17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[tambo]

BBM

I am not thinking that and I don't think most people on here think that at all. I don't even know if anyone on here thinks that.

I am not thinking that either...I do think he over stepped his bounds, I do think trayvon was scared, I think it could and should have all been avoided...and I have a hard time believing that tray circled back and jumped him..I am not disputing what zimmerman said to the cops, i would expect him to say that if it were true or not...i'm pretty sure if it had been him that perhaps grabbed tray's shirt and then tray defended him self, got the better hand and zimmerman shot him...i sure as heck don't think he would say that...does anybody think he would increminate himself...thats why we are upset,, nobody understands why they just took his word for it and didn't truly investigate...thats all we want..

can anyone really deny that the police work was a little bit shoddy?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Back of his jacket was wet, I don't believe is says anything about the rest of his clothes.

"I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head"

In the report it clearly states "as if he had been layin on his back". Nothing about just the jacket being wet. It sounds as if the entire back of his body was wet and covered with grass.

 

[Sensei]

All head injuries leave people unable to make rational decisions?

People often do not make rational decision when it comes to a head injury simply because they do not know what the consequences are, they do not know that they can suddenly and with no other warning have a seizure or go blind or lose their life....and unless they are told by a trained medical professional which we have to believe that the EMT IS, then no, between not being aware and confusion from the blow to the head, it is not sufficient to simply say that they made an informed rational decision not to get treatment.
IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Again, I'm not questioning that he had them. I'm questioning why there would be deception in the media if it wasn't clear that's what he was actually doing at the time.

Not deception but sexing up the story, making the story a hot topic to get emotions up so when they play the story they upset people, get their stress levels up so when that advertiser comes on with the great thing to eat, the great pair of shoes or the new set of golf clubs the viewer goes out and buys them.

That is where the money is and that is how and why they pick the stories to tell and tweak them with little things to spice them up.

Most cable news stations don't give a damn about justice it is all about getting the consumer upset.

 

[gxm]

well I for one, am not outraged because tm is black and zimmerman is white/hispanic whatever, i really don't care,, i'm outraged because a young man is dead and i don't believe that the matter was looked at fully...and honestly i haven't seen any posts on this board by people like me who think this needs to be investigated that have been throwing around any race card...I have however seen others do it...this comparison of black on black crime is very bothersome to me...I feel like i am being called a racist almost because i want to know the truth about what happened here in this situation

As previously stated, I wasn't referring to anyone on this board. I was referring to the people across the nation who normally don't follow crime cases. The people who are showing up for the marches and the walk-outs. The people who are accusing GZ of a hate crime and comparing this case to Emmett Till.

I agree that this case was not properly investigated. But comparing it to Emmett Till and/or a real hate crime, such as the murder of Craig Anderson, is a huge overstatement. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc.

Links:
http://politic365.com/2012/03/25/is-trayvon-martin-our-emmett-till-moment/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/11524338-418/trayvon-linked-to-emmett-till.html
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-killing-has-galvanized-country-rodney-king

 

[rbrnmw2]

Back of his jacket was wet, I don't believe is says anything about the rest of his clothes.

It was raining out and that says to me he was standing over Trayvon pinning him down just as witnesses said they didn't see any injuries to GZ and both said it was NOT self defense

 

[ziggy]

The deception in the pictures portraying TM have nothing to with race - I would be just as angry if it were a white kid whose parents were showing their innocent angel and trying to hide the fact that at 17 he may have a different look that seems more menacing and let me tell you, white, hispanic, whatever race of teen male can look suspicious depending on their attire and conduct. Hey. Cops do the same thing to the white kids here when they are out late. They stop them and question them and sometimes bust them.

It is the deception that is causing a race baited frenzy. Dividing us by race is destructive. BTW, the press called GZ a "white hispanic." What is that? It is a way to race bait and get people to read the story and pay attention, but it does a disservice to us all.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Also from the first report:

Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state, “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.”

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/new...s.html?cid=6a00d83451b4ba69e2016303576100970d

 

[m00c0w]

Not deception but sexing up the story, making the story a hot topic to get emotions up so when they play the story they upset people, get their stress levels up so when that advertiser comes on with the great thing to eat, the great pair of shoes or the new set of golf clubs the viewer goes out and buys them.

That is where the money is and that is how and why they pick the stories to tell and tweak them with little things to spice them up.

Most cable news stations don't give a damn about justice it is all about getting the consumer upset.

That's about the most plausible explanation I've heard. Thank you.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It was raining out and that says to me he was standing over Trayvon pinning him down just as witnesses said they didn't see any injuries to GZ and both said it was NOT self defense

But that's not what the report says. It never said just his jacket.
It says his back was wet and was covered with grass.
Your back does not get covered with grass from standing over someone pinning them down. Actually, it would be the opposite. IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

People often do not make rational decision when it comes to a head injury simply because they do not know what the consequences are, they do not know that they can suddenly and with no other warning have a seizure or go blind or lose their life....and unless they are told by a trained medical professional which we have to believe that the EMT IS, then no, between not being aware and confusion from the blow to the head, it is not sufficient to simply say that they made an informed rational decision not to get treatment.
IMO JMHO and stuff

Hopefully the EMT who treated GZ helped him make an informed rational decision. JMO.

