17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #13

[m00c0w]

It was in his backpack, TM tagged a locker. Backpacks in school are always subject to a search. No arrest and no suspension for having those items on him just suspended for tagging. Sounds as if the school resolved the issue and found TM had done nothing wrong. How do you HIDE stuff in school??? In this day and age it seems that would be the last place you would want to hide something.... No arrest, no crime. It's a dead end and a dead issue. jmo

BBM

Not necessarily. They couldn't locate an owner, period. That's not quite the same thing as finding out they weren't stolen.

 

[Etilema]

Another problem that I have with this whole thing is that Zimmerman was trying to protect his neighborhood, yes? And make the people that lived in that neighborhood and their guests feel safe, yes? But on that night, because of Zimmerman's actions and his decision to not only follow Trayvon but to also follow Trayvon with a loaded gun, Zimmerman actually caused his neighbors to be fearfull. He, in my opinion, terrorized them himself. Below is a link to the 911 call that breaks my heart when I listen to it. This poor woman is beside herself, blames herself for not being able to do more for the young man that was killed. There was no reason at all for this to have happened. The police where on route, Zimmerman knew they were on route and could have and should have allowed them to handle it. He didn't and now not only is a young man dead, but Zimmerman's own neighbor now feels even less secure in her own home.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html
Click on the Trayvon Martin Investigation link, then call 7

I agree. Many of the neighbors seem to have been traumatized by this event, especially if they heard that pitiful wail for help. It's like they have survivor guilt just having been innocent bystanders.

JMO

ETA: That 911 operator was exceptionally supportive, imo.

 

[tehcloser]

I was at work last night and we have two 16 fixing to turn 17 year old boys working there. One is about the same height and build of Trayvon. He has worked there for awhile, the other one only started this weekend. Anyway, when we slowed down they introduced themselves to each other. I stood there listening to them talk about their sports teams and who played who, girls, cars...you know 16 year old things. And it broke my heart, because I thought about those conversations Tray will never have.

A child is dead. And reading how some are trying to turn him into a thief and worse is sickening. Does it bother anyone that they may be trashing a good kids reputation? Or is this world so ******up that no one cares anymore? I'm ashamed for the state of humanity today. People need to look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

 

[songline]

Maybe because they took GZ to the station in handcuffs and assumed that they would arrest him. They took him in handcuffed not like some HERO.
If this is such a racist police deptatment...why didn't they just shake his hand and send him home. They handcuffed him and took him in!

Maybe the evidence and the facts under Fla law did not support an arrest. Lookhow long Casey Anthony swanned around...and millions of taxpayer dollars later, she's free as a bird because the jury did not think the evidence sufficent.

It is not a secret that the Seminole Police is a poor excuse for a Police department.
They are also known to put things under a rug, they are also suspected of racial bias.


They did hand cuff him and bring him in. You cannot investigate in one evening.
An investigation takes time, and it is even more urgent when one can tell his side and the other can't.
Again - I am not jumping on GZ NO...
I see that if there was a proper through investigation we would not have a fiasco.

Just got off the phone with a friend in Orlando – she is not interested in the case enough to follow it.
only because the Seminole Police is in the mix and she sais we do not trust them.

 

[LambChop]

You certainly are entitled to your personal bias.

For me, I have no problem admitting we just do not know. I am not saying he is innocent, I'm not saying he is guilty. What we DO know is that the professional call made was no crime was committed.

To "have a hunch" or a "feeling" that he is guilty is bias plain and simple. IMO

I think the key here is that TM's parents were never informed and that tells me the school found out the truth. They can't very well release information to the press about a minor who had nothing to do with this crime. For them to even suggest someone else was involved might cause the media to sleuth this child out. If TM was never charged by the school or LE it sounds as if the mystery was solved. And we have no right to violate the rights of another minor just to satisfy our curiosity. jmo

 

[Etilema]

It is interesting that the assumption made by the callers to 911 seems to be that the guy who ends up getting shot is the one who was screaming. None that I have heard so far seem to respond, "Wow, I'm sure glad that that poor guy who was screaming was able to shoot the guy who was attacking him." I am not saying I know why it is that they make that assumption; just wondering what led them to conclude that the screams were from the one who got shot. Like that poor woman whose call was mentioned above--she is torn up thinking she should have helped, rather than thinking, "Thank goodness that poor guy was able to defend himself!"

