17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[suzihawk]

More power to them. I wonder how all those homeowners in the HOA are going to feel when they have to shell money out of their pockets to settle this case when Zimmerman was nothing but a renter. He doesn't even own property in this HOA. That makes it pretty hilarious to me!



~jmo~

I actually feel sorry for the homeowners there. Not their fault and now they're gonna pay. But I do appreciate the irony and I support the Martin's right to sue them. I would, too.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I wonder what people would say if Tray killed GZ during this event.

Probably not a whole lot.Not much is said when it is a black on white crime.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

WHAT THE POLICE DID IMHO did --- is creat another victim.
IT is their fault it has blown out of proportion.
IT is the TM camp that made it into some civil racial case.
GZ is sadly a sitting duck. No I will never believe that he came out of his house with any intentions to profile anyone, or to follow anyone at all.
IMHO what happened is "If you see something you say something" then it snowballed.

I respectfully disagree....GZ's remark made it racist...and his profiling of 'young black males'...

 

[katydid23]

Zimmerman said he yelled for help and no one would help him. It was a lie. The boy was terrified and screaming for his life. As a child advocate surely you must be horrified listening to that boy yelling for his life. How can that not make a difference. It shows Zimmerman to be a liar. What of the rest of his statement?

The truth is usually somewhere in between both sides of the story. I think it is possible that GZ thought he had lost TM and was walking along and suddenly saw him again , and there was a verbal exchange. Then there was a physical struggle. It is possible that GZ yelled out for help at that time, as there is a witness to it happening that way. But later after the gun appears, the yelling is from Trayvon.

 

[suspicious1]

I have a feeling his prints will be on that gun.People are rushing to make a judgement against GZ.

IMO, even if Tray's fingerprints are on the gun that just tells me thatGZ had his gun out and this child was trying to protect his life. We already know that GZ pursued this child until there was an altercation..it was life or death and the child that was hunted was killed.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Now, Zimmerman is actually a criminal profiler like on Criminal Minds?



~jmo~

Fast too:

"He’s up to no good."

"He’s on drugs or something."

"He’s just walking around looking about."

All in the first 25 seconds of his 911 Call.........

 

[mikeysmommom]

I wonder what people would say if Tray killed GZ during this event.

Probably not a whole lot.Not much is said when it is a black on white crime. Just about everyday It is happening. I never have seen people act like I have in this case.IMO It would have been a blurp on the news,Black teen kills Hispanic man.

 

[mercuriod]

mikeysmommom, Most of the people on TV are only guessing, imo...getting their 15 minutes.
Have you heard IF he was cutting through any BACK YARDS?
or was he only walking on the street in front of peoples homes/apts? Big difference!

Is it true he was only visiting there?
Since the watchman had lived there since 2009 maybe that's why he followed the young man. Seems a 'simple' explanation would have cleared-up any questions...very sad...imo..jmo

So did the "watchman" (who by the way was NOT a watchman, just a volunteer neighborhood watch person) follow and pursue all visitors to the complex or just young male black ones? Are the residents not allowed to have visitors? Do all visitors to the complex have to be registered with the "watchman"?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

“I just feel as though the Sanford Police Department is doing us an injustice. They actually are trying to sweep our son's death under the rug,” claims the grieving father.

“Trayvon was a person, he wasn't just a statistic, he was loved by his family, he was loved by his friends. I just refuse to stop pursuing the arrest of Mr. Zimmerman until he is arrested.”

Martin was walking home from a local 7-Eleven store on February 26 when he was shot and killed by Zimmerman, 28, who claims he opened fire in self defense despite the fact the only “weapons” the unarmed teen was carrying were a bag of Skittles candy, his cell phone and a bottle of iced tea.

The last few seconds of Trayvon’s life were captured on a cell phone call with his 16-year-old girlfriend, and her account of the incident drastically contradicts Zimmerman's claim that the teen was acting suspiciously and was the aggressor in their confrontation.

During a disturbing 911 call, Zimmerman is heard saying: “These a**holes, they always get away,” and Anderson presses Martin’s parents to reveal how they thought when hearing the toxic words.

“That Zimmerman had in his mind at that point that he wasn't going to let whoever that individual was get away. That he just wanted confrontation. He was told by the dispatcher to stand down, don't follow this individual, he pursued it anyway,” says Tracy.

Later in the interview, they say they are adamant that it is Trayvon that can be heard calling for help in the background of the emergency call.

