17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[vlpate]

So you think a 15 year old girl is going to go in front of a Grand Jury and lie? Testifying before a Grand Jury would be very intimidating even for and adult, do you really think a 15 year old girl is going to be able to lie under that type of pressure and nerves?

Did I say that???

 

[Tulessa]

My adopted daughter had her head slammed into a wall by her bmom, she had no initial exterior signs, was found unconscious had mutliple cerebral bleeds and infarcts (strokes) wound up in a coma for 17 days and had multiple brain surgeries after that. She is now 13 and wheelchair bound and has a feeding tube, seizures, etc. Traumatic brain injury can have very different effects, look at some of the soldiers, emotional issues, etc. I just can't swallow his head was "slammed" into anything, the grass but his immediate actions after and on the video he looked so relaxed, leaned back casually against the wall. The is just my impression and means absolutely nothing I suppose.

God bless you sweetheart. Give her a special hug from me.

 

[Tulessa]

Bit-O-Honey is my weakness!

Alright everyone... have to get some work done. Deadline looming! Have a great night.

Justice for Trayvon.

No No No Cracker barrel Berry!! BOT sorry!

 

[m00c0w]

I respectfully disagree in the strongest possible terms. That is one of the things that makes this entire "head hit on the concrete" so very impossible to believe. Even what many people consider a minor trauma, to an adult or to a child can result in some very serious complications and there does not have to show ANY visible damage to head or neck. The person can be just fine, and no one will know that they are bleeding into the brain, or between the dura mater and the brain until they suddenly have altered consciousness and at that point it is life threatening and they may in fact lose substatial areas of brain function forever...That is why even minor sports related bumps on the head, and traffic accidents get sent in for testing around here.'

I am not making any of this up, I promise, so here is a link

When an injury occurs, loss of brain function can occur even without visible damage to the head. Force applied to the head may cause the brain to be directly injured or shaken, bouncing against the inner wall of the skull. The trauma can potentially cause bleeding in the spaces surrounding the brain, bruise the brain tissue, or damage the nerve connections within the brain.http://www.emedicinehealth.com/head_injury/article_em.htm

TBI by Age

• Children aged 0 to 4 years, older adolescents aged 15 to 19 years, and adults aged 65 years and older are most likely to sustain a TBI.
• Almost half a million (473,947) emergency department visits for TBI are made annually by children aged 0 to 14 years.
• Adults aged 75 years and older have the highest rates of TBI-related hospitalization and death.

http://www.cdc.gov/traumaticbraininjury/statistics.html#A

What I said is factually correct. Thank you.

 

[vlpate]

I think the point is anyone who is claiming their head was bashed against cement numerous times should have been taken to the ER...unless he didn't tell the EMT that. This was someone with SFD who had nothing to lose by taking him to the hospital for a doctor to check him out even if he couldn't see any damage. That is what bothers me. Ten minutes at the most to look at GZ and off he goes to the SPD. Sounds like GZ was just cleaned up and off he went. jmo

From what I understand, and it makes sense, Trayvon was not holding George by his ears, picking up and slamming George's head onto the cement. His head hit the cement when Trayvon decked him, and any hit to George's head Trayvon got in after that, smacked GZ's head to the cement. Makes sense to me.

 

[mfcmom]

The other reason I believe he would have been transported was because he was allegedly "detained" but not arrested, and I don't think they would have exposed themselves to a lawsuit. It would have been protocol to cover their behinds.

 

[LambChop]

I respectfully disagree in the strongest possible terms. That is one of the things that makes this entire "head hit on the concrete" so very impossible to believe. Even what many people consider a minor trauma, to an adult or to a child can result in some very serious complications and there does not have to show ANY visible damage to head or neck. The person can be just fine, and no one will know that they are bleeding into the brain, or between the dura mater and the brain until they suddenly have altered consciousness and at that point it is life threatening and they may in fact lose substatial areas of brain function forever...That is why even minor sports related bumps on the head, and traffic accidents get sent in for testing around here.'

I am not making any of this up, I promise, so here is a link

When an injury occurs, loss of brain function can occur even without visible damage to the head. Force applied to the head may cause the brain to be directly injured or shaken, bouncing against the inner wall of the skull. The trauma can potentially cause bleeding in the spaces surrounding the brain, bruise the brain tissue, or damage the nerve connections within the brain.http://www.emedicinehealth.com/head_injury/article_em.htm

That is why I don't think he told the EMT about his head being bashed. He may have had to "create" a reason after being spoon fed the information that he had to be in fear of his life. It would be interesting to hear from the EMT. jmo

 

[Reader]

Any doctor that recommends waiting a couple days to be seen for a broken nose should have their license revoked.