 

[songline]

I was at work last night and we have two 16 fixing to turn 17 year old boys working there. One is about the same height and build of Trayvon. He has worked there for awhile, the other one only started this weekend. Anyway, when we slowed down they introduced themselves to each other. I stood there listening to them talk about their sports teams and who played who, girls, cars...you know 16 year old things. And it broke my heart, because I thought about those conversations Tray will never have.

A child is dead. And reading how some are trying to turn him into a thief and worse is sickening. Does it bother anyone that they may be trashing a good kids reputation? Or is this world so ******up that no one cares anymore? I'm ashamed for the state of humanity today. People need to look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

I see your point.. This bothers me much more.
"Witch Hunt"
It is imperative to get character reference on both
We cannot paint GZ as a mad man and TM as a sweet boy.
BECAUSE NEITHER IS TRUE.

 

[vlpate]

I don't see anything in the descriptions of that night's events, even Zimmerman's version, that indicate that Zimmerman was defending himself against anything that legally allowed him to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman's version is that Trayvon saw his gun and tried to take it from him. Should Zimmerman have let Trayvon have the gun?

I'm sure tweets and selected photos and other things on the internet are relevant to some people. They're just not relevant to me. When I look at these cases I'm always thinking... how would this play out in a trial? Would it tell anything about guilt or innocence? Does this give me any insight into what happened on a specific night? In this case, the contents of a Twitter account that are being tossed about for discussion aren't relevant at all. They don't tell me anything helpful.

BEM: LE uses twitter and facebook accounts all the time, just for that reason, to gain insight.

 

[songline]

It is interesting that the assumption made by the callers to 911 seems to be that the guy who ends up getting shot is the one who was screaming. None that I have heard so far seem to respond, "Wow, I'm sure glad that that poor guy who was screaming was able to shoot the guy who was attacking him." I am not saying I know why it is that they make that assumption; just wondering what led them to conclude that the screams were from the one who got shot. Like that poor woman whose call was mentioned above--she is torn up thinking she should have helped, rather than thinking, "Thank goodness that poor guy was able to defend himself!"

They all have opinions, just as we do.

 

[Marah]

IS GZ claiming that is him pleading for help on the 911 call? Just wondering if he has made a statement about this.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Miami-Dade School Supt. Livid Over Leak Of Trayvon Martin’s Records


“I think it’s shameful that people are having access, unlawful access, to privileged and private information about children,” Carvalho said in an interview with CBS4′s Luis Zabala.

Carvalho said Trayvon’s disciplinary record is irrelevant to the circumstances of his killing, which the school superintendent has characterized as “an injustice.”

In a piece written for the paper, Carvalho took the killing personally, calling it the “senseless death of one of my students.” The superintendent said he was “outraged by the violent act,” adding that the “failure of authorities to properly investigate this tragedy is inexcusable.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/2...t-livid-over-leak-of-trayvon-martins-records/

 

[jjenny]

It is interesting that the assumption made by the callers to 911 seems to be that the guy who ends up getting shot is the one who was screaming. None that I have heard so far seem to respond, "Wow, I'm sure glad that that poor guy who was screaming was able to shoot the guy who was attacking him." I am not saying I know why it is that they make that assumption; just wondering what led them to conclude that the screams were from the one who got shot. Like that poor woman whose call was mentioned above--she is torn up thinking she should have helped, rather than thinking, "Thank goodness that poor guy was able to defend himself!"

Which 911 call are you talking about?
I can't recall any call where a 911 caller describes anyone getting up. Except from one lady who thinks the guy standing up is black, but she doesn't describe him getting up either.

 

[stmarysmead]

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FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL.

This is published Friday night - and unlike the voice recognition 49% match - no other News Organizations reported this.


One story is catapulted to Number 1 - and the other is ignored totally!

TAMPA - One of George Zimmerman's neighbors is speaking out, saying looks can be deceiving.

Despite booking video from the Sanford Police Department that many say shows George Zimmerman largely unscathed from his encounter with Trayvon Martin, the neighbor said he saw Zimmerman with obvious injuries.

The neighbor is talking for the first time about what he saw on George Zimmerman's face less than 24-hours after Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.


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http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012

 

[jjenny]

IS GZ claiming that is him pleading for help on the 911 call? Just wondering if he has made a statement about this.