 

[Inabsentia]

He was never convicted of a crime. You can't restrict someone's constitutional rights for not being convicted of violent crimes.

But you can impugn their rights to go the store and buy skittles? Trayvon Martin was never convicted of a crime. As far as we know never even arrested for one, unlike George Zimmerman. Moo

 

[wishuwerehere]

I think most people can agree that Zimmerman overstepped his bounds. I think the contention here is that it's not clear who was the main aggressor. We have one side painting Zimmerman as this rogue agent who was out to kill a black kid, while on the other side we have Martin being portrayed as a who was up to no good. The real question lies at who assaulted who first. The following did lead up to that, yes, and it was incredibly stupid of Zimmerman to do so. However, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman was required to pay for it with his life if that is what actually happened.

BBM - GZ hasn't paid for anything. Trayvon was killed by Zimmerman. Travyon paid for GZ's stupdity with HIS life.

Zimmerman needs to be arrested immediately.

 

[gxm]

I beg to differ, I think each and every day it shows more and more that who Trayvon was, a black kid isn't going to get justice based on old stereotypes, that's why his picture seems to be so paramount to the case.

That kid just MUST be guilty, he can't be a victim, how dare his parents portray him as a good kid, what are they hiding. When over and over we've seen families put out pictures of their misisng and murdered loved ones from all different ages..

And also because there is NOTHING in his past that showed a history of violence on his part. He was found with only skittles and iced tea, now even that is supect.

There's been nothing dug up that showed he was a criminal, he had suspensions, not a bearing or a fact in his murder, he smoked pot, good heavens, how many kids drink and smoke pot, but wham, he's a drug dealing gang banger so he's a violent attacker.

ETA: Personally, I don't care if TM had been found with a backpack full of spray paint and locksmith tools, he should not have been shot dead. IMO, GZ way over reacted and if he hadn't had a gun on him, TM would still be alive. However, I don't think the evidence for a hate crime in this case is strong. But, sadly, that's not stopping the witch hunt.

And the main issue isn't even that GZ had no right to think he was suspicious or even call 911, no one has EVER said that. HE chose to go after him, HE chose to tail him with a loaded weapon. HE's the one with the proven aggession problems.

Others can't be blamed for reacting to GZ's own words and actions, calling him an Effin **** or these a****** always get away while he's chasing him down.

JMHO

I am not referring to photos of TM. I am referring to past illegal behavior (tagging and possible theft). Someone posted a link (it might have been yesterday) that showed he was found with women's jewelry and a screwdriver on him. He said someone had given him the jewelry but wouldn't say who. I don't have the link so I will say this is all OMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[Concerned Papa]

You know I thought about that and it is kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't for the media.

Do you think for 1 second Zimmerman wanted that newer picture of him released with a bounty on his head?

BBM

IDK my friend. Do you think for 1 second President Obama wanted the newer picture on AOL this morning released after saying this?:

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57403200-503544/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon/

It's a game played by the players of this mess.

 

[miimaa]

So you feel that because Zimmerman was following Martin for a short period of time, he deserved to be potentially beaten to death? We have several posters on here that talk about the gravity of head injuries, but he would have been remiss in defending himself if this really was the case?

I did not post that at all. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and not pursued on foot - this would not have happened.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am not referring to photos of TM. I am referring to past illegal behavior (tagging and possible theft). Someone posted a link (it might have been yesterday) that showed he was found with women's jewelry and a screwdriver on him. He said someone had given him the jewelry but wouldn't say who. I don't have the link so I will say this is all OMO, JMO, MOO.

Here's a link to an article about the tagging/jewelry.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

 

[m00c0w]

But you can impugn there rights to go the store and buy skittles? Trayvon Martin was never convicted of a crime. As far as we know never even arrested for one, unlike George Zimmerman. Moo

I'm not sure what this has to do with the question that was asked, specifically regarding why Zimmerman was allowed to own a weapon. Thanks.

 

[Sensei]

Hopefully the EMT who treated GZ helped him make an informed rational decision. JMO.

Just can't have it both ways\

Either, He actually had a bleeding scalp laceration and a story of his head being slammed against the pavement...even ONCE, then he should and the EMT should have made it a point to tell him how important it would be to get checked out....


Or the injuries were not as they have been described, they were superficial and non threatening...one way or the other, not both

If they were superficial and non threatening I am going to have a very difficult time believing that he shot in fear of his life IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[highflyer]

It is disturbing that Zimmerman's picture being used is clearly meant to induce ill feelings while young Martin's is of a fresh faced smiling boy.