Has there been any information about GZ seeking medical treatment since the incident happened?

 

[frenchvixen]

BBM.

That is the question I am waiting to have answered. I sure hope they factored distance and documented the bullet trajectory but who knows.

Two witnesses (eyewitnesses) reported that TM and GZ were wrestling in the grass in between two townhomes. I believe them when they say tht b/c they didn't know each other and they both stated the same thing. One is a 13 y o boy. The other is a grown man who said he was steps away from the fight when GZ screamed out to him "help" and he said, "stop please. I'm calling for help". By the time he got to his window to continue monitoring the fight TM had been shot.

What I don't understand is how did TM ended up facedown in the grass. Both accounts stated that TM was on top and GZ on the bottom. The older eyewitness stated that GZ was yellng for help. Why did the experts say that it was TM yelling for help. Why did the screams stop after the shot. I imagine it should have been even more screaming after you've shot someone b/c now you go into rescue mode and out of defensive mode.

Also, if TM was screaming "help, help". Why was he screaming? If you are fighting with someone as both accounts stated why would you be screaming help? I mean people fight all the time and unless your life is in danger and you know it why would you scream such a desperate "help". Sometimes I think that GZ was waving the gun at TM and TM knew that he was going to be shot and he started screaming but the accounts do not support this.

 

[m00c0w]

Two witnesses (eyewitnesses) reported that TM and GZ were wrestling in the grass in between two townhomes. I believe them when they say tht b/c they didn't know each other and they both stated the same thing. One is a 13 y o boy. The other is a grown man who said he was steps away from the fight when GZ screamed out to him "help" and he said, "stop please. I'm calling for help". By the time he got to his window to continue monitoring the fight TM had been shot.

What I don't understand is how did TM ended up facedown in the grass. Both accounts stated that TM was on top and GZ on the bottom. The older eyewitness stated that GZ was yellng for help. Why did the experts say that it was TM yelling for help. Why did the screams stop after the shot. I imagine it should have been even more screaming after you've shot someone b/c now you go into rescue mode and out of defensive mode.

Also, if TM was screaming "help, help". Why was he screaming? If you are fighting with someone as both accounts stated why would you be screaming help? I mean people fight all the time and unless your life is in danger and you know it why would you scream such a desperate "help". Sometimes I think that GZ was waving the gun at TM and TM knew that he was going to be shot and he started screaming but the accounts do not support this.

BBM

They didn't.

 

[Tulessa]

I respectfully disagree in the strongest possible terms. That is one of the things that makes this entire "head hit on the concrete" so very impossible to believe. Even what many people consider a minor trauma, to an adult or to a child can result in some very serious complications and there does not have to show ANY visible damage to head or neck. The person can be just fine, and no one will know that they are bleeding into the brain, or between the dura mater and the brain until they suddenly have altered consciousness and at that point it is life threatening and they may in fact lose substatial areas of brain function forever...That is why even minor sports related bumps on the head, and traffic accidents get sent in for testing around here.'

I am not making any of this up, I promise, so here is a link

When an injury occurs, loss of brain function can occur even without visible damage to the head. Force applied to the head may cause the brain to be directly injured or shaken, bouncing against the inner wall of the skull. The trauma can potentially cause bleeding in the spaces surrounding the brain, bruise the brain tissue, or damage the nerve connections within the brain.http://www.emedicinehealth.com/head_injury/article_em.htm

Thank you. I don't know of ANY Doctor that would tell a patient NOT to come in. That just doesn't make sense. But then I live in Kentucky.

 

[TonyGatto]

Two witnesses (eyewitnesses) reported that TM and GZ were wrestling in the grass in between two townhomes. I believe them when they say tht b/c they didn't know each other and they both stated the same thing. One is a 13 y o boy. The other is a grown man who said he was steps away from the fight when GZ screamed out to him "help" and he said, "stop please. I'm calling for help". By the time he got to his window to continue monitoring the fight TM had been shot.

What I don't understand is how did TM ended up facedown in the grass. Both accounts stated that TM was on top and GZ on the bottom. The older eyewitness stated that GZ was yellng for help. Why did the experts say that it was TM yelling for help. Why did the screams stop after the shot. I imagine it should have been even more screaming after you've shot someone b/c now you go into rescue mode and out of defensive mode.

