17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[songline]

Whats up with the guy who appeared on NG's show last night defending GZ's claims and injuries, but yet when asked IF he had seen or spoken with GZ since the incident, he readily states..No, he hasn't.... Why is he being given "air time" when he hasn't even seen or spoken to GZ since the shooting? JMHO

Because he knows him, and trusts him.
Because they spoke on the phone.
Because he does not like a lynch mob
Because he lives in that community.

 

[LambChop]

Whats up with the guy who appeared on NG's show last night defending GZ's claims and injuries, but yet when asked IF he had seen or spoken with GZ since the incident, he readily states..No, he hasn't.... Why is he being given "air time" when he hasn't even seen or spoken to GZ since the shooting? JMHO

I think the point of having him on is to show what type of person supports GW and the shooting of an unarmed teen. GZ isn't speaking but this guy sure is and it doesn't take much time after listening to him to figure out what this guy is all about. He is not doing GZ any good. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Because he knows him, and trusts him.
Because they spoke on the phone.
Because he does not like a lynch mob
Because he lives in that community.

Mr. Taaffe told NG last night that he has not seen GZ, nor has he spoken to him since before the shooting. He's not doing GZ any favors and that could be why FT has not heard from him. jmo

 

[songline]

Stand Your Ground fathers: Trayvon Martin's killer should likely be arrested, doesn't deserve immunity

The fathers of Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law implicated in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin say the man who shot him to death probably should be arrested and doesn’t deserve a self-defense claim of immunity.

Former state Sen. Durell Peaden and current state Rep. Dennis Baxley say the law they passed in 2005 was designed to protect citizens by giving them the right to “meet force with force.”

Both men say they don’t know all the facts of Trayvon's case. But, they say they believe the law would not allow a person like George Zimmerman to pursue and confront a person like Trayvon and then use deadly force.

Zimmerman has not been charged.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the deadly force law in 2005. “He has no protection under my law.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ed-doesnt-deserve-immunity.html#storylink=cpy

He is protecting a law he is the father of.
I hate his law, it is heaven for mad men.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

As Matt Gertz writes over at Media Matters, Florida’s law is “virtually identical” to the so-called “Castle Doctrine Act” proposed by ALEC and the NRA’s suggestion.

Opponents of the legislation are pointing out how easily it could be abused.

“All you have to say is that you reasonably believed you were threatened, and the only person who can dispute that is the person you have just killed,” says Daniel Vice of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. But as this chart from Mother Jones illustrates, “Stand Your Ground” bills have already spread across the country.

Sponsors of Florida’s bill, meanwhile, are claiming it shouldn’t come into play in the Martin case.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” former Sen. Durell Peaden told the Miami Herald. “He has no protection under my law.”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ation_that_may_have_let_tr.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

 

[Talina]

Mr. Taaffe told NG last night that he has not seen GZ, nor has he spoken to him since before the shooting. He's not doing GZ any favors and that could be why FT has not heard from him. jmo

BBM

I realize that FT has said that he has not seen, spoken to or heard from him but wasn't that voice mail message that was given to media (somehow and I don't recall ever hearing how media got a hold of that voice mail) a message that GZ left for FT? I believe in it GZ was thanking RT for speaking out on his behalf or something to that effect?

I find it hard to imagine that GZ called just one time, didn't get in touch with FT, and just hasn't tried to contact him again or left a way for FT to contact him since he is out there making the rounds defending GZ.

See, if RT has actually spoken to GZ, then he can be called as a witness later and whatever GZ has said to RT, RT would have to disclose. Right now, saying that he hasn't actually spoken to GZ, nothing he says can be attributed or held for/against GZ as his own words.

IMO

 

[rbrnmw2]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

:moo:
:furious::sick::sick::sick:

bbm

oh so he was one the houses now? gmab MOO

 

[LambChop]

Stand Your Ground fathers: Trayvon Martin's killer should likely be arrested, doesn't deserve immunity

The fathers of Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law implicated in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin say the man who shot him to death probably should be arrested and doesn’t deserve a self-defense claim of immunity.

Former state Sen. Durell Peaden and current state Rep. Dennis Baxley say the law they passed in 2005 was designed to protect citizens by giving them the right to “meet force with force.”

