17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[m00c0w]

I don't even know what your point is. The original poster linked to a blog, you had a problem with there being no sourcing. The blog uses one source and makes that clear.

The poster here linked to the blog and clearly stated his own opinion before doing so.

None of this is helpful. IMO

The problem was that the blog only said "WFTV said...", and did not provide a link to substantiate their claims. There was an article on WFTV's website, it turns out, so I'm not sure why that wasn't linked when it contained more direct information.

 

[Emeralgem]

In reference to myself I do not view TM as being any kind of sweet angel however I do view Zimmerman as being a wannabe cop though.. He played cop when he made the dcision to chase Trayvon down despite a suggestion from dispatch not to follow him....IIRC.. GZ said... OK..IMHO saying OK is an agreement to follow the advice given to him by dispatch....JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

I do not understand why Zimmerman was allowed to carry a gun when he had resisted arrest and assaulted a police officer and his girlfriend.

He was never convicted of a crime. You can't restrict someone's constitutional rights for not being convicted of violent crimes.

 

[gxm]

I read several times last night, people parroting Sharpton's remarks yesterday, "well he didn't know Trayvon's past when he shot him". That's not the point - his past brings to light the possibility that Trayvon could well have been up to something, like theft or destroying property, and he could have been on drugs. No, Zimmerman didn't know that but dang, we do - we know that now - why act like we don't? Doesn't matter whether GZ was aware of TM's past, the possibility that TM was acting suspicious is absolutely there. Do we know for a fact he made a racial slur? No. Has Zimmerman shown signs of racism in the past? Not one person has said he was the least bit racist. His good friend is black and speaking up for him.

Does it change the fact that this was a horrible tragedy? No. Should Zimmerman have been arrested? I don't know, probably. Is he evil incarnate? Not from what I've seen... but I doubt it. Should this be a witch hunt. NO.

ITA. The info about TM's past refutes the racial profiling angle that is being (IMO, wrongly) pushed. Those who are convinced this case is an issue of race (and not, as I believe, of bad legislation) don't want to hear it because it raises the reasonable doubt that perhaps TM was casing houses or up to no good. That perhaps GZ read his behavior/posture better than the rest of us who weren't even there.

I abhor the vigilante fervor that is taking over our country. To my mind, there is no question that the killing of an unarmed 17-year old (or 7-year old or 57-year old!) should be thoroughly and rigorously investigated. For whatever reason, reasons I can't even guess at, that did not occur. But that is not GZ's fault. And it does not make him guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I must admit, I'm very bothered by the image the media has used for GZ. When I saw the more recent picture of him in a shirt and tie, smiling and looking slimmer, I was stunned. IMO, they are using that old mug shot (where he looks like a mean, angry ) to paint a false picture. JMO, MOO, OMO, etc.

You know I thought about that and it is kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't for the media.

Do you think for 1 second Zimmerman wanted that newer picture of him released with a bounty on his head?

 

[Isabelle]

The circumstances seem contrived, not that he went to the store to get some candy. I've never claimed that. I'm saying that two stories are not meshing, and I'm not sure why that is.

I don't think it sounds contrived at all. A 17 year old walking a long way to the store, chatting with his girlfriend or other friends on his cell. Do we have the log to see if Trayvon spoke to his girlfriend more than once that day?

 

[m00c0w]

In reference to myself I do not view TM as being any kind of sweet angel however I do view Zimmerman as being a wannabe cop though.. He played cop when he made the dcision to chase Trayvon down despite a suggestion from dispatch not to follow him....IIRC.. GZ said... OK..IMHO saying OK is an agreement to follow the advice given to him by dispatch....JMHO

I think most people can agree that Zimmerman overstepped his bounds. I think the contention here is that it's not clear who was the main aggressor. We have one side painting Zimmerman as this rogue agent who was out to kill a black kid, while on the other side we have Martin being portrayed as a who was up to no good. The real question lies at who assaulted who first. The following did lead up to that, yes, and it was incredibly stupid of Zimmerman to do so. However, that doesn't mean that Zimmerman was required to pay for it with his life if that is what actually happened.

 

[cityslick]

So the public will decide based on pictures? That's not what's important here. Even if I never saw what GZ or Trayvon looked like, I'd still be outraged. "Looks" is what caused this to begin with, IMO

It's called sensationalism. I didn't say what happened wasn't tragic, an outrage or anything else of the sort.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

One of my daughters was in a serious accident, broadsided by someone who ran a red light, totaled her car. When the EMT's came, she refused to go with them, had to sign a waver. It wasn't till the next day that her injuries became extremely painful and she went to the hospital. Sometimes when we incur a trauma, the extent of it isn't apparent until hours later IMO.

I worked in insurance for years as an adjuster. I can tell you that this happens A LOT.

 

[m00c0w]

I don't think it sounds contrived at all. A 17 year old walking a long way to the store, chatting with his girlfriend or other friends on his cell. Do we have the log to see if Trayvon spoke to his girlfriend more than once that day?

So, the brother knew Trayvon went to the store to get him candy... But the father still thought he was with his cousin? That is the discrepancy I'm talking about. I don't doubt he picked up the skittles and tea - that's pretty evident. I'm saying that we don't have a clear timeline of when this happened, and the various reports seem to be conflicting.