Yes, he claimed it was him screaming for help. It's in the police report.

 

[Etilema]

Zimmerman's version is that Trayvon saw his gun and tried to take it from him. Should Zimmerman have let Trayvon have the gun?
[snip]

Even with the information we have that suggests Trayvon may have had a questionable background (graffiti, suspicion of burglary, possible pot smoking, thuggish posts and photos on social media), do we have *anything* that would suggest he might make a leap to murder ("You're gonna die tonight")? If he tried to take the gun, perhaps it was because it was being pointed at him? All just my own speculation and opinion, of course.

But here's a question. Where are we getting Zimmerman's version of events? Is there a link to his statement to police? Some of this stuff seems to be things that GZ's brother said, which was later disavowed by GZ's attorney. What do we know for sure came from GZ, other than what was recorded in his police call?

Thanks.

 

[octobermoon]

Sitting on hands, typing with toes.
I have to work harder on the keyboard with my toes.

(Thanks mods )

 

[LambChop]

I was at work last night and we have two 16 fixing to turn 17 year old boys working there. One is about the same height and build of Trayvon. He has worked there for awhile, the other one only started this weekend. Anyway, when we slowed down they introduced themselves to each other. I stood there listening to them talk about their sports teams and who played who, girls, cars...you know 16 year old things. And it broke my heart, because I thought about those conversations Tray will never have.

A child is dead. And reading how some are trying to turn him into a thief and worse is sickening. Does it bother anyone that they may be trashing a good kids reputation? Or is this world so ******up that no one cares anymore? I'm ashamed for the state of humanity today. People need to look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

It sounds to me as if some may feel the need to find something wrong with TM to justify GZ's actions. Clearly if GZ was justified it will all come out in the end. GZ is the person whose actions we need to question because he was responsible for the incident the moment he stepped out of his vehicle. All we know is TM was walking home with no reason to think he had done anything wrong. There has to be a reason GZ took the actions he did and that is where all the questions need to be directed. Unless TM has had a repeated history of instigating attacks he has no criminal history to consider. School activities are normal kids things and even good kids sometimes get a timeout. It does not mean they are out to beat someone up. GZ was not innocently walking down the street unaware of TM, he went after him knowing he, himself was armed. There is always 100% chance when you get into a fight and you have an unsecured gun on you, you could lose it to the other person. GZ would have known that and it still did not stop him. jmo

 

[jjenny]

Even with the information we have that suggests Trayvon may have had a questionable background (graffiti, suspicion of burglary, possible pot smoking, thuggish posts and photos on social media), do we have *anything* that would suggest he might make a leap to murder ("You're gonna die tonight")? If he tried to take the gun, perhaps it was because it was being pointed at him? All just my own speculation and opinion, of course.

But here's a question. Where are we getting Zimmerman's version of events? Is there a link to his statement to police? Some of this stuff seems to be things that GZ's brother said, which was later disavowed by GZ's attorney. What do we know for sure came from GZ, other than what was recorded in his police call?

Thanks.

We don't yet have Zimmerman's statement to the police. I am not even sure that the guy who says he is GZ's lawyer is actually representing him, because some articles claimed something about this guy consulting GZ.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

It is not a secret that the Seminole Police is a poor excuse for a Police department.
They are also known to put things under a rug, they are also suspected of racial bias.


They did hand cuff him and bring him in. You cannot investigate in one evening.
An investigation takes time, and it is even more urgent when one can tell his side and the other can't.
Again - I am not jumping on GZ NO...
I see that if there was a proper through investigation we would not have a fiasco.

Just got off the phone with a friend in Orlando &#8211; she is not interested in the case enough to follow it.
only because the Seminole Police is in the mix and she sais we do not trust them.

Wait, I'm confused.

It wasn't the Seminole Police - it was the Sanford Police Department.

It happened in Seminole County and possibly the Seminole Sheriff's office may have assisted (IDK) - but if it was within city limits it would have been Sanford Police Dpeartment's jurisdiction.

All police cars and everything I've seen on the videos all were SPD's cars - I haven't seen one Seminole Sheriff's Office deputy or car.

 

[Etilema]

Sorry if this has been stated somewhere earlier in the fast-moving discussion, but is the photo of GZ that is used everywhere an ID photo, or is that his mugshot from that night? And if it's not his mugshot, can we see the mugshot somewhere?