Both men say they don’t know all the facts of Trayvon's case. But, they say they believe the law would not allow a person like George Zimmerman to pursue and confront a person like Trayvon and then use deadly force.

Zimmerman has not been charged.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the deadly force law in 2005. “He has no protection under my law.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ed-doesnt-deserve-immunity.html#storylink=cpy

GZ initiated contact with TM. GZ initiated the call to alert LE. GZ then went to TM by way of following him. The action was GZ's all the way to the contact point. What resulted was a reaction. But it all started with GZ. jmo

 

[Concerned Papa]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

I've never watched any of this dudes interviews before, and I'd rather get my nails yanked out than watch Nancy Grace, but I filpped the channel over to catch what he had to say last night. I got there just in time to hear him say:

"I wore my favorite tie just for you Miz Naancee" LOL I got out of there instantly.

How'd you like to be holed up somewhere waiting on the smoke to clear and have this guy out there stirring the pot? :floorlaugh:

 

[suspicious1]

I suspect they would be outraged and calling for him to be put under the jail.. Either that or lynched..JMHO

My thoughts exactly, Em.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Black teens in hoodies had been caught doing robberies in his neighborhood.There were robberies were black teens in hoodies were not caught but seen getting away.What it that was where you lived?Would you not be looking twice at Teens in hoodies? or would you be looking at little old ladies.My son every time he left our house from the age of 17 till 25 he was stopped by police just because he was a teen and police knew teens usually were up to something.Most crimes on the news when they show hold ups,store robberies the tape usually shows men and teens in hoodies they are used to help hide faces.Most wear them 2 or 3 sizes larger and the hood when up does obscure the face.What seems suspicious to one might not seem suspicious to another.Should a 17 yr old have died of course not!Was in down in cold blooded murder?I really do not believe he went gunning or wanted to hunt down a teen.IMO GZ was trying to keep his neighborhood safe, crime is going up all over he also is a young man who had a job,was going to school and has a wife. IMO He did not go hunting him a black teen.He saw TM by the clubhouse thought he was top to something and watched him which is all legal to do.IMO When TM was heard yelling why are you following,that meant he came up close something you should never do IMO.when you have been followed.Maybe TM had a chip on his shoulder,figured who is this white,hispanic man to watch me,to question me.IF TM did take the first punch the GZ was gonna fight back Unfortunately he had a gun on him and IMO during the scuffle they both got a hold of the gun and it went off.If police did a bad job on their end blame them for sloppy work but since very little has come out on just what the police did or did not do how can anyone know what happened.We all are guessing IMO.We need more info.IF GZ was some hotheaded racist why that night? He lived there since 2009,I am sure he had seen many teens in hoodies.If anything IMO it was more criminal profiling then racial profiling.

 

[cityslick]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

I think the news stations are so desperate to continue to keep the story in the news that they will continue to put people like this on the air. Nothing with the case itself is happening so in order to maintain it in the 24 newscycle, that do these interviews with neighbors, lawyers, etc. I thought this was a good article and it makes a lot of sense:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ancing-video/2012/04/02/gIQAr1HYrS_story.html

Legal and forensic experts cautioned that none of the media-led investigations, which are done in many high-profile cases, has been conclusive.

“The public needs to know that this is a very complex case,” said Ron Martinelli, a forensics consultant in Temecula, Calif. “There are many issues that come into play and sometimes come into conflict.”

 

[CathyinTexas]

BBM

He didn't? Where was it then?

I have always believed it was in his hand and was seen by Trayvon. He may have turned and asked why are you following me, and saw it and started to run, or GZ grabbed him, whatever. I think he had the gun out from the beginning to "protect himself" from the "a... that looked suspicious" and wasn't going to let him get away.

 

[suzihawk]

My father left home at 16 and joined the Merchant Marines because he wasn't old enough to join the Army and he wanted to serve his country during World War II. Sorry, but "helpless child" just doesn't apply to a 16-year old IMO. Naive, inexperienced, often brash with the feeling of youthful invincibility, yes. Helpless child? Nope.

TM was a young man who was taken from this earth far too early.

