17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[cityslick]

The gf heard nothing after the inital "why are you following me" and "what are you doing here, then a push, the phone went dead. that probably took seconds.

So how in the world does that mean that she would have heard Trayvon say he saw a gun, or that he may not have seen the gun until GZ said, what are you doing here?

You think Trayvon had to say, OMG he's gotta gun! as soon as he said, why are you following me?

It's not plausible to you that Trayon saw the gun or the gun came out right at the initial exchange or right after. Ok, you are certainly entitled to think what you like.

JMHO

In what world does someone push someone else when there is a gun out and drawn? If she heard GZ talk, he was within earshot of the phone, which means he was somewhat close to TM. If the gun is out of the holster, in GZ's hand, at that close range, he's going to see it, unless he had his hand behind his back.

Yes, I think he would say that he had a gun, he was already on guard because GZ was following him to begin with. If he saw the gun, he would of said, this guy is following me and I think he's got a gun.

 

[Velouria]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

Yes, yes, YES!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: FT has a nice little rap sheet of his own, and shouldn't be anywhere near a camera, IMO.

 

[Isabelle]

I was robbed at gunpoint years ago. It was as though the gun was like a vacuum that sucked all of the air out of my lungs. I would not have been able to say anything and certainly wouldn't have screamed - I followed the robbers' instructions.

 

[OneLove]

Black teens in hoodies had been caught doing robberies in his neighborhood.There were robberies were black teens in hoodies were not caught but seen getting away.What it that was where you lived?Would you not be looking twice at Teens in hoodies? or would you be looking at little old ladies.My son every time he left our house from the age of 17 till 25 he was stopped by police just because he was a teen and police knew teens usually were up to something.Most crimes on the news when they show hold ups,store robberies the tape usually shows men and teens in hoodies they are used to help hide faces.Most wear them 2 or 3 sizes larger and the hood when up does obscure the face.What seems suspicious to one might not seem suspicious to another.Should a 17 yr old have died of course not!Was in down in cold blooded murder?I really do not believe he went gunning or wanted to hunt down a teen.IMO GZ was trying to keep his neighborhood safe, crime is going up all over he also is a young man who had a job,was going to school and has a wife. IMO He did not go hunting him a black teen.He saw TM by the clubhouse thought he was top to something and watched him which is all legal to do.IMO When TM was heard yelling why are you following,that meant he came up close something you should never do IMO.when you have been followed.Maybe TM had a chip on his shoulder,figured who is this white,hispanic man to watch me,to question me.IF TM did take the first punch the GZ was gonna fight back Unfortunately he had a gun on him and IMO during the scuffle they both got a hold of the gun and it went off.If police did a bad job on their end blame them for sloppy work but since very little has come out on just what the police did or did not do how can anyone know what happened.We all are guessing IMO.We need more info.IF GZ was some hotheaded racist why that night? He lived there since 2009,I am sure he had seen many teens in hoodies.If anything IMO it was more criminal profiling then racial profiling.

I can identify with you on the bias of police stopping your son unfairly. My son was stopped repeatedly only because he had long hair in a small town in the rural Ozarks. I'm not guessing at this, I know this for a fact because after 11 times of being stopped with no citation whatsoever given, I called a friend of mine who was a highly placed officer on the force, NOT to berate at all but to ask what was going on and should I be concerned about something that my son might be involved in that made him suspicious enough to stop him that many times. He apologized, said he didn't know this was happening, but my son had long hair in a community where that wasn't typical and THAT ALONE made him suspicious and that there will always be overly zealous officers. !!!

So if we say that white teenage girls wearing short skirts have been known to shoplift, should everyone be suspicious of every white teenage girl wearing a short skirt in a store? Should we, as parents, teach our white teenage girls wearing short skirts that if they are chosen at random for inconceivably bad treatment while they are shopping (because someone once knew of a white teenage girl in a short skirt that was convicted of shoplifting) that they should hang their heads, apologize profusely for "looking" suspicious, explain why they are in the store and where they live, then leave the store immediately, and RUN straight home, lest they be JUSTIFIABLY SHOT?

Unfathomable. In my opinion.

 

[suzihawk]

BBM

And there in lies the rub. I, too, think that the local LE must have had their own opinions of GZ. But or so, why did they protect him when they got to the scene? Why didn't they take him in, charge him, book him, and be somewhat happy that they got him off the streets (and outta their hair)?

That is one particular detail in this case that I just can't get a handle on.


