pinned underneath Martin.

 

[mck16]

BBM - I disagree. GZ is the one who made this racial. Just listen to his 911 call. IMO his 911 call is going to sink him in court.

But the media is sensationalizing the story, just like they do with everything else.

I am pleased to see the outpouring of peaceful protests around the country. Democracy in action.

jmo

It will be a democracy when both sides of the story are heard. Then I will judge. I have heard the 911 call after a reporter told me what to listen for. Had I not been listening for that word I would never had heard it. jmo

 

[ziggy]

I'm not afraid hoodies. I'm afraid of GUNS.
Hoodies don't kill, GUNS do!

jmo

Not me. Guns in the right hands save lives or cops wouldn't carry them. I am afraid of hoodies and baggy clothes because I know for a fact that teens carry concealed weapons within those clothes and they do use the hoodie to conceal a profile ID and cover their head - it definitely helps them conceal their identities. Teen zig and his little pot head buddies use them all the time to try and keep from being IDd by the the local cops when they are out blazin' where they shouldn't be. I have no idea why it's so hard for people to just admit that.

 

[m00c0w]

my bolding

Seriously?

The vast majority of teens wear hoodies. My daughter has a closet full of hoodies. My sons wore hoodie, none of them are gangsta.

You're saying yourself that a kid wearing a hoodie must be a .

How can we ever get past saying the hoodie had nothing to do with this, or no one should speak out about it, when it keeps getting said that him wearing his hoodie made him look like a ???

THAT is the whole POINT of wearing the hoodies in protest, to show the absurdity in the stereotyping over him wearing a hoodie meant he was a .

JMHO

Stereotypes are usually based in fact. JMO

 

[annalia]

Common sense and my ears tell me that there was indeed a scuffle. If TM had seen the gun and it had been pulled on him, I doubt he would have attacked...more likely he would have been answering some questions and fast. Common sense tells me that the brawl began before the gun was pulled - perhaps TM saw it in a holster (total speculation). But saying that you know for sure TM did not instigate a physical confrontation is premature.

If someone has a gun and is threatening you and you take it away and use deadly force against them, I think that's pretty clearly self defense no matter what color you are.

And that's what trials are for. Not for police to throw up their hands and say oh well he said it was self defense so it's good enough for us.

And that's ALL that Trayvon's parents have been saying. They just wanted an arrest and a trial, for a judge or jury to decide.

JMHO

 

[SuziQ]

GZ is a Serial 911 caller who likes the attention he gets from reporting "problems" but most of the time "they" got away before cops get there so he was going to be a hero this time, he unlawfully tried to detain him and Trayvon did fight him, he was in the wrong in that situation too. So no matter what GZ imo is the aggressor.

I think GZ's call will be the biggest hurdle for him. IMO, it shows frame of mind and intent.

 

[m00c0w]

And that's what trials are for. Not for police to throw up their hands and say oh well he said it was self defense so it's good enough for us.

And that's ALL that Trayvon's parents have been saying. They just wanted an arrest and a trial, for a judge or jury to decide.

JMHO

BBM

Can you point to a specific source that implies or explicitly states the police did this?

 

[HiHater]

Because this picture, which is recent of both, one a self-portrait by TM taken by his computer cam, and the other looks like a head shot for business purposes (yes, Zimmerman is a business man, a fact that's never mentioned), would not have netted the Martin family thousands of dollars today in a church offering - this picture wouldn't have raised the ire of the public and Al Sharpton wouldn't be poking this monster. It's all about perception.

