Thanks, but I wonder if she is actually wrong this time?
17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16
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Thanks, but I wonder if she is actually wrong this time?
BBM..Same applies to TM in regards to HOW GZ re-acted to seeing him just walking down the sidewalk, making his way back to the residence of his father's girlfriend. TM is not responsible for and had no control over GZ's paranoia.
BTW.. There is no proof TM was the one pummeling GZ..JMHO
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ORLANDO, Fla. -- A local veteran criminal defense attorney has been hired by the man involved in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman has not been arrested for any crime, but hired Hal Uhrig for his defense team.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30833206/detail.html#ixzz1r5ejwnnn
George Zimmerman has not been arrested for any crime, but hired Hal Uhrig for his defense team.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30833206/detail.html#ixzz1r5ejwnnn
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Ok...how do you know TM was intimidated? We have no insight into his mind. And if he was attacking GZ, GZ was justified to do what he did.
"Repeatedly" is the key here. You can't follow someone "repeatedly" in a matter of minutes.
If he were to try to follow Trayvon every time Trayvon left the house, and he was asked to stop, that's stalking.
If I think you look like the guy who stole my dog, I'm going to follow you home. Nothing illegal about that whatsoever. Even if you're not the guy who did it.
Sure, but that does allow someone to physically assault the one they believe is stalking them?
Here's the transcript with Frank Taaffe talking about the robberies in the neighborhood, plus a follow-up today on CNN. I also put it on the Media Links thread.
There's more to all of this than what I have posted - click the links to read the whole interview.
Soledad O'Brien Interview with Zimmerman neighbor Frank Taaffe
O'BRIEN: So it sounds to me it made sense to you that George Zimmerman would be fearful of young black men.
TAAFFE: No. It would be consistent that the perpetrators were all of the young black male I.D.
O'BRIEN: Say that one more time?
TAAFFE: That's a fact.
O'BRIEN: What do you mean? I don't understand what you're saying.
TAAFFE: All of the perpetrators of the burglaries, the prior burglaries, were young black males.
O'BRIEN: And so when he saw Trayvon Martin, in your mind it would make perfect sense to say he's a young black male. It's probably robbery -- is that what you're saying?
TAAFFE: There's an old saying if you plant corn, you get corