17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[Wise Old Owl]

At the end of the call, the dispatcher asks GZ for his address - GZ begins to give it and the says, "I don't want to give that out, I don't know where this kid is." Only seconds later they hung up. So for two minutes, he did not know where Trayvon was. One to two minutes later, something happened.

7:09 GZ call to 911
7:13 -7:14 GZ hangs up
7:16 - 1st call to 911 from witnesses.

I've seen different times on when GZ's call went out, but the times are pretty consistent on when the 911 calls start. We are talking less than five minutes after he hung up.

That fits - 1 - 2 minutes (after he hangs up with 911) is the time he took to walk down that front sidewalk to get to the cut-through. Well, one minute and the second minute is the confrontation, fight and shot.




ETA: Maybe even GZ thought that by the time he came through that cut-through that Trayvon would be past it since he started running. He thought he was going to come out behind Trayvon and, instead ended up in front of him and then had no choice but to confront him.

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

Yep - Trayvon did NOT KNOW about that gun at first. I don't think he would have punched him if he did. Trayvon punches GZ - GZ hits the ground (and his head), goes to his waist for the gun and that's when Trayvon sees it. Screaming ensues, one shot, Trayvon is dead.

All in a matter of 60 - 120 seconds. Man that's fast.


How much longer are they going to let this all simmer? All the testing that needed to be done is (not doing any DNA tests - that we know of). So why are they keeping it all quiet and the nation in the dark?

Man, I hope we get something soon..................



JMHO

They would have to be moving in super slow motion for that little action to take up 1-2 full minutes. JMO

 

[jjenny]

Our lives would be so much easier if there were video cameras everywhere. Then we wouldn't have to speculate on what happened.

 

[rotterdam]

RBBM
:sigh:

So glad we all got to know the "real" him and what he thought. Is there a link to a psychic or some statement by TM? I also find it interesting that TM "liked to think he was a tough guy" while GZ "perhaps felt the same way."

Interesting how different opinions and perspective can be. WS is never short of those That's why I love it here, though. :rocker:

I think all male kids of around 17 like to act tough regardless of skin color :seeya:

 

[vlpate]

Yep - Trayvon did NOT KNOW about that gun at first. I don't think he would have punched him if he did. Trayvon punches GZ - GZ hits the ground (and his head), goes to his waist for the gun and that's when Trayvon sees it. Screaming ensues, one shot, Trayvon is dead.

All in a matter of 60 - 120 seconds. Man that's fast.


How much longer are they going to let this all simmer? All the testing that needed to be done is (not doing any DNA tests - that we know of). So why are they keeping it all quiet and the nation in the dark?

Man, I hope we get something soon..................



JMHO

I've seen the special prosecutor say she doesn't anticipate an arrest, and then I've seen her say it's possible. I think they are making sure no one will try and play the rush to judgment card. Maybe waiting on things to die down. It's come a long way from the sinister vigilante (for some), to there may have been a horrible encounter that went wrong because a gun was involved. JMO

 

[Yoda]

Yep - Trayvon did NOT KNOW about that gun at first. I don't think he would have punched him if he did. Trayvon punches GZ - GZ hits the ground (and his head), goes to his waist for the gun and that's when Trayvon sees it. Screaming ensues, one shot, Trayvon is dead.

All in a matter of 60 - 120 seconds. Man that's fast.


How much longer are they going to let this all simmer? All the testing that needed to be done is (not doing any DNA tests - that we know of). So why are they keeping it all quiet and the nation in the dark?

Man, I hope we get something soon..................



JMHO

Unfortunately now it is d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't for FBI, LE, everyone. What if they determine there isn't enough evidence to arrest him? Tbh I think they will arrest him even if they know 100% it was self defense.

 

[m00c0w]

Unfortunately now it is d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't for FBI, LE, everyone. What if they determine there isn't enough evidence to arrest him? Tbh I think they will arrest him even if they know 100% it was self defense.

And I would hope they get sued to high heaven. Mob mentality is not the way to go.

 

[rotterdam]

That I think fits with her story. I think they went out after they heard the shot, the guy told them to call 911 and she went to call 911. She doesn't seem to know the race of the person who was shot since she is asking the roommate what it is. She also talks about black guy standing up which makes me confused-did she mistake Zimmerman for a black guy or did someone else show up at the scene?