The fact is, this is Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. This is who they are and who they both wanted their friends and family to see them as. IMO, only someone or a group with an agenda would post pictures of a 12 year old boy (good), and a 7 year old mugshot (evil) -- there's really no other reason I can think of. This case has been cloaked in dishonesty from the beginning and it started with blatant lying to YOU, the public.

snipped by me, respectfully

George Zimmerman looked like that as he was heading to the grocery store at 7 pm? That picture doesn't look like Trayvon either, I'm sure there are clearer pictures to use. IMO

This picture is 2 years old, so Trayvon would be 14 or 15:

This is a very recent picture:

And what is the date for GZ's pic? We just don't know, to assume that the pictures are used for some nefarious reason is a stretch. IMO :twocents: :moo:

 

[nachomama]

What evidence do you have to back this up? It certainly wasn't a part of the conversation the girlfriend heard which is when the affray allegedly started (otherwise, I think she would have heard more than "Who are you?" from Trayvon). JMO

I have been trying to figure out just HOW TM was beating on GZ and on the phone with his girlfriend at the same time.. AND didn't it say somewhere that the wound on the back oh GZ's head was in the process of healing and not fresh ??? I get more confuzeled by the minute with this case... :banghead::banghead:

 

[ziggy]

my bolding

Seriously?

The vast majority of teens wear hoodies. My daughter has a closet full of hoodies. My sons wore hoodie, none of them are gangsta.

You're saying yourself that a kid wearing a hoodie must be a .

How can we ever get past saying the hoodie had nothing to do with this, or no one should speak out about it, when it keeps getting said that him wearing his hoodie made him look like a ???

THAT is the whole POINT of wearing the hoodies in protest, to show the absurdity in the stereotyping over him wearing a hoodie meant he was a .

JMHO

Sorry but in real life, the bad kids also wear the hoodies and use it to help conceal their identity. I know thuggy little teens. They used to hang out at my house until we had to kick them out. All thuggy teens wear these stupid hoodies. Maybe your kids wore them to keep the rain off their heads, I don't know...or for fashion because fashion likes to immitate gansta videos. Either way, blame the thugs for making the hoodie part of their costume, <mod snip>

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think GZ's call will be the biggest hurdle for him. IMO, it shows frame of mind and intent.

I have a feeling the "you got me man" statement (if Zimmerman really said Martin said that) could be trouble depending on where Trayvon was shot.

 

[rbrnmw2]

I think it's a disservice to all communities to start wearing hoodies in support of TM. I agree with Mck16 - if I see a teen male with a hoodie on at night I don't care what color he is, I'm steering clear.

When we go to see a play, the costumes the characters wear help us identify who they are and what type of character they are. This isn't steroptypig. This is real life. If you don't want to be "identified" as the gansta/, then DON'T WEAR THE COSTUME. If you don't mind and don't care - fine. But complaining about it is stupid.

I have 14 and 17 old boys both of them wear hoodies as do all of their friends my 17 year old son is a straight A honor student who plans on Teaching History. I see nothing wrong with hoodies

 

[LolaMoon08]

Wow. That's a BIG difference from the mugshot. GZ looks like he lost some weight too.

Does anyone know how recent that picture of Zimmerman was taken?

 

[tambo]

This assumes that Martin saw the gun before he was on top of Zimmerman, beating him (as verified by an eyewitness). JMO

true, I wonder if the gun was inside his shirt or outside...i would think outside only because it would seem to me that it would be really hard to grab the gun from inside the shirt while being beaten like that...of course thats assuming that zimmerman tried to defend himself, which you would think he would have..If the gun was outside his shirt, which sounds plausable then tm would have the right to defend himself..jmo and all that jazz

 

[thefragile7393]

I think it's a disservice to all communities to start wearing hoodies in support of TM. I agree with Mck16 - if I see a teen male with a hoodie on at night I don't care what color he is, I'm steering clear.

When we go to see a play, the costumes the characters wear help us identify who they are and what type of character they are. This isn't steroptypig. This is real life. If you don't want to be "identified" as the gansta/, then DON'T WEAR THE COSTUME. If you don't mind and don't care - fine. But complaining about it is stupid.

Ted Bundy was clean cut white male who at times wore a cast in order to gain victims trust and sympathy. His victims figured he didn't look scary because of how he was dressed and looked. Stereotyping someone because of their age and what they are wearing is completely ridiculous-ANYONE can be dangerous, don't single out and stereotype someone for that.