 

[flourish]

One of my daughters was in a serious accident, broadsided by someone who ran a red light, totaled her car. When the EMT's came, she refused to go with them, had to sign a waver. It wasn't till the next day that her injuries became extremely painful and she went to the hospital. Sometimes when we incur a trauma, the extent of it isn't apparent until hours later IMO.

Which is exactly why one should get checked out even when one does believe at the time that it is necessary. imo hth

 

[Deleted member 39678]

How many different links do you want to the symptoms of a head injury? I will provide them if you like, here is one http://www.drugs.com/cg/minor-head-injury.html




LE and the EMT KNEW that Zimmerman was claiming a head injury, and with a head injury even a "Minor head injury" which is the site I gave you, these and other things are the common symptoms

So what you are saying is that Zimmerman actually did have his head slammed into the pavement, and there was a laceration on his scalp to prove it, and the EMT who would know very well, that one of the symptoms of a head injury is confusion , trouble thinking and remembering, which also includes trouble making rational decisions, simply took his word for it that he did not want to go to the hospital and put his life in danger

Maybe that's how they do it in Florida, but here if there is any doubt, such as the common symptoms of your injury causing you to make a decision that is not in your best interest, then you would be taken to hospital.

All head injuries leave people unable to make rational decisions?

 

[miimaa]

Because he realized his self-defense claim would be harder to believe if he didn't have any documentation of alleged injuries?

Police report from that night states Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and back of the headhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/86368480/Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Initial-Report

 

[Adrienne37]

I have to disagree that anyone feels Trayvon deserved to be shot! The way I see it is many people want to believe Zimmerman chased down a young innocent lad and he's getting away with it.

Whatever Zimmerman was thinking he was in the wrong for following Trayvon. Zimmerman was suspicious but he should have stayed in his car. He made the 911 call, he should have waited and none of this would have happened. I do believe that GZ was watching TM, TM ditched GZ, that GZ went on foot trying to find TM, that TM came up behind GZ and knocked him to the ground, that a scuffle ensued, that GZ then shot TM. A tragedy that should not have happened.

and this is exactly the point. Zimmerman should have never followed him in the first place especially after he was told by 911 not to.

WE DO NOT NEED YOU TO DO THAT.


~jmo~

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Was your daughter being taken in for questioning after she murdered someone?

Just curious, thanks.

IMO that's not important.

Her point was that sometimes injuries become worse hours later. It's a fact.

Again, he was treated by SFD at the scene before SPD transported him.

 

[Isabelle]

How many different links do you want to the symptoms of a head injury? I will provide them if you like, here is one http://www.drugs.com/cg/minor-head-injury.html




LE and the EMT KNEW that Zimmerman was claiming a head injury, and with a head injury even a "Minor head injury" which is the site I gave you, these and other things are the common symptoms

So what you are saying is that Zimmerman actually did have his head slammed into the pavement, and there was a laceration on his scalp to prove it, and the EMT who would know very well, that one of the symptoms of a head injury is confusion , trouble thinking and remembering, which also includes trouble making rational decisions, simply took his word for it that he did not want to go to the hospital and put his life in danger

Maybe that's how they do it in Florida, but here if there is any doubt, such as the common symptoms of your injury causing you to make a decision that is not in your best interest, then you would be taken to hospital.

OT, but I once argued with EMT's and Fire department at the scene of an accident, when they told the young girl lying on the ground that she looked okay and was there someone they could call to give her a ride home. I told EMT and Fire dept that she HAD to go to the ER because the left side of her head and face were twice as large as the right side and i also told the young girl, she agreed. WTF is all I can say! Oh, BTW, this was a young black girl.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Which is exactly why one should get checked out even when one does believe at the time that it is necessary. imo hth

But some injuries do not show up right after. It can take hours or days for some injuries to show up. Some never "show up" on tests. Like soft tissue injuries for example.

 

[m00c0w]

I have to disagree that anyone feels Trayvon deserved to be shot! The way I see it is many people want to believe Zimmerman chased down a young innocent lad and he's getting away with it.

Whatever Zimmerman was thinking he was in the wrong for following Trayvon. Zimmerman was suspicious but he should have stayed in his car. He made the 911 call, he should have waited and none of this would have happened. I do believe that GZ was watching TM, TM ditched GZ, that GZ went on foot trying to find TM, that TM came up behind GZ and knocked him to the ground, that a scuffle ensued, that GZ then shot TM. A tragedy that should not have happened.

So you feel that because Zimmerman was following Martin for a short period of time, he deserved to be potentially beaten to death? We have several posters on here that talk about the gravity of head injuries, but he would have been remiss in defending himself if this really was the case?

 

[Isabelle]

All head injuries leave people unable to make rational decisions?

And caution must be exercised in the case of a traumatic head injury, no matter what the victim thinks.

 

[gxm]

I wonder if it has anything to do with availability of photos, both the literal access to the photos, and the legal rights to them. I'd think the mug shot one would be the one they had first, so that is why it was shown first?
imo
hth

I think you're probably right. But it bothered me that CNN is still running the old photo. The newer one is available which makes it seem to me that it doesn't convey the story line they want to push. JMO, of course.