17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[Concerned Papa]

Zimmerman is not considered a suspect. Why would he talk about it? I'm sure his lawyer has advised him not to talk as well. The SPD's decision is being investigated - I would imagine his attorney has advised him as well. JMO

BBM

Their word, not mine:

Why is everyone BUT him talking about it?

Why is he the only one receiving an order of silence from SPD?

 

[mercuriod]

Police tested the gun. There was only one bullet fired. Whatever that witness believed he heard, he had to be mistaken.

You have a link to the police report regarding the testing of the gun? Anything even a major news report regarding the police report stating that there was only one bullet fired? Because I have never heard this report before.

 

[leanaí]

Really. I can think of many other groups that need advocates.
The sick, the poor, the disabled, the elderly, animals etc
Advocates for peace.Advocates for human rights etc. Frankly almost everybody needs an advocate at some time in their life and some are lucky enough to find one. IMO
Advocate is also another word for a lawyer.

Children's rights should come before any of those you mentioned so I will stand by what I said. And when are animals people?

 

[stmarysmead]

Someday we need to have a respectful conversation about this issue of profiling.

If a community of hard working people starts having burgularies, vandalism etc...and, looking at the STATISTICS...the COLD FACTS...of these crimes...there is a pattern that the description of the people involved... matches that of the Amish community nearby...unfortunately, IMO, residents will begin to be watchful of Amish looking strangers in their area...partcularly at night,or at times when these acts of crime or vandalism are taking place. Does that mean they HATE Amish? No, it means they are reacting to the REALITY of the crime statistics in their neighborhood.

They did not wake up fearing Amish kids....they are reacting to the REALITY of crime in the place they live. Maybe it is people who look like they are Bangladesh and wear traditional Indian garb committing , BY STATISTICS, the crime in another area. People will then..."profile" differently. Is this outrageous?

I would like to see a 3 three year printout of crime statitics in that condo area and in Sanford, before I condemn GZ.

The way to solve the problem is not to blame the people who are having their property defaced, their homes burgalarized. They are desparate to be safe. You cannot FORCE them to reject the reality of the situation in their neighborhood.

The problem is solved by all good people facing facts.

In all the hysteria and the condemnation of GZ...all the political posturing about Black Children being hunted down and killed by Whites...have we seen any statistics? How many Black youngsters are tragically killed by Hispanic Neighbor Watch Captains every year? How many by other Black children? You can read the statistics for yourself.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

This is what is apalling and deceptive about politicans like this one (link follows)... the softball questions the media asks of her. WHO REALLY is hunting down and killing 4/5 of Black homicide victims? Not WHITE HISPANIC Watch Captains. Not other Whites. If she wants to stop this TRAGEDY...she can start by dealing with REALITY. WE Should ALL join together to deal with THE TRUTH. Not this hysterical nonsense! How many children will it save if she is "solving" the wrong problem? Who does that help? HER...to get re-elected? She is not saving the vast majority of children she claims to care about...by concentrating on this one case. She claims Black Children are being "hunted like dogs in the street" Then STATISCALLY, she should speak the truth as to who really is hunting them.

Then maaybe we can all, as part of the human family, work to solve the issue.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/...h-was-murder-congresswoman.html#storylink=cpy

The politiization of this case is already having a backlash. Just in a few weeks,at a meeting of a diverse group of people of all backgrounds...I have seen an amazing change. Sympathy has been replaced by a counter reaction to all the hysteria, bile, and hate shown to GZ. It may feel good but it is counterproductive.

 

[Donjeta]

Trayvon is no less dead even if his killing was statistically rare. IMO.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I hope this isn't tied into this case, and a sign of things to come:

SANFORD --

Dozens of bullets sprayed into a Sanford neighborhood early Wednesday morning, sending three people to the hospital, including a women believed to be eight months pregnant.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...4/4/sanford_triple_shoot#.T3wZQAsn2pw.twitter

 

[stmarysmead]

Trayvon is no less dead even if his killing was statistically rare. IMO.

Nevertheless, for a politican...to say this "statisically rare" case proves Blacks are being hunted likedogs by Whites is outrageous. This woman is NOT THE FIRST to say things like this. It's offensive and untrue...yet unchallenged. It is doing TM's family no favors.

Why is this rhetoric being tolerated by thse who support TM? Statiistics prove it is a LIE. Where is the outrage?

WHERE ARE TM's supporters when lies are told?

Or is anything A-OK? ReallY?

The question of who is really killing all these Black young men...and the reasons that GZ might have looked an an innocent young man with suspicion...MAY BE avoided by the media, and on message Boards that do not allow a broader discussion...but the actual STATISTICS will no doubt become part of any trial...and is ALREADY what people are discussing out in the real world. People who WANT to save those children slaughtered on the street every day...are not going to be manipulated by Politican's outrageous distortions. Her words are vile, not only because they are lies...but because she is deliberately avoiding real issue....so she does not keep one Black child safer.

Oh wait...maybe the one..who every 10 years is shot in a victimmized community by a Neighborhood Watch Captain.

But thoysands will keep dying from her comfortable denial of FACT.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, you explained it yourself.

If there is a crime report saying the Amish did something people will look at the Amish.
If there is a crime report saying a Hispanic NW captain did something people will look at GZ.
They're reacting to the reality of the crime they see even if it's a rarer occurrence.

I am sure nobody thinks that it's A-OK that black kids are murdering other black kids.
But even though it happens far too often it does not imo mean that people of other demographics should be allowed to kill black kids and not be condemned. Trayvon's death is just as much reality as the other crimes you mentioned.

It angers people because it looks like GZ is getting away with it with a pat on the back ("never mind, it was not a crime to kill this young man under Florida law..."); they perceive that the black kids who kill other black kids tend to end up with their azz in jail for life.

 

[stmarysmead]

Well, you explained it yourself.

If there is a crime report saying the Amish did something people will look at the Amish.
If there is a crime report saying a Hispanic NW captain did something people will look at GZ.
They're reacting to the reality of the crime they see even if it's a rarer occurrence.

I am sure nobody thinks that it's A-OK that black kids are murdering other black kids.
But even though it happens far too often it does not imo mean that people of other demographics should be allowed to kill black kids and not be condemned. Trayvon's death is just as much reality as the other crimes you mentioned.

So if statistics show that most crime in that condo area was done by teenage boys...Amish, Black, or otherwise...then GZ had justification to be "watchful" of any one who fit that description. As you say...that's where people "will Look" Let's see the 3 year crime statistics for Sanford and that condo unit.

I'm not objecting to the calls for investigation....I'm objecting to using one ONE ...ONE incident to say that Whites are Hunting Blacks...and this being said by someone who is an elected politican. Would we tolerate such things said IN REVERSE by politicans when it's a black-on-white crime? I hope not!!

I hope decent people would stand up and humiiate this type of politican...or "leader!" But I do not see that.

 

[Donjeta]

It is imo wise to be always aware of one's surroundings but GZ went beyond "watchful" into "paranoid" imo and that's usually bad. Watchful to me does not equal calling to report people who are apparently doing nothing wrong at the time just because they're teenage boys, or following them around armed.

 

[TonyGatto]

So if statistics show that most crime in that condo area was done by teenage boys...Amish, Black, or otherwise...then GZ had justification to be "watchful" of any one who fit that description. As you say...that's where people "will Look" Let's see the 3 year crime statistics for Sanford and that condo unit.

I'm not objecting to the calls for investigation....I'm objecting to using one ONE ...ONE incident to say that Whites are Hunting Blacks...and this being said by someone who is an elected politican. Would we tolerate such things said IN REVERSE by politicans when it's a black-on-white crime? I hope not!!

I hope decent people would stand up and humiiate this type of politican...or "leader!" But I do not see that.

If you're talking about the congresswoman with the hat -- she's a wacko. You're not hearing whites are out hunting blacks from anyone in the mainstream, certainly not the Martins or their representatives.

 

[stmarysmead]

If you're talking about the congresswoman with the hat -- she's a wacko. You're not hearing whites are out hunting blacks from anyone in the mainstream, certainly not the Martins or their representatives.

Similar things are being said by others we are not alowed to discuss here. Someone who cares about the Martins should go on National TV and make it clear that they do not condone that type of language. Because they are truly losing support and respect with this type of "friend." When one is part of a story that bcomes a media sensation, it is really crucial to "call out your own" when they go WAY too far. We cannot mention other cases, but believe me...the public turns on you if you tolerate "friends" like some of the "friends" jumping into this case. Zimmermann will have a ticker tape parade through Sanford if they continue to outrage and offend BEYOND FACT.

Racism is ugly on any skin hue and even when wearing a hat.

 

[TonyGatto]

Similar things are being said by others we are not alowed to discuss here. Someone who cares about the Martins should go on National TV and make it clear that they do not condone that type of language. Because they are truly losing support and respect with this type of "friend."

Racism is ugly on any skin hue and even when wearing a hat.

I think the people who care about the Martins are busy right now getting justice for Trayvon. The battle to end perceived reverse-racism will have to wait for another day.

 

[Etilema]

I assume if they don't have confidence of LE, they would be afraid under most circumstances.

It did address one kind of fear: Percent of African-American people who report sometimes being afraid of being stopped and arrested when they are completely innocent, 2000: 36%

Compared with only 14% of whites. Also notice that confidence in LE is lower among younger people.

For those who don't understand how these fears could affect whether TM wpuld call 911, think of it like this--if cops have racial bias (perhaps even without being aware of it), when a cop shows up to investigate the guy following Trayvon, and GZ has a cover story (which, as it happens, he had already set up with his prior call) that he witnessed Trayvon attempting to break into a residence, they would be more inclined to believe GZ, and maybe even arrest him.

Earlier in this thread, our fellow sleuther Bee Happy, who says in spite of being black just about all her life she would never hesitate to call 911, says that when she reported a break-in to her home she was treated like a criminal by LE. If this is the treatment that a black, homeschooling, knitting mama got, imagine how a black teenager in a hoodie might be regarded.

JMO

 

[francie]

I'd like to know where his phone was? They didn't appear to have collected it at SPD. jmo

I wonder how they identified Trayvon for the police report that night if they didn’t have his phone, didn’t they know his name when they almost accidentally sent him to the funeral home as a john doe? I may be confused about that. But if they really don’t have it, I wonder if they tossed it to help GZ after retired magistrate Judge Zimmerman went to the police station (& maybe crime scene) that night? I can’t help but think the former judge used influence/intimidation to get George out of this mess, I mean after all, George was allowed to go home within hours as though nothing had happened. JMO JMO

From Fox35 interview March 28 retired Judge Robert Zimmerman (starts at 14:50 mark):

“I was a magistrate judge.” (Q-Do you think your being a judge has affected the case in any way… do you think they gave George an easier time out because of that?) “No one knew that I was a retired magistrate Judge [that night], I didn’t mention it to the police, I didn’t mention it to the state attorney’s office.” (my transcription)

Also interesting is the judge’s comment admitting to meeting with the state attorney’s office and police THAT NIGHT. JMO.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview

<mod snip> JMO

 

[oh_gal]

http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news-regrets-editing-trayvon-shooting-call-220720073.html

Gosh...I wonder what else we'll find out was twisted or otherwise taken out of context?

 

[Etilema]

I wonder how they identified Trayvon for the police report that night if they didn’t have his phone, didn’t they know his name when they almost accidentally sent him to the funeral home as a john doe? I may be confused about that. But if they really don’t have it, I wonder if they tossed it to help GZ after retired magistrate Judge Zimmerman went to the police station (& maybe crime scene) that night? I can’t help but think the former judge used influence/intimidation to get George out of this mess, I mean after all, George was allowed to go home within hours as though nothing had happened. JMO JMO

From Fox35 interview March 28 retired Judge Robert Zimmerman (starts at 14:50 mark):

“I was a magistrate judge.” (Q-Do you think your being a judge has affected the case in any way… do you think they gave George an easier time out because of that?) “No one knew that I was a retired magistrate Judge [that night], I didn’t mention it to the police, I didn’t mention it to the state attorney’s office.” (my transcription)

Also interesting in the judge’s comment is that he admits meeting with the state attorney’s office and police THAT NIGHT. JMO.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview

Yes, that is interesting. As is the question of how they had TM's name as victim on the police report?

