17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[wishuwerehere]

Let's get something straight. Trayvon Martin is the VICTIM here. Zimmerman followed Trayvon, confronted him, and shot him DEAD. I don't care if Zimmerman got thumped on the head or not. That's what happens when you pick a fight with someone. Zimmerman is a muderer and must be arrested.

Also the Sanford PD should be revamped. They have made a mockery out of investigating crime.

jmo

 

[Rob774]

I haven't posted in a few days, i basically had to walk away. I've read ALL of the threads, all of the posts, and i don't know what else to say anymore. To me, this case was over the minute Zimmerman stepped from his car. He needed to tell the police where he was going? Why? What was Martin doing that prompted him to be followed.

Now we have the negative slights coming out about Martin... all irrelevant IMO. Because nothing he was doing that night when Zimmerman approached him reference any past activity. At this point, i won't allow myself to get worked up any longer, because <mod snip> minds are made up, and no matter what anyone says, their minds will not change. What we do know is a child is dead, and we know he would not be dead if Zimmerman stayed in his car. And to me, no matter what. he lost the case of self defenese when he approached Martin, armed with a weapon.

 

[vlpate]

Um, yes, but the poster asked to see current photos now, that's why I told him about the current photo. And there were all different photos of trayvon that came out. HE had just turned 17, the photos weren't all that old, it's not like he was 30 and they were showing all baby pictures.

So now we see a current photo and he looked like a normal kid.

Why in this case, his photo is a deciding factor in him getting justice is beyond me. I've seen case after case where families post pictures of their murdered or missing child that weren't current.

Maybe we should question why they're now showing picture of GZ in a suit and tie and what looks like a tux? Was he wearing either of those when he gunned down Trayvon? Does it really matter as far as the murder goes? Are they trying to say in those pics that because he's wearing a suit and tie and what looks like a tux, he can't possibly have killed anyone??

JMHO

Why is it important they show the truth on the media? Zimmerman's life will never be the same no matter what the outcome of this is. If Trayvon attacked him, as police claim, it's likely the people who made up their minds will never change their minds because the image of this monster gunning down and murdering an innocent child will be forever branded in their minds. It won't matter what the truth is, one young man is dead and the other has been judged and convicted based on media manipulation. I do not see how anyone can be ok with that.

When this story first broke I was watching from the kitchen - I heard a little boy had been shot down and they were going to play the audio of HIS screams. For two days I turned the TV down every time they started to play the audio, I couldn't bear to hear that sweet little boy screaming help.

I came here, did some research and listened to the 911 call - because, after reading the circumstances, there became the possibility that it was Zimmerman yelling for help, and not Trayvon. Why do I think that's possible? Common sense. People with guns held on them either run or try to grab the gun, they don't scream for help, if anything they become even more quiet in order not to agitate the person with the gun who only needs to pull the trigger to shut them up.

So, why would Trayvon be screaming? I find it hard to believe he was screaming "help" because a chubby short guy was getting the best of him.

 

[whiteangora]

No, that picture is Trayvon. The ones you are thinking of are clearly more... demonizing.

I don't know what to believe....is it him or not? If it is him then I would think the now deleted Twiter account and tweets are his too? If they are, why have they been deleted and if he did have a T account where is it? :waitasec:
Not that it matters, but there's just so much unverified "news" flying around I'm getting dizzy.

 

[HiHater]

Hopefully the EMT who treated GZ helped him make an informed rational decision. JMO.

I think we will find out that the particular EMT who treated GZ helped him make the BEST decision. JMO

 

[tambo]

The deception in the pictures portraying TM have nothing to with race - I would be just as angry if it were a white kid whose parents were showing their innocent angel and trying to hide the fact that at 17 he may have a different look that seems more menacing and let me tell you, white, hispanic, whatever race of teen male can look suspicious depending on their attire and conduct. Hey. Cops do the same thing to the white kids here when they are out late. They stop them and question them and sometimes bust them.

It is the deception that is causing a race baited frenzy. Dividing us by race is destructive. BTW, the press called GZ a "white hispanic." What is that? It is a way to race bait and get people to read the story and pay attention, but it does a disservice to us all.

the only reason race even comes into this is because zimmerman brought it in with HIS comments.....btw i'm white and i'm outraged...as is almost every single person I have spoken to about this...they want to know what happened..I don't know anyone that cares what color his skin is..IDK. maybe i live in weird place.. the division may actual be between racist and people that aren't...I just don't know...but theres no division around me

 

[m00c0w]

I did not post that at all. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and not pursued on foot - this would not have happened.

<mod snip> I think everyone can agree that he should not have pursued Martin on foot, but that's not what happened in reality. The entire quandary here is whether Zimmerman had a right to defend himself from that attack. <mod snip>

 

[miimaa]

It was raining out and that says to me he was standing over Trayvon pinning him down just as witnesses said they didn't see any injuries to GZ and both said it was NOT self defense

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86368480/Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Initial-Report

 

[Dr.Fessel]

BBM

IDK my friend. Do you think for 1 second President Obama wanted the newer picture on AOL this morning released after saying this?:



It's a game played by the players of this mess.

Oh I agree, the media is the big winner in all this and I knew Obama was taking a big chance getting involved in it and I understood early on in the case when his spokesman said the White House had no comment.

The only politics that should be in the case is looking at the law and fixing the problems with it or getting rid of it.

 

[m00c0w]

I don't know what to believe....is it him or not? If it is him then I would think the now deleted Twiter account and tweets are his too? If they are, why have they been deleted and if he did have a T account where is it? :waitasec:
Not that it matters, but there's just so much unverified "news" flying around I'm getting dizzy.

That picture is him, as verified by his twitter account. I don't believe the validity of the twitter account has been contested, given the matching birthdays, nicknames, friends, and tweets relating to his death from these individuals.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Just can't have it both ways\

Either, He actually had a bleeding scalp laceration and a story of his head being slammed against the pavement...even ONCE, then he should and the EMT should have made it a point to tell him how important it would be to get checked out....


Or the injuries were not as they have been described, they were superficial and non threatening...one way or the other, not both

If they were superficial and non threatening I am going to have a very difficult time believing that he shot in fear of his life IMO JMHO and stuff.

The statue says that force is allowable to prevent great bodily harm, not that you must suffer the great bodily harm and then use the force.

(3)&#8195;A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

 

[Inabsentia]

I am not referring to photos of TM. I am referring to past illegal behavior (tagging and possible theft). Someone posted a link (it might have been yesterday) that showed he was found with women's jewelry and a screwdriver on him. He said someone had given him the jewelry but wouldn't say who. I don't have the link so I will say this is all OMO, JMO, MOO.

I just wanted to point out that all graffiti is not "tagging". Tagging is a very particular type of graffiti typically associated with gangs and almost always containing the person's name. There is no indication that tagging is what Trayvon did, in fact his school does not call it that. No evidence has been brought forth that Trayvon has been involved in gang activity that I have seen. moo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Zimmerman said Martin had his hand in his waistband. He reported that to the 911, why?

The only thing I can think of is because it indicated he might have had a gun in his waistband.

So Zimmerman thinking Martin might be armed runs after him chasing a teen he thinks might be armed.

I bet he was pumped up with adrenaline ready for Martin to pull that gun at any time.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Let's get something straight. Trayvon Martin is the VICTIM here. Zimmerman followed Trayvon, confronted him, and shot him DEAD. I don't care if Zimmerman got thumped on the head or not. That's what happens when you pick a fight with someone. Zimmerman is a muderer and must be arrested.

Also the Sanford PD should be revamped. They have made a mockery out of investigating crime.

jmo

It's not thy easy to "get straight".

That's the point.

There are factors of this case that point to self defense.
It's still being investigated.

So, no. It's not considered "fact" at this point that Zimmerman is a murderer and should be arrested.

 

[HiHater]

The statue says that force is allowable to prevent great bodily harm, not that you must suffer the great bodily harm and then use the force.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

This is exactly why I think the first punch from Trayvon---if it happened that way---is completely irrelevant. JMO

 

[Sensei]

I think we will find out that the particular EMT who treated GZ helped him make the BEST decision. JMO

Yes, of course, the BEST decision when you have superficial injuries that nobody would believe you got in a fight for your life, then of course you don't go to the hospital to have them documented, you let the EMT do it in the back of the squad car, and then all you have to worry about is the EMT's trip sheet, and what he LE officer says, you don't have to worry about all that pesky paperwork that could come back and bite you on the keister when you are claiming self defense IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Inabsentia]

I'm not sure what this has to do with the question that was asked, specifically regarding why Zimmerman was allowed to own a weapon. Thanks.

I suppose that it doesn't directly, but this is hardly a unique example of bringing up things that don't directly relate to the incident itself. I happened to find it less tangential than many. Moo

 

[miimaa]

< mod snip > I think everyone can agree that he should not have pursued Martin on foot, but that's not what happened in reality. The entire quandary here is whether Zimmerman had a right to defend himself from that attack. < mod snip>

No I did not post that. Here is my exact post

Whatever Zimmerman was thinking he was in the wrong for following Trayvon. Zimmerman was suspicious but he should have stayed in his car. He made the 911 call, he should have waited and none of this would have happened. I do believe that GZ was watching TM, TM ditched GZ, that GZ went on foot trying to find TM, that TM came up behind GZ and knocked him to the ground, that a scuffle ensued, that GZ then shot TM. A tragedy that should not have happened.

"A tragedy that should not have happened" is the ENTIRE episode. I believe TM did come up behind GZ and knock him to the ground. I believe GZ did shoot TM after having his head smashed into the sidewalk. If GZ had stayed in his car - allowing the call to 911 to be sufficient - none of this would have happened.

 

[LambChop]

That's another of my problems with these stories. If the family considers him a *child*, then why, if he went out for a ten minute walk to get snacks, didn't someone go out looking for him when it got to be midnight? If my *child* left my home before 7:00 pm., to go on a short errand, and they weren't home by 10:00 pm., I'd be out in my car, retracing their route, visit the convenience store to see if they'd made it there, etc. If the family considered TM a *child*, why didn't they go looking for their child?

Of course he's a 'young man' and not a *child*, so why keep referring to him as a 'child' and a 'little boy' as some of the news sources and witnesses have? I don't consider a 6'3" 160 pound kid a *child* or *little boy*. But even so, if he was my kid, I'd still be looking for him when he didn't return by midnight. And I'd never have thought of calling the cops to see if he'd been arrested unless I had a suspicion he might be in trouble due to prior experiences. I'd be calling all the hospitals to see if anyone matching my kids description might have been brought in. Thinking maybe he got hit by a car on his 10 minute walk along a very busy road. JMO

He's legally a child having just turned 17. I believe most of us feel our 17 year olds are capable to walking to the store and back without getting into trouble. No one ever said he was a little boy only that he thinks and acts like a 17 year old. Most of them do. Does not mean they are up to no good which is pretty much how GZ was judging him. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

Zimmerman said Martin had his hand in his waistband. He reported that to the 911, why?

The only thing I can think of is because it indicated he might have had a gun in his waistband.

So Zimmerman thinking Martin might be armed runs after him chasing a teen he thinks might be armed.

I bet he was pumped up with adrenaline ready for Martin to pull that gun at any time.

Or, he could have been legitimately reaching down at his waistband. If he was wearing the traditional saggy pants, that's very common. I see it all the time.