17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[Adrienne37]

Yep, I'd be on Zimmerman like white on rice if my child walked by his house and he proceeded to spray them down with a water hose. It's my job to punish my children, certainly not his. That is the wrong way of handling a situation such as that and is just another piece of the puzzle which indicates to me the type of person that Zimmerman really is.



~jmo~

 

[stmarysmead]

I guess it is matter of interpretation. I do not read that harassment has to be a repeatedly occurrence in order to became an illegal activity unless "and/or" was used. But how do I know. English is not my native language anyway.

ONE NIGHT...for how long...as it even an hour?...a man who lived in a neighborhood that had had numerous burgulares (all the SOLVED ones were young Black males)...follows a young Black male stranger. He calls 911...kind of odd if it wwere premditated MURDER...and tries to keep the person's whereabouts KNOWN.

If he was going to "gun down" TM ...call the police after. Shoot him from aafar before you get ANY injuries. Hey, this guy, according to many, is an evil genius...with "connections" in the police department. Shoot him at a good distance...if that's the case.

This man is charged with nothing. None of us have seen evidence or witness depositions. It may be that GZ SHOULD be tried, ut how SHAMEFUL, at this point, to imply what NONE OF US know.

If you want to discuss the Stand Your Ground Law...fine. Or "profiling"...there's two sides to a lot of this. But then it needs to be respectful but honest discussion. And we begin with statistics of crime from Sanford that hard working people of ALL colors must deal with every day. Let's address THEIR fear, their weariness, their desire to live in peace with the things they worked hard for.

 

[m00c0w]

BBM

LOL, they're kinda my gig as well.

If every jelly bean in Sanford Florida was young, purple, and male you would be correct. However, purple jelly beans only make up a fraction of the available control group of jelly beans for our random bag make up:



Then you have to consider the further control requirement that not only must our jelly beans be purple but male as well and factor in that, of this 30.5% group of purple jelly beans, only slightly less than half are going to be male:



Last but not least, we have to account for the final control requirement that our jelly beans must be not only purple and male, but young jelly beans as well:



As you can see, when you factor in all control components for this random bag of jelly beans, the odds of the remaining 4 being young, purple male jelly beans are not so overwhelming at all.

You're just as likely to pull out four more purple jelly beans as you were the first time. And since the first three defied these tremendous odds, you can't really say that the last four would not.

This is similar to saying that because black individuals only make up 13% of the population in the US, it'd be silly to claim they comprise ~50% of convicted murderers. For your statistics with regards to demographic information to mean anything, you'd have to have crime rates based on race to see if crimes committed by a certain race is disproportional to their population size. This isn't actually a random sample you're drawing conclusions on. It's a sample of burglars in the Sanford area. Just because there are more Asians, for instance, in the area doesn't mean it's more likely that the burglars are Asian. You have to look at crime trends in the area, not just raw population data.

 

[SoSueMe]

Let's stick to this case and only this case, please folks.

 

[songline]

I guess it is matter of interpretation. I do not read that harassment has to be a repeatedly occurrence in order to became an illegal activity unless "and/or" was used. But how do I know. English is not my native language anyway.

the post I replied to gave the discription of what it means I just went by that.

 

[HiHater]

IMHO, jellybeans are very accurate. As many colors of jelly beans as there are, there are about that many demographics of people.

Old Black women, hispanic girls, young white men, old white men, young black men, old black men, etc., assign each a color.

And you have 8 in a bag. You pull out three, and they're ALL young black men (designated purple). That stat alone is so striking, considering all the demographics possible, that you can infer that the chances of the rest being purple is high.

scratch that...preemptive snip :twocents::moo:

 

[Bee Happy]

We have all used a racial slur even about our own, whatever we may be or wherever we may come from. It does not make one a racist.
IMO A racist displays hatefulness toward particular groups. This would be consistent, not a one slur… Which incidentally I did not hear, but listened.

Never.

 

[highflyer]

Have been a neighborhood watch person of a different sort years ago. We had a program through school that designated people had signs that we would put in our windows so that kids knew it was a safe place if someone was following them or they were being picked on. Wish they'd had that in that neighborhood.

 

[Nova]

I don't see Trayvon's family teaching him differently than any other mother and father would teach their child? I give his mother more credit than this. Of course she would encourage her son to call 911 and to run if he is scared for his life. I can't imagine any mother telling their child not to run from someone who scares him, and not to call 911 because they'll probably just take their time getting there. In movies, maybe.

LE can't say "when we get a free car". They have to treat every emergency call the same.

I don't know what TM's mother or father taught him, but African Americans in some neighborhoods have good reason to believe the police are not their friends and that calling 911 is more likely to end in incarceration for the black caller than in his receiving aid.

Bill Maher had an African-American guest a couple of weeks ago who talked about how by necessity African-American males are taught many things ("don't run away from trouble" being one of them) that the rest of us wouldn't teach our children.