 

[LambChop]

Someday we need to have a respectful conversation about this issue of profiling.

If a community of hard working people starts having burgularies, vandalism etc...and, looking at the STATISTICS...the COLD FACTS...of these crimes...there is a pattern that the description of the people involved... matches that of the Amish community nearby...unfortunately, IMO, residents will begin to be watchful of Amish looking strangers in their area...partcularly at night,or at times when these acts of crime or vandalism are taking place. Does that mean they HATE Amish? No, it means they are reacting to the REALITY of the crime statistics in their neighborhood.

They did not wake up fearing Amish kids....they are reacting to the REALITY of crime in the place they live. Maybe it is people who look like they are Bangladesh and wear traditional Indian garb committing , BY STATISTICS, the crime in another area. People will then..."profile" differently. Is this outrageous?

I would like to see a 3 three year printout of crime statitics in that condo area and in Sanford, before I condemn GZ.

The way to solve the problem is not to blame the people who are having their property defaced, their homes burgalarized. They are desparate to be safe. You cannot FORCE them to reject the reality of the situation in their neighborhood.

The problem is solved by all good people facing facts.

In all the hysteria and the condemnation of GZ...all the political posturing about Black Children being hunted down and killed by Whites...have we seen any statistics? How many Black youngsters are tragically killed by Hispanic Neighbor Watch Captains every year? How many by other Black children? You can read the statistics for yourself.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

This is what is apalling and deceptive about politicans like this one (link follows)... the softball questions the media asks of her. WHO REALLY is hunting down and killing 4/5 of Black homicide victims? Not WHITE HISPANIC Watch Captains. Not other Whites. If she wants to stop this TRAGEDY...she can start by dealing with REALITY. WE Should ALL join together to deal with THE TRUTH. Not this hysterical nonsense! How many children will it save if she is "solving" the wrong problem? Who does that help? HER...to get re-elected? She is not saving the vast majority of children she claims to care about...by concentrating on this one case. She claims Black Children are being "hunted like dogs in the street" Then STATISCALLY, she should speak the truth as to who really is hunting them.

Then maaybe we can all, as part of the human family, work to solve the issue.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/...h-was-murder-congresswoman.html#storylink=cpy

The politiization of this case is already having a backlash. Just in a few weeks,at a meeting of a diverse group of people of all backgrounds...I have seen an amazing change. Sympathy has been replaced by a counter reaction to all the hysteria, bile, and hate shown to GZ. It may feel good but it is counterproductive.

If GA had stayed with his vehicle and waited for LE this never would have happened. LE wouldn't have shot TM. It appears to me that all the other residents that called 911 this night did exactly what they had been told.....wait for police to arrive. jmo

 

[leanaí]

Compared with only 14% of whites. Also notice that confidence in LE is lower among younger people.

For those who don't understand how these fears could affect whether TM wpuld call 911, think of it like this--if cops have racial bias (perhaps even without being aware of it), when a cop shows up to investigate the guy following Trayvon, and GZ has a cover story (which, as it happens, he had already set up with his prior call) that he witnessed Trayvon attempting to break into a residence, they would be more inclined to believe GZ, and maybe even arrest him.

Earlier in this thread, our fellow sleuther Bee Happy, who says in spite of being black just about all her life she would never hesitate to call 911, says that when she reported a break-in to her home she was treated like a criminal by LE. If this is the treatment that a black, homeschooling, knitting mama got, imagine how a black teenager in a hoodie might be regarded.

JMO

It's not only blacks that are treated like criminals by LE, every race has it's share of being treated badly by them, whites included.

 

[oh_gal]

It's not only blacks that are treated like criminals by LE, every race has it's share of being treated badly by them, whites included.

Thank you!!!