“Yes I do. I believe that's Trayvon Martin, that's my baby's voice. Every mother knows their child and that's his voice,” reveals his mother, Sybrina.
Tracy goes on to claim that he believes his son was afraid for his life. “He saw his death coming. He saw his death coming. The screams got more frantic. At that second that we heard the shot the screams just completely stopped. He saw his death, he was pleading for his life,” he says.

It has been 25 days since the killing, and while no charges have yet been filed against Zimmerman, the Martins believe that justice will ultimately be served.

“It's a nightmare. It's hard to sleep. Everything reminds me of him and the only thing that's fueling us to keep pressing on for justice is the fact that we know that justice will be served,” pledges Sybrina, who adds, “I cry everyday. I can hear the 911 tapes in my head. I can hear him yelling. It's just very difficult as a mother to know that I had to bury my child.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...n-case-florida-shooting-race-george-zimmerman

My heart breaks for the parents...I've been there and can tell you, the day my mother buried her son (my only sibling), she too died that day, especially tragic to be shot in the street and left there to die, alone... A piece of her died along with my brother..It's truly disheartening to hear folk say in very few words, that Trayvon asked for this to happen..that it's okay to take someone's life over suspicions in the others mind..and Travyon wasn't a child..so utterly disprespectful and adds insult to injury to this family...

GZ's mentality creeps through a little more each time someone opens their mouths on his behalf..I believe him to be looking for vigilante justice and he's the one to do it...just utter the right words and this will blow over...NOT..I so hope this investigation, The Grand Jury sees this for what it is..and GZ will be arrested on a first degree murder charge with a hate crime attached to it..

I pray for justice for Trayvon and his parents...lease:

 

[suzihawk]

The truth is usually somewhere in between both sides of the story. I think it is possible that GZ thought he had lost TM and was walking along and suddenly saw him again , and there was a verbal exchange. Then there was a physical struggle. It is possible that GZ yelled out for help at that time, as there is a witness to it happening that way. But later after the gun appears, the yelling is from Trayvon.

Therein lies the problem. It was not his job to track him. In fact, he was instructed not to.

 

[mikeysmommom]

IMO, even if Tray's fingerprints are on the gun that just tells me thatGZ had his gun out and this child was trying to protect his life. We already know that GZ pursued this child until there was an altercation..it was life or death and the child that was hunted was killed.

IMO He was not hunted,IMO it was self defense and if his finger prints are on the gun.IMO If he was just hunting like some think why call 911 at all? The police arrived just minutes to late.It makes no sense to call police if your hunting someone.With all those homes someone could have seen GZ holding a gun to TM ,why would he commit a murder in cold blood with all those windows and people right there it makes no sense.At 17 you are a young man ,not a child IMO.At 17 a lot of young men are in fighting mode jmo.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

IMO He re holstered the gun so when Le came he was not shot plus how did he know if anyone might come at him seeing TM dead on the ground.A poster who knows guns had said it is the way you are suppose to handle your weapon.HTH

LE arriving on the scene is not going to shoot anyone. They will put you at gunpoint - especially if the "gun holder" puts his hands up - or even lays it on the ground. The second you see LE on scene lay it on the ground in front of you. LE will draw and order you to drop it - they aren't just going to shoot.

By re-holstering it - it was now out of sight and that could be more dangerous in that situation. What if he hadn't told LE about the gun and when LE was patting him down found it? Could be a very dangerous situation.

Put the gun on the ground between your feet - unless people are very close to you - no one is going to try to grab it and, in this situation, I don't think anyone else was going to draw a gun and fire at you.

Besides we're talking a matter of seconds here. gz hung up with 911 - 7:15; gf's call disconnected 7:16; LE arrived on scene 7:17.



JMHO

 

[annalia]

Fast too:

"He’s up to no good."

"He’s on drugs or something."

"He’s just walking around looking about."

All in the first 25 seconds of his 911 Call.........

Makes me wonder if this supposed thwarted burglary, that Taafe keeps crediting GZ for, was just another black male who dared to be "looking about".

JMHO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

WHAT THE POLICE DID IMHO did --- is creat another victim.
IT is their fault it has blown out of proportion.
IT is the TM camp that made it into some civil racial case.

GZ is sadly a sitting duck. No I will never believe that he came out of his house with any intentions to profile anyone, or to follow anyone at all.
IMHO what happened is "If you see something you say something" then it snowballed.

I suspect that even if they had done a more thorough investigation, the result would be the same. There won't be enough to convict GZ on anything. jmo

 

[oh_gal]

I respectfully disagree....GZ's remark made it racist...and his profiling of 'young black males'...