Also, if TM was screaming "help, help". Why was he screaming? If you are fighting with someone as both accounts stated why would you be screaming help? I mean people fight all the time and unless your life is in danger and you know it why would you scream such a desperate "help". Sometimes I think that GZ was waving the gun at TM and TM knew that he was going to be shot and he started screaming but the accounts do not support this.

I'm not totally convinced it was TM screaming.

 

[Sensei]

http://www.cdc.gov/traumaticbraininjury/statistics.html#A

What I said is factually correct. Thank you.

As far as it goes it is factually correct,it only says that children are more suseptible, not that it does not happen to adults only that children have a higher incidence, due to a variety of factors. In the immediate case that we are currently discussing. We have trained EMT's, who see a better view of the state of GZ's head whether contusions or gashes, and they have further evidence of a story that he has had his head hit against either concrete or the ground, and they did not take him anywhere....they didn't transport at all, there are no bandages, and no steri strips to be seen, IOW they took the chance that there was damage, and let him go with LE, knowing that there was a possibility that he was suffering from concussion, or had a bleeding, or swelling injury inside his skull....

This makes NO SENSE to me, in fact it is simply not plausible IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Reader]

Do we have an ideas who else besides the GF will be called by the GJ?

I'm pretty sure they will call GZ, all the LE involved and whatever witnesses they want the GJ to hear.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't think his head hit the cement nor do I believe Martin punched him in the nose. If any of that happened he would have told the EMT's that and Officer Smith was standing right there and would have heard it.

 

[LambChop]

From what I understand, and it makes sense, Trayvon was not holding George by his ears, picking up and slamming George's head onto the cement. His head hit the cement when Trayvon decked him, and any hit to George's head Trayvon got in after that, smacked GZ's head to the cement. Makes sense to me.

I thought what came out of LE, FT, and GZ's family was the TM repeatedly slammed his head onto the cement. Who said TM decked him...I thought TM jumped him from behind wouldn't that have caused an injury to his forehead? And what if TM didn't deck him, what if GZ grabbed TM and TM fell on top of GZ and GZ hit his head when he went down. It's just as likely since GZ was in hot pursuit of TM that he was determined TM was not getting away (they always get away) and was holding on to him (wrestling) until TM saw the gun and started to yell (because now it seems the yelling may have come from TM). What if as TM is yelling he manages to pull loose, GM pulls his gun and shots as TM is getting up, pulling GZ up part of the way with him and TM grabs his chests, turns and falls flat on his face with his hands still on his chest. That would make sense to me because with what we know it's a good possibility. Not saying GZ pulled the trigger to kill him, just that the gun went off. That would account for GZ leaning down on TM, on his back and then standing and putting his hands on his head as if to say "What did I do?"

Personally I think the FBI already knows what happened. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Last week I was thinking to myself if only GZ had approached TM respectfully and said, "hi, I'm the neighborhood watchman do you live here". Then this would not have happened. Then I realized there is no way he would have approached him that way b/c based on his mindset and his narration to the police TM was the bad guy. It is unconceivable to me how he came to this conclusion. I myself when I first heard GZ's 911 call I thought that TM was indeed the bad guy b/c I started to wonder, "why is he running". Then I read the other half of the story of TM telling his g/f that someone was following him and I realized that he was running b/c he was afraid.

BEM: According to his girlfriend, he said he wasn't going to run.

If you believe he was afraid, which he may well have been, why would he not call 911, why wouldn't his girlfriend? Interested in your take.

 

[frenchvixen]

BBM

They didn't.

The experts stated that it was not GZ screaming and since there was only one other person there we can deduce that it was TM. But, why did to independent eyewitnesses say that GZ was screaming for help?

 

[highflyer]

BEM: According to his girlfriend, he said he wasn't going to run.

If you believe he was afraid, which he may well have been, why would he not call 911, why wouldn't his girlfriend? Interested in your take.

How would she know exactly where he was to call 911?

 

[Sensei]

The experts stated that it was not GZ screaming and since there was only one other person there we can deduce that it was TM. But, why did to independent eyewitnesses say that GZ was screaming for help?

I have kind of been wondering if GZ called for help AFTER he shot TM.

I don't think that if it was GZ yelling and screaming on the 911 call that he would have abruptly stopped immediately after he shot, that just doesn't seem likely, would he not keep screaming until he was sure that the attack was over, and then continue screaming to get some help?

Maybe the screaming was TM, and then after the shot, GZ yelled for help and it was not captured on a 911 tape. Just a thought