It's naive to pretend this isn't true.

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks it's kind of lighthearted and funny to spray kids with a hose when they're bullying a fat child. No one's ever been harmed by a garden hose, and it gets the point across. If a kid of mine had been squirted by a neighbor for making fun of a fat child, I'd say well serves you right.

There was a couple engaged in too much affection, as they say, near the football field one practice and the coach went over and dumped an 8 gallon cooler of water on them. It's funny - and gets the point across.

 

[songline]

Never.

Just as I got to this post, I heard one of the maintenance men outside calling his colleague some name. they are both of the same origin.

 

[vlpate]

Any number of things could cause the phone to disconnect. She may have hung up, thinking that he was no longer there. His battery could have died (would explain why the dad was getting straight to voicemail later on). He could have inadvertently hung up...etc etc.

There's no reason, at this point, to assume that the girlfriend heard any more than what has been reported.

JMO MOO IMO

I do have reason to believe she heard more because it doesn't make sense - the coincidence that his battery may have died at that very moment? Not likely.
- According to her, Trayvon said he was being followed, she heard Trayvon ask, "why are you following me", she heard a "scuffle" and the phone went dead. I know everyone has decided that she would not have dialed 911 due to age and perhaps what she was taught - but she would at least have tried calling him back....and if she reached voice mail - it will be on his phone, which LE has.
- LE has charging cords for every phone imaginable - if the battery died, they could have charged it right up and Tracy's call would have gone through and it would have shown up on Trayvon's bill, below. There would at least be a voice mail for LE to return- but we don't know this for sure, JMO

I find it extremely hard to believe the girlfriend did not try to call Trayvon back, nor did anyone else call Trayvon, between 2/26 and 3/2. I find it even harder to believe detectives never phoned the person Trayvon was on the phone with when he died, Trayvon's girlfriend. JMO

Phone records of Trayvon Martin's phone logs from ABC.

 

[rbrnmw2]

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[Elley Mae]

I wonder if someone went out back after everyone left, found the phone and called 911, the call was 12:45 3-2-12

 

[suzihawk]

There is nothing appropriate, funny, light hearted or normal about spraying other people's children with a hose to teach them a lesson. Nothing! I'm gobsmacked to find that not only do some find it acceptable, but funny. There is no way to rationalize it to be anything other than abusive. IMO!

:notgood:

 

[m00c0w]

Never.

It's interesting you say never... There are a lot of words in our vernacular that were derived from epithets.

"Gypped" is a common one. "Vandalism" refers to the more "civilized" Romans' characterization of the activities of the "barbarians" (another one of those words) of the time, the Vandals. Same with "Hooligans" and a few other terms that have since become fairly commonplace and seemingly innocuous.

 

[LambChop]

I do have reason to believe she heard more because it doesn't make sense - the coincidence that his battery may have died at that very moment? Not likely.
- According to her, Trayvon said he was being followed, she heard Trayvon ask, "why are you following me", she heard a "scuffle" and the phone went dead. I know everyone has decided that she would not have dialed 911 due to age and perhaps what she was taught - but she would at least have tried calling him back....and if she reached voice mail - it will be on his phone, which LE has.
- LE has charging cords for every phone imaginable - if the battery died, they could have charged it right up and Tracy's call would have gone through and it would have shown up on Trayvon's bill, below. There would at least be a voice mail for LE to return- but we don't know this for sure, JMO

I find it extremely hard to believe the girlfriend did not try to call Trayvon back, nor did anyone else call Trayvon, between 2/26 and 3/2. I find it even harder to believe detectives never phoned the person Trayvon was on the phone with when he died, Trayvon's girlfriend. JMO

Phone records of Trayvon Martin's phone logs from ABC.

If he had a slide phone and it was knocked out of his hand, or he dropped it, it would disconnect....mine does. If the phone landed on the ground the battery could have come out....mine does. That is why it's important to know where the phone was found, where the earbuds were found. jmo

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Just as I got to this post, I heard one of the maintenance men outside calling his colleague some name. they are both of the same origin.

Yes but you said everyone. And we are telling you for a fact not everyone, cause we don't use racial slurs, with friends or enemies for any purpose. I understand your point. Yes some do. But not all...

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[katydid23]

There is nothing appropriate, funny, light hearted or normal about spraying other people's children with a hose to teach them a lesson. Nothing! I'm gobsmacked to find that not only do some find it acceptable, but funny. There is no way to rationalize it to be anything other than abusive. IMO!

:notgood:

How is WATER from a hose ABUSIVE?

A chubby kid was being routinely bullied by these kids. Does that bother anyone?

 

[Bee Happy]

Just as I got to this post, I heard one of the maintenance men outside calling his colleague some name. they are both of the same origin.

Oh, I'm sure it happens a great deal. LOL
I just would never.