When is it racial, and when it is just a description? He was a young, black, male. He wasn't a young, white male. He wasn't an old black male. He wasn't an old, white male. Descriptions are necessary, not racial. JMO.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Probably not a whole lot.Not much is said when it is a black on white crime. Just about everyday It is happening. I never have seen people act like I have in this case.IMO It would have been a blurp on the news,Black teen kills Hispanic man.

Probably because there would have been an arrest. That is what fueled this and caused it to snowball.

LE arrived on a "shooting" scene. One dead, the shooter admitting to firing and LE just said "Oh ok, no problem" - THAT is the PROBLEM.




JMHO

 

[katydid23]

Thank you. Thanks you. People are trying to say he didn't follow him -- and I say -- how did he not follow him if they both ended up away from the truck, around the bend, and behind the town homes. I think GZ just took the actual initial meeting at his truck -- which we hear on the 911 tape (GZ says he's staring right at me) -- and fabricated the verbal exchange about what are you doing here?

BBM

But didn't the gf on the phone say she heard the ' what are you doing here?'

 

[Adrienne37]

I actually feel sorry for the homeowners there. Not their fault and now they're gonna pay. But I do appreciate the irony and I support the Martin's right to sue them. I would, too.

Hi Suzi! I want to feel sorry for them as well but when the nice little newsletter came out informing them that they were to call Zimmerman with their problems, it sort of made them liable. I would have thought someone in that community would have actually questioned exactly what his role as "self-appointed" neighborhood watch "captain" really entailed. Too bad, so sad. If someone had questioned his behavior months ago especially after all those ridiculous 911 calls, maybe, just maybe, we might not be sitting here talking about how he shot dead an innocent child.



~jmo~

 

[cityslick]

IMO, even if Tray's fingerprints are on the gun that just tells me thatGZ had his gun out and this child was trying to protect his life. We already know that GZ pursued this child until there was an altercation..it was life or death and the child that was hunted was killed.

IMO I think the gun came out during the scuffle, not before. TM's own words (or lack thereof), when he was on the phone proves this. I just don't believe he wouldn't of said something like 'this guy has a gun' if he saw the gun out when GZ approached him.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Zimmerman said he wanted to correct some of the "mythology" and untruths that have been spread about the night of the shooting.

He said his brother didn't chase anyone and had been on his way to Target, The Miami Herald reports. He thought Trayvon Martin looked suspicious as he walked around the gated community, not because of race, but because of what had been happening in the community. There had recently been several break-ins.

During the exchange with Trayvon, he said his brother reached to get his cell phone. He wanted to call 911 again, but "he never got to make that phone call because he was attacked by Mr. Martin."

"You return force with force when somebody assaults you. George was out of breath, he was barely conscious," Zimmerman said. "There would have been George dead if he had not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed."

Martin's family and legal experts have questioned the Zimmerman's family version after the recent release of surveillance videos from the Sanford police headquarters the night of the incident.

Robert Zimmerman Jr., said his brother was treated at the scene before he was taken to police headquarters and it appears to him that the surveillance tape shows that his brother had injuries. He said he had confidence that the medical records would explain everything, adding that he thought his brother's nose did look swollen to him in the video.

Zimmerman called the shooting a tragedy, but said he felt that some of the responses have not been healthy.

"This is a tragedy. Her son was lost," he said trying to send a message to Martin's mother. "I feel very badly about that and I want, in the end, not for her son's memory to be seen as how we degraded our system and turned it into mob rule and went into a hate speech. Ultimately, we all wish that this was a different situation."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...s-out-in-defense-of-brother-george-zimmerman/

IDK but GZ head injury appears too high to say his head was repeatedly slammed into the cement...Weren't they on the grass?

If his head was slammed into the concrete, wouldn't the abraision be much lower than the crown? It would be more near the nape of the head or possibly a few inches higher...not at the crown...

GZ out of breath because he lost sight of Trayvon and ran to double back to confront him, is my belief...I still have a hard time believing Captain George was reaching for his cell phone and not his gun, he was intent to not let another a**hole get away...If Trayvon's prints are on the muzzle of the gun, it still means GZ's was on the trigger..I certainly hope Tray's prints are no where on that gun, personally...I believe GZ is a danger and will continue to be a danger, especially if he gets off scott free..but I doubt he will..I'm confident they will hear that racial slur which will take this case to another calibur...:maddening:

GZ is not a trained police officer and should not have acted as if he were one...if this is also proven, bye bye Captain...lease: