17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[Inabsentia]

The truth is finally coming out. I did see the pics earlier in this thread, and it's very illuminating. Why in the world they're just now surfacing is beyond me.

Also, the truth has finally surfaced about why he was suspended. An empty bag of marijuana. So while he couldn't be charged with a crime for that and get a record, he could be suspended. It wasn't about tardies.

And as was made obvious by the wounds, George was punched in the nose and slammed on the ground with the back of his head. I'm not sure about the grabbing for the gun thing. Having his head slammed into the ground would be grounds to shoot.

Don't know if this new article has been posted yet:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3C2SHZWAYY

The article you quote above says " suspected of containing marijuana" and a previous article said that the empty baggie was enough to trigger the school's zeo tolerance policy. I don't personally believe that a little pot is a big deal, although I don't partake, but this is a lot of furor over an empty baggie. Imo

The article you link also says that Zimmerman's head wounds were inspected at the scene and he was judged to be in good enough condition to be released to go with the spd instead of requiring more treatment right that instant. Those don't sound like the sort of injuries one would incur from having one's head repeatedly slammed into the concrete by a large, strong attacker. Moo

 

[mikeysmommom]

Sitting behind my computer, it's easy to say what I think i would do. In the moment I have no idea how I would immediately react or what I would do.

Maybe we should say that rape victims are also at fault for not doing more to stop or prevent their rapes or they should know that if they wear a certain outfit they may get raped so it's their fault then too.

But if a kid was supposed to know and act in the manner that everyone believes a victim should act to prevent a crime against them, then the same or even more should apply to GZ. A grown man should have been smart enough to know that you don't follow someone you feel is suspicious, with a loaded weapon, if there's a chance that you might get hurt.

JMHO

This has nothing to do with a rape victim IMO that is just to inflame.Cell phones are not only to make sure you can keep in constant contact with your friends,they are for emergencies as well and being followed.

 

[gxm]

As far as I recall, once your heart stops pumping, your body doesn't produce bruising or swollen parts. How much time was there between the actual shooting, and Martin's death?

Good point. I was wondering the same thing.

 

[RoseRed]

He was talking to his girlfriend throughout the whole walk. They have the whole phone call on record, so I don't know why everyone is so adamant that TM was doing something wrong. Normal kid, drinking ice tea and eating skiddles while talking to his girlfriend only to come across the big bully wanna be cop carrying a weapon. In California you can only shoot someone if they are inside your home, if they are in your yard you will go to jail no matter what their intention was. RIP Trayvon....

It is like that in Chicago also but we have more people killed in one month than in Afghanistan. The only people with guns are the gang members and police. Ever time a gang member is killed by police the family throws out their 8 th grade graduation picture even if they are 40 years old. It is a big joke in Chicago about his little wittle 8th grade picture. Same thing they did with Trayvon 12 year old photo big joke on us.

 

[rossva]

Have we heard from any source other than the words of Tracy Martin that Zimmerman did in fact weigh 240 pounds?

I huge 240 lb bully packing a gun against a small 140 lb 17 year old kid and you think that's fair??? Did you listen to the 911 calls and the call between TM and his girlfriend? TM was just trying to defend himself. The witness said she heard a KID screaming for help until she heard the gun go off and then all was quiet. How sickening and pathetic for anyone to blame the victim here!

 

[m00c0w]

The article you quote above says " suspected of containing marijuana" and a previous article said that the empty baggie was enough to trigger the school's zeo tolerance policy. I don't personally believe that a little pot is a big deal, although I don't partake, but this is a lot of furor over an empty baggie. Imo

The article you link also says that Zimmerman's head wounds were inspected at the scene and he was judged to be in good enough condition to be released to go with the spd instead of requiring more treatment right that instant. Those don't sound like the sort of injuries one would incur from having one's head repeatedly slammed into the concrete by a large, strong attacker. Moo

It actually said just a paragraph down in the article:

Family spokesperson Ryan Julison confirmed to ABC News that Martin was suspended for an "empty baggy that had contained pot."

Which would imply it did actually contain an illicit substance at one point.

 

[gxm]

Police never stated that.

As far as we know, TM was shot in the chest, which would imply that TM was facing GZ not running away. Then again, the reporting on this case has been terrible and we may be getting bad info. But IMO, if TM had been shot in the back, GZ would have been arrested that night.

 

[Velouria]

It is like that in Chicago also but we have more people killed in one month than in Afghanistan. The only people with guns are the gang members and police. Ever time a gang member is killed by police the family throws out their 8 th grade graduation picture even if they are 40 years old. It is a big joke in Chicago about his little wittle 8th grade picture. Same thing they did with Trayvon 12 year old photo big joke on us.

Yes, I'll bet Trayvon's family is just sitting around yukking it up over that one.

TM wasn't a gang member and wasn't the one with the gun.

 

[RoseRed]

I don't understand why you don't believe that a man who shot a minor should be arrested.

Self defense is why.

 

[Belinda]

If only the police had been a few seconds faster. I wonder if Zimmermans many calls to LE resulted in their not responding as fast as they could.

They initially responded slower because he had called on the non-emergency line. It wasn't until neighbors started calling 911 that they high-tailed it over there.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I just said that you can't outrun a bullet.
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(speed)

If you think someone with a gun is out to get you you might not think you're safe turning your back to them and running.

Thanks for the links but I am aware that humans can't run 700fps... Of course, there's no evidence that he pulled the gun on TM

 

[tlcya]

OMG !!!!! I hope Geraldo doesn't see your post... first hoodies maybe underwear next ... :woohoo::woohoo:

Please, lets not get into the boxer issue. Those boxers are the only thing between me and unwanted viewings of nekid behind in my own little neighborhood!

 

[Sensei]

Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cellphone. Martin then said something like, "Well, you do now" and punched him, according to the Sentinel's sources.

So who was Zimmerman going to call when he reached for his cellphone? He knew that Le were already on their way. And after working as hard as he did to catch up to Martin, when all of a sudden Martin stepped into his path and askes if he has a problem, he becomes Millard Milquetoast and answers "No", and is then attacked....

I am sorry others can believe this total claptrap, if the want to, but I wasn't born yesterday, and someone who chases a person with a loaded gun does NOT act that way, and a kid who has shown every indication that he wants to avoid the stranger that is following him just does NOT act that way If this is his statement and it is actually in written form as his sworn statement, he has a real problem because it is not going to take much of a Prosecutor to show that this is a pack of lies...IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The police have not reported that.

"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_arizona-iced-tea-suv-unarmed-black-teenager

I'm reading this as the police going with GZ's accounting of events.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Yes, I'll bet Trayvon's family is just sitting around yukking it up over that one.

TM wasn't a gang member and wasn't the one with the gun.

How do we know he was not in a gang?A few days ago we did not know he was suspended from school due to having empty pot bag.JMO

 

[annalia]

This has nothing to do with a rape victim IMO that is just to inflame.Cell phones are not only to make sure you can keep in constant contact with your friends,they are for emergencies as well and being followed.

We all have our views on comments that are meant to inflame, and I dare say in my view there have been more than quite a few of them.

But that aside, I think it's a perfectly fine comparison since the point that keeps getting made is "we" would have acted thisway, and that Trayvon should have as well. That's why I made it.

JMHO

 

[octobermoon]

OMG !!!!! I hope Geraldo doesn't see your post... first hoodies maybe underwear next ... :woohoo::woohoo:

:what: :giggle: :what:

 

[wishuwerehere]

Self defense is why.

Why did GZ have to defend himself?

 

[RoseRed]

Listen to? Is there a recording of the phone call between Martin and his gf? Or do you mean read the transcripts of the what she claims to have been the conversation? One she (or a representative of hers) only revealed aprox 3 weeks after Martin was shot, and then only in an exclusive to ABC television?

I agree and I do not believe her at all. I have seen this in Chicago too many times.

 

[m00c0w]

So who was Zimmerman going to call when he reached for his cellphone? He knew that Le were already on their way. And after working as hard as he did to catch up to Martin, when all of a sudden Martin stepped into his path and askes if he has a problem, he becomes Millard Milquetoast and answers "No", and is then attacked....

I am sorry others can believe this total claptrap, if the want to, but I wasn't born yesterday, and someone who chases a person with a loaded gun does NOT act that way, and a kid who has shown every indication that he wants to avoid the stranger that is following him just does NOT act that way If this is his statement and it is actually in written form as his sworn statement, he has a real problem because it is not going to take much of a Prosecutor to show that this is a pack of lies...IMO JMHO and stuff.

What bearing does him having a loaded gun have on anything? And I would not characterize observing from a safe distance as "chasing" anyone down. Why is it so unreasonable to believe that Zimmerman was going to call the police back and ask them to hurry things up?