ETA: Also, I believe that TM was just days past his seventeenth birthday. He was 17, not 16.

Thanks for the correction. You're right, he was days past his seventeenth birthday. I'm still on my first cup of coffee.

BBM: Could that be because the armed forces don't consider a person under the age of 18 to be an adult and mature enough to serve?

The law doesn't recognize a person under the age of 18 to be an adult.

It's a silly argument really, IMO. And a matter of opinion. Mine is that he is (or, unfortunately, WAS), still a child.

 

[francie]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.

JMHO

According to Orange County Clerk site (LOVE that site lol) there is a Frank Taaffe from that area, same age-range as Zimmerman pal Taaffe, and he's defendant in six(?) criminal battery & domestic violence cases. I can’t verify it’s the same person but if it is, how interesting that he has a violent past and is defending Zimmerman’s violent act. jmo. (please delete if not ok to post this!)

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx

 

[Wise Old Owl]

A big piece of this puzzle is going to depend on the forensics of that gun. IF both TM's and GZ's prints are on it - well, that clearly shows a struggle over the gun. If not and only GZ's prints - then, there is a problem.

The only way I see this being a self-defense case is what I outlined above. What I just don't understand is why GZ re-holstered the gun. That could have caused critical evidence - possibly in GZ's defense to maybe be wiped off. And if this was a close range shot - there is a good possibility that there was blood on it. Re-holstering it? IDK.

That's one of the big things, in my mind, that I'm waiting to see what the lab says. If TM's prints are not found on that gun - well, I don't see a self defense case holding any water.


JMHO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46938144/Media_take_on_police_like_role_in_Martin_case

Media take on police-like role in Martin case

Snipped:

MIAMI - The news media are taking on an increasingly police-like role in the Trayvon Martin slaying by using modern forensic techniques to analyze evidence, an approach some legal experts say can lead to a distorted view of the case because a lot of the key evidence is still under wraps.

The public has been whipsawed back and forth as new revelations emerge, appearing to support one version or the other.

Also snipped:

Much still is not known about the evidence being weighed by prosecutors, including:

—The autopsy on Martin's body, which could show signs of a fight and whether the bullet entry wound supports Zimmerman's claims.

—Medical records of treatment Zimmerman received on the scene that night by paramedics, which again could back up or disprove his self-defense assertion.

—Police photographs, notes and other physical evidence probably collected at the scene.

—Videotaped interviews police conducted with Zimmerman.

—Whether there is other surveillance video of Martin or Zimmerman at any point during the evening, including the youth's visit to a convenience store shortly before the confrontation.

—Whether any witnesses saw the actual shooting and the circumstances leading up to it, including the alleged fight.

Many of these unanswered questions, especially the forensic results, will provide a more complete picture of how Zimmerman came to shoot Martin that night, Martinelli said.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyGatto View Post
Imagine this goes to trial and no audio experts are permitted to testify -- the jury just listens the 911 call, hears the screams, and makes its own decision. I think the majority -- or at least a plurality -- would believe it is Trayvon.



Quote:
Originally Posted by justthinkin View Post
Until the state's attorney gets Tracy Martin on the stand and asks if he remembers making the statement, That's not my son screaming. That's not Trayvon's voice (or words to that effect.)

Who is the jury going to believe then? They'll believe the parent.
Link please?


Here's your link: http://www.wesh.com/news/30692415/detail....

Well it now appears the link I followed earlier to read what Tracy Martin said about the screaming not being Trayvon is now a bad link. I have no other way to access the article now, but it does exist. Just FYI, the poster who gave the link also noted that the story had been reported on MSNBC, and they had pulled their article. Why am I not surprised? I guess Wesh has now pulled theirs too.

What in the H is going on? Martin's father comes out and says it's not Trayvon screaming, and then 2 voice experts come out and say it's not Zimmerman screaming so the reports get pulled where Trayvon's dad says the screams aren't Trayvon's? Huh....

I have heard Trayvon's father say emphatically that is his son. Also, I have heard the female witnesses say that when they told the police what they heard and observed the police told them they were wrong! I admire Mary Cutcher for never changing her story and insisting she heard what she heard and saw what she saw.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

George Zimmerman's dad says Travyon told his son, 'You're gonna die now'
By msnbc.com staff
On FOX Orlando Wednesday evening, the father of the man who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, said Martin attacked his son, saying, "You're gonna die now, or you're gonna die tonight."