JMHO

I doubt the 'higher ups' even knew of all the 911 calls reported by GZ, WOO. At least not at the time they took him to the station and decided to release him just a few short hours later.

But you can bet the dispatchers were familiar with him. And they probably rolled their eyes every time they heard from him.

 

[Isabelle]

Black teens in hoodies had been caught doing robberies in his neighborhood.There were robberies were black teens in hoodies were not caught but seen getting away.What it that was where you lived?Would you not be looking twice at Teens in hoodies? or would you be looking at little old ladies.My son every time he left our house from the age of 17 till 25 he was stopped by police just because he was a teen and police knew teens usually were up to something.Most crimes on the news when they show hold ups,store robberies the tape usually shows men and teens in hoodies they are used to help hide faces.Most wear them 2 or 3 sizes larger and the hood when up does obscure the face.What seems suspicious to one might not seem suspicious to another.Should a 17 yr old have died of course not!Was in down in cold blooded murder?I really do not believe he went gunning or wanted to hunt down a teen.IMO GZ was trying to keep his neighborhood safe, crime is going up all over he also is a young man who had a job,was going to school and has a wife. IMO He did not go hunting him a black teen.He saw TM by the clubhouse thought he was top to something and watched him which is all legal to do.IMO When TM was heard yelling why are you following,that meant he came up close something you should never do IMO.when you have been followed.Maybe TM had a chip on his shoulder,figured who is this white,hispanic man to watch me,to question me.IF TM did take the first punch the GZ was gonna fight back Unfortunately he had a gun on him and IMO during the scuffle they both got a hold of the gun and it went off.If police did a bad job on their end blame them for sloppy work but since very little has come out on just what the police did or did not do how can anyone know what happened.We all are guessing IMO.We need more info.IF GZ was some hotheaded racist why that night? He lived there since 2009,I am sure he had seen many teens in hoodies.If anything IMO it was more criminal profiling then racial profiling.

I would look, but never follow, and GZ should not have followed either.

 

[Adrienne37]

BBM

And there in lies the rub. I, too, think that the local LE must have had their own opinions of GZ. But or so, why did they protect him when they got to the scene? Why didn't they take him in, charge him, book him, and be somewhat happy that they got him off the streets (and outta their hair)?

That is one particular detail in this case that I just can't get a handle on.


JMHO

I can't understand why he hadn't been questioned previously for abusing the 911 system, emergency or nonemergency line. If someone had approached him months ago about his misuse of the system, perhaps we wouldn't all be sitting here talking about poor Trayvon. Trayvon would still be alive and well.

As for what you are saying WOW, we do know that the lead investigator wanted Zimmerman charged. I am still of the belief that there something being covered up and if we are successful in finding what that is, the rest of the pieces are going to fall in place. There is something going on that has caused Wolfzinger to step aside from the case and Chief Lee to step down, something to bring out Wolfzinger's remarks about Trayvon's family asking for a review of his behavior by the justice department. There is something there and it's not just some silly conspiracy theory. Major corruption by the powers to be seems to be happening in that city and I really hope the media digs until they figure it out.



~jmo~

 

[Isabelle]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

"They always get away". GZ's friends better take a closer look at GZ. Am almost beginning to feel like GZ has a type of Munchausen as it relates to the burglaries or almost burglaries. IMO he is a sociopath with delusions.

 

[Emeralgem]

Because he knows him, and trusts him.
Because they spoke on the phone.Because he does not like a lynch mob
Because he lives in that community.

Perhaps, they have at some point in time spoken on the phone, but he admitted he has not spoken to or seen GZ since the shooting incident..
And what lynch mob are you referring to may I ask?
I haven't heard anyone calling for GZ to be lynched... ONLY to be arrested...JMHO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

George Zimmerman Will Turn Himself In If Charged, Lawyer Says
First Posted: 04/ 2/2012 1:43 pm
Updated: 04/ 2/2012 7:09 pm


* Zimmerman lawyer preparing for trial
* Zimmerman remains in seclusion (Adds family lawyer, city officials)

By Daniel Trotta



SANFORD, Fla., April 2 (Reuters) - George Zimmerman will surrender to authorities if he is charged in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, his attorney said on Monday.

"If he's charged, he will be arrested and he will turn himself in," attorney Craig Sonner told Reuters in a telephone interview. "However it goes, he's not hiding from the authorities. If he is asked, he will turn himself in. There's not going to be a manhunt or anything like that."

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, fatally shot Martin on the night of Feb. 26, saying he had acted in self defense. Police released him without charge and said there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's story that he was attacked by Martin, 27.

The case has riveted the country, prompting demonstrations in numerous cities demanding that Zimmerman be arrested. Critics believe Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, was motivated by racial profiling in deciding to follow Martin and that race played a role in police accepting his version of events.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/florida-shooter-will-turn_n_1397391.html

 

[Emeralgem]

"They always get away". GZ's friends better take a closer look at GZ. Am almost beginning to feel like GZ has a type of Munchausen as it relates to the burglaries or almost burglaries. IMO he is a sociopath with delusions.

I agree. I'm still interested in knowing IF he lifts weights on a regular basis and is/was perhaps taking steroids...JMHO

 

[Beyond Belief]

Question: Is the edge of the sidewalk edged making a shart corner on the side of the walkway? I tried to find that video of Mr Martin on the walkway which might show that but no avail and have to run out. Just an idea of where that head scrape might have happened.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I forgot to add something in my earlier post upthread.

The entire SPD needs to be cleared out with the exception of that one detective that wanted a warrant on ZG. Mr. Wolfinger needs to be out as well, IMO. He passed judgement way too quickly and knows that now, IMO.

Okay, I am done now - really! I will go back to quietly reading because I do not trust myself to post very much without saying something I would regret later after our fantastic MODS (love you all) got done with me!

MOO's!

 

[songline]

I suspect that even if they had done a more thorough investigation, the result would be the same. There won't be enough to convict GZ on anything. jmo

If you are right, and you may be… at least TM's parents would have some answers, HAD they interviewed everyone, got more of a report on paper etc...at least the police would not have put up so many red flags, and at least it would not look as if it was dismissed without much of an attempt to get it right.

 

[songline]

I respectfully disagree....GZ's remark made it racist...and his profiling of 'young black males'...

It is fine for yourto disagree.
BUT
NO - it is your opinion that he was profiling, no fact here.
NO - it is not clear at all what his remarks were, unless it is exactly what you want to hear. NO fact here either.
< mod snip >

 

[Isabelle]

George Zimmerman Will Turn Himself In If Charged, Lawyer Says
First Posted: 04/ 2/2012 1:43 pm
Updated: 04/ 2/2012 7:09 pm


* Zimmerman lawyer preparing for trial
* Zimmerman remains in seclusion (Adds family lawyer, city officials)

By Daniel Trotta



SANFORD, Fla., April 2 (Reuters) - George Zimmerman will surrender to authorities if he is charged in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, his attorney said on Monday.

"If he's charged, he will be arrested and he will turn himself in," attorney Craig Sonner told Reuters in a telephone interview. "However it goes, he's not hiding from the authorities. If he is asked, he will turn himself in. There's not going to be a manhunt or anything like that."

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, fatally shot Martin on the night of Feb. 26, saying he had acted in self defense. Police released him without charge and said there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's story that he was attacked by Martin, 27.

The case has riveted the country, prompting demonstrations in numerous cities demanding that Zimmerman be arrested. Critics believe Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, was motivated by racial profiling in deciding to follow Martin and that race played a role in police accepting his version of events.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/florida-shooter-will-turn_n_1397391.html

Interesting that Zimmerman's attorney is preparing for trial. Could he be privy to information that hasn't been released yet?

 

[Beyond Belief]

I really am still on the fence, but I think it would be good if they pulled GZ 's hard drive and looked to see if he was giving himself lessons on what you have to do to claim self defense. JMO

 

[Isabelle]

If you are right, and you may be… at least TM's parents would have some answers, HAD they interviewed everyone, got more of a report on paper etc...at least the police would not have put up so many red flags, and at least it would not look as if it was dismissed without much of an attempt to get it right.

On losing a child, the next worse part is not having answers. The imagination is a monster that won't leave you alone.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I sure hope we get some news soon. Maybe at the end of the week. I also think that "the investigating authority" is somewhat purposefully remaining silent to allow things to "calm".

The news media is a very fickle bunch. Already today - with the school shooting out in CA - this story is moving "down the page" and that's a good thing as far as tensions. They've got people into a waiting mode - let the investigation continue - let them do a complete and thorough job. And it seems more and more people everyday are allowing them to do just that. But that will only last for so long and they know that too.

So, I'm predicting we might get some news by the end of the week but certainly not before then.




JMHO

 

[OneLove]

"They always get away". GZ's friends better take a closer look at GZ. Am almost beginning to feel like GZ has a type of Munchausen as it relates to the burglaries or almost burglaries. IMO he is a sociopath with delusions.

I lean this direction too. I'm VERY interested in seeing more information come out.