17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[m00c0w]

I hope someone is able to respond to ALL of my questions and not just one. Re: the marijuana, I'll use the same arguments a lot of people on this site have been using: it's hearsay, it could have been planted, we don't know the real story, we don't know it was *real* marijuana -- my suggestion about the marijuana was just a red herring for ya'll because there are a lot of really flimsy arguments going on in this thread for why TM is at fault for his own death.

If you can use flimsy arguments on a sleuthing forum with no real evidence other than a person's word (family spokesperson, GZ), then so can I.

Then maybe you can address when someone claimed that having skittles and tea meant anything with respect to the case. And when has anyone claimed that him merely wearing a hoodie means anything? I believe the only pertinent questions you ask are about tattoos, and I don't believe there has been any grand dialogue over it. Maybe a few posts.

Now, the marijuana... <modsnip>

 

[rossva]

But, how would that be, for lack of a better word, enforced? Latest reports

"Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, told police he was on his way to the grocery store when he saw Martin, a black male, walking through his gated community, according to the Sentinel report."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

Ok, he's armed (per my opinion) as usual, see's some one suspicious, is he acting as a neighborhood watch member, or just a resident? Of course he could always lock his weapon in his vehicle, but in the heat of the moment he hurries out of his car to observe the suspicious individual.

(CNN) -- One month after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, nearly three out of four Americans say the police should arrest the neighborhood watch volunteer who pulled the trigger, according to a new national survey.

And the CNN/ORC International poll released Monday also indicates that three-quarters of the public says that neighborhood watch members should not be allowed to carry weapons.
(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-poll/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Someone please explain to me what the following things have to do with this case and why we are discussing them at length:

1) Trayvon's hoodie

2) Trayvon's body art (tattoos)

3) Trayvon's financial ability to afford said body art

4) A bag of Skittles

5) An iced tea

6) An empty bag of supposed marijuana that was never reported to LE or prosecuted and cannot even be confirmed as ever containing marijuana or belonging to Trayvon

They don't have anything to do with the homicide committed but that would not stop a lawyer from trying to use them if it goes to trial.

The exact same is done to rape victims.

1. They had sex with people who they were not married to.

2. They wore the blouses too low cut.

3. Wore their skirts to high.

4. They had rented an x rated video one time.

5. The car they were driving was to expensive, must have been hookin on the side.

It is all nonsense and just filthy defense lawyer tactics.

 

[Tulessa]

I did not have a high-pitched tone when I was 17. Maybe in my earlier teens... JMO

I'm going by what I heard....And I heard a teenager, not a 28 year old man.

 

[Roxye]

Speculation, but maybe he knows a tattoo artist and doesn't pay much, if anything, for the tattoos. According to this article, as of November 2011, tattoo artists in Florida didn't have to be licensed until January of 2012...So that to me says there were lax policies, and people wouldn't be deterred from at home shops...JMO

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...1_tattoo-artists-tattoo-shops-tattoo-industry

I haven't fingered a dog in this fight yet... (may be a bad choice of words) but as far as tattoos go, I have one! BUT!!!!!! My brother-in-law is a licensed tattoo artist... His daughter (my niece is a licensed tattoo artist), his son (my nephew is a licensed tattoo artist.)

If I wanted to be tattted from head to toe, I could be, without spending a dime!

That being said, there are a HUGE amount of people who do tats that aren't licensed! For the price one might pay for a 'licenced' tat, another might give it unlicensed for 10 bucks.

Tats mean nothing!

 

[m00c0w]

That's a he said she said situation. I can't see the family snitching on him and him dead. What purpose would that serve?

Why would the Martin family spokesperson lie, then? It was a direct quote.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Someone please explain to me what the following things have to do with this case and why we are discussing them at length:

1) Trayvon's hoodie

2) Trayvon's body art (tattoos)

3) Trayvon's financial ability to afford said body art

4) A bag of Skittles

5) An iced tea

6) An empty bag of supposed marijuana that was never reported to LE or prosecuted and cannot even be confirmed as ever containing marijuana or belonging to Trayvon

Well #6 was confirmed by the family attorney and there's nothing flimsy about that. The reason some of that stuff is relevant is that Trayvon was portrayed dishonestly in the media. If the skittles and tea are used to make him look innocent and child like, it's only fair to point out the mature nature of tattoos and the stuff on his twitter account, considering GZ said he was attacked I think we need all the facts. imo

 

[m00c0w]

Hmmm, sorta speaks volumes to me that one of Miami-Dade homicide detectives attended today's rally in Sanford in support of Trayvon and calling for justice.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778_p2/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

How is he any different from another citizen when it comes to this case? It's not like it was an SPD homicide detective.

 

[rossva]

I wouldn't actually call a six month program as divine intervention.

"Zimmerman entered a six-month pre-trial diversion program as part of a plea deal in that case, court documents show."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/...h-leader-blamed-for-teens-death#ixzz1qHV6zdRY

And from our very own member

http://www.richardhornsby.com/criminal/guide/alternatives.html


"Pretrial Diversion

Pretrial Diversion is a diversionary program run by the State Attorney's Office and is usually reserved for first time, nonviolent offenders. The diversion program is similar to probation, in that once you are accepted into the program you must report once a month to a supervising officer, undergo random drug testing, complete community service hours, and refrain from being involved in any criminal activity. Additionally, Pretrial Diversion requires the permission of the victim of the crime you are accused of committing. Your charges will be dropped upon successful completion of Pretrial Diversion."

Divine intervention. LE call it a "courtsey call". jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wouldn't actually call a six month program as divine intervention.

"Zimmerman entered a six-month pre-trial diversion program as part of a plea deal in that case, court documents show."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/...h-leader-blamed-for-teens-death#ixzz1qHV6zdRY

And from our very own member

http://www.richardhornsby.com/criminal/guide/alternatives.html


"Pretrial Diversion

Pretrial Diversion is a diversionary program run by the State Attorney's Office and is usually reserved for first time, nonviolent offenders. The diversion program is similar to probation, in that once you are accepted into the program you must report once a month to a supervising officer, undergo random drug testing, complete community service hours, and refrain from being involved in any criminal activity. Additionally, Pretrial Diversion requires the permission of the victim of the crime you are accused of committing. Your charges will be dropped upon successful completion of Pretrial Diversion."

LOL LOL I remember Ron Cummings went through that program too.

 

[rossva]

Well, imo, that is a very sorry excuse for a gated community. The gates at The Retreat at Twin Lakes only keep vehicles out, not uninvited pedestrians? Wow.

No. Pedestrians can come in, just not cars. There was a MSM map of where he might have come in, and it was behind houses, kind of through the woods, not the usual road.

Which is fine, really, if you have walked away to get skittles and tea.

It's all unclear.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

How is he any different from another citizen when it comes to this case? It's not like it was an SPD homicide detective.

He crossed the Blue Line.

 

[Quiche]

:jail:

 

[m00c0w]

LOL LOL I remember Ron Cummings went through that program too.

And that is relevant to this, how?

 

[Adrienne37]

How is he any different from another citizen when it comes to this case? It's not like it was an SPD homicide detective.

Then perhaps you are not familiar with this particular detective.

 

[christee]

"Trayvon Martin made a 911 call shortly before his death and the FBI is attempting to determine if that recording, which captured Zimmerman's voice in the background, can be audio enhanced to more clearly hear what was said."

From ABC7 Chicago news link below

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate§ion

 

[jjenny]

He crossed the Blue Line.

I don't understand why exactly is it assumed that police didn't want to arrest GZ? According to some sources it was a prosecutor that didn't think there was enough evidence to charge him with anything. So now the prosecutor has been replaced. And still no charges as of yet.

 

[m00c0w]

He crossed the Blue Line.

I think the original poster was implying that it somehow has a bearing on the legitimacy of the case... If one cop supports this "justice movement", then there has to be something wrong with the investigation.

 

[jjenny]

"Trayvon Martin made a 911 call shortly before his death and the FBI is attempting to determine if that recording, which captured Zimmerman's voice in the background, can be audio enhanced to more clearly hear what was said."

From ABC7 Chicago news link below

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate§ion

That's the only reporter to make this claim. I think what FBI is analyzing is Zimmerman's call to 911 (to see if there is a racial slur on it).

 

[LambChop]

I wouldn't actually call a six month program as divine intervention.

"Zimmerman entered a six-month pre-trial diversion program as part of a plea deal in that case, court documents show."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/...h-leader-blamed-for-teens-death#ixzz1qHV6zdRY

And from our very own member

http://www.richardhornsby.com/criminal/guide/alternatives.html


"Pretrial Diversion

Pretrial Diversion is a diversionary program run by the State Attorney's Office and is usually reserved for first time, nonviolent offenders. The diversion program is similar to probation, in that once you are accepted into the program you must report once a month to a supervising officer, undergo random drug testing, complete community service hours, and refrain from being involved in any criminal activity. Additionally, Pretrial Diversion requires the permission of the victim of the crime you are accused of committing. Your charges will be dropped upon successful completion of Pretrial Diversion."

I always thought an assault on a police officer was considered violent. I thought, too, that laying your hands on someone and shoving them was considered assault. Unless you are married to one, or you're their mother I don't suggest anyone try to touch them in any way, shape or form. They're very funny that way. jmo