“George was going to the store, and he saw someone in his community that he did not recognize as living there,” Robert Zimmerman, a retired judge, said. “Because there had been a lot of break-ins in the area, he thought that was suspicious that someone would not be walking on the street or the sidewalk, but they'd be walking right behind the townhomes.”

Robert Zimmerman said that his son, George Zimmerman, 28, then called a non-emergency number to report this stranger. He lost sight of the teen as he looked for an address to report to police, Robert Zimmerman told the FOX affiliate.


“It’s my understanding that at that point Trayvon Martin walked up to him, asked him, ‘Do you have a – beep – problem?’ George said ‘No, I don’t have a problem’.”

The elder Zimmerman said that as his son started to reach for his cell phone, Martin, 17, punched him in the nose, knocking the larger man to the pavement.

When the interviewer asked about Martin’s girlfriend, who said that he told her that he was being followed, Robert Zimmerman said he didn’t believe her.

He replied: “I don't believe she was on the phone with him, and I find it very strange with the publicity involved with this that all of the sudden, after three weeks, someone would remember that they were on the phone. I believe the FBI and others investigating this will find that that did not happen.”

The family of a 13-year-old witness told Al Sharpton Thursday morning a different perspective. Although he did not witness the shooting, he heard it and said that he heard crying and that when the gun went off, the whining ceased.

Zimmerman, a self-declared neighborhood watch volunteer, fatally shot Martin on Feb. 26 in what he called an act of self-defense. Within weeks, the story started drawing nationwide attention and Sanford, Fla. Police were accused of bungling the investigation for not arresting Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, meantime, is in hiding. His father told FOX Orlando that he is not doing well.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...says-travyon-told-his-son-youre-gonna-die-now

Guessing the Z camp didn't realize Trayvon was on the phone...but the tirls a liar but not <modsnip> George...:maddening:

I also believe all that this father says, can be what came out of GZ's mouth to Trayvon...but of course, he can say all he wants, Trayvon can't dispute that but evidence can...I certainly hope this investigation proves fatal for <modsnip> George..he had no right to take Trayvon's life, he did violate Trayvon's civil rights...all just my belief...

 

[Adrienne37]

Martin's Parents Plan To Sue Homeowners Group
by Greg Allen

April 2, 2012 The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents has already promised to file a civil lawsuit against the homeowner's association where the unarmed teenager was killed.
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

In Florida, questions continue to swirl about the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman gun down the teen in February. Zimmerman hasn't been charged because he claimed self-defense. One question that hasn't been answered: Is the homeowners association liable for the death.

Here's NPR's Greg Allen.

GREG ALLEN, BYLINE: There are nearly 200 townhomes at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the community in Sanford where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. It's possible the owners of those townhomes may also be held liable in Trayvon Martin's shooting. Lawyers for the Martin family say they plan a civil lawsuit naming both Martin and the homeowners association. Attorney Ken Direktor says that's not unexpected.

KEN DIREKTOR: The associations always make a good target in lawsuits because they carry substantial liability insurance.

ALLEN: In community newsletters, George Zimmerman was identified as the Neighborhood Watch captain, and residents were encouraged to contact him if they were victimized by crime. He was a volunteer, but attorney Donna DiMaggio Berger says that doesn't protect the homeowners association from liability.

She says some key issues in a lawsuit would be: Did the homeowners association help set up the neighborhood watch program, and how much diligence did it show in training and overseeing the volunteers.


http://www.npr.org/2012/04/02/149866203/martins-parents-plan-to-sue-homeowners-association


The HOA were the ones who appointed GZ The NW coordinator..and sent a memo if the police didn't respond, to call GZ...I think they have lots to worry about..:maddening:

More power to them. I wonder how all those homeowners in the HOA are going to feel when they have to shell money out of their pockets to settle this case when Zimmerman was nothing but a renter. He doesn't even own property in this HOA. That makes it pretty hilarious to me!



~jmo~