So GZ might have shot Tray from the prone position after Tray was done fighting. Or Tray managed to stand up after being shot?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

They would have to be moving in super slow motion for that little action to take up 1-2 full minutes. JMO

well we do have 40 seconds of scuffle and screaming on that one call. It did take GZ some time to walk down that front sidewalk - which is what he was doing while Trayvon was still on the phone with the gf. Then gf says she hears GZ walk up. A few words are exchanged and the call is dropped 7:16. First officer on scene 7:17. 40 seconds of fight we do have. There can't be much we're missing.



JMHO

 

[vlpate]

RBBM
:sigh:

So glad we all got to know the "real" him and what he thought. Is there a link to a psychic or some statement by TM? I also find it interesting that TM "liked to think he was a tough guy" while GZ "perhaps felt the same way."

Interesting how different opinions and perspective can be. WS is never short of those That's why I love it here, though. :rocker:

Guys like to think they're tough - I don't need a psychic to state the obvious. Children don't carry around marijuana - he put on his big boy pants for that.

 

[highflyer]

Unfortunately now it is d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't for FBI, LE, everyone. What if they determine there isn't enough evidence to arrest him? Tbh I think they will arrest him even if they know 100% it was self defense.

Who is Tbh?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

tbh = to be honest

 

[Yoda]

And I would hope they get sued to high heaven. Mob mentality is not the way to go.

I agree. Media has made this a circus. And still, with FBI taking over TM's parents are on Capitol hill, senators are wearing hoodies to congress, and the President commented. There will be no justice for GZ. The pitchforks and torches are out.

 

[highflyer]

tbh = to be honest

Thank you very much. So it should be, what is Tbh?

 

[rotterdam]

Speaking of Trayvon being "on" something...

I think Zimmerman was either "on" something or he was already very agitated for a reason that had nothing to do with Trayvon.

There are 6 of his past calls that were released. He does not curse in any of those calls IIRC.

Why is he so upset this time? Why is he calling names and acting so out of "character"?

In at least one other call he specifically says I don't want to approach the person. What's different this time?

It is late but did I see earlier in the thread that Oliver said GZ might have been drinking?.

 

[m00c0w]

well we do have 40 seconds of scuffle and screaming on that one call. It did take GZ some time to walk down that front sidewalk - which is what he was doing while Trayvon was still on the phone with the gf. Then gf says she hears GZ walk up. A few words are exchanged and the call is dropped 7:16. First officer on scene 7:17. 40 seconds of fight we do have. There can't be much we're missing.



JMHO

I say it makes a lot more sense that Martin felt threatened, decked Zimmerman, who crumpled, and Martin got him in the mount and started wailing on him, or at least grabbing onto his head/wrestling/whatever. During this, I think it would be very hard for Martin to have not realized Zimmerman had a gun if Zimmerman was carrying it in the front of his pants, considering Martin would probably be sitting directly on top of it. I imagine Martin realized what it was, what it meant, and started to go for it. That's when it turned into the "turning point" situation that the defense keeps talking about. Martin was probably grabbing onto the barrel of the gun, which is why the slide potentially did not fully actuate. The shot to the lower sternum would be about consistant with this position, as well. Because of how quickly Martin seemed to have succumbed, I'd venture to say he was hit in the aorta. The severe drop in blood pressure would have knocked him out in seconds.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

And I would hope they get sued to high heaven. Mob mentality is not the way to go.

Sadly, you're right. Frankly, I'm a little on edge here. If they decide self-defense, no arrest. Katy bar the door. Yes, I do believe there will be riots. Here, Sanford, and even far away - maybe Chicago who can tell? I don't think it will go well. Ugly will get uglier.




JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

It is late but did I see earlier in the thread that Oliver said GZ might have been drinking?.

During his encounter with LE back in 2005. He said that he hasn't seen Zimmerman drink since he's known him.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

It is late but did I see earlier in the thread that Oliver said GZ might have been drinking?.

I didn't see that at all.

 

[vlpate]

GZ's gun was concealed though. I just do not get it. Fighting for the gun while at the same time giving GZ a fat lip and a bloody nose while bouncing GZ's head on the pavement and all that in about 1 minute. Plus GZ managing to only fire one deadly well placed shot.
Just as clear as mud.

The first call came in that there was an altercation - I know for 45 seconds there was a struggle after one of the calls, and there had to be struggling before then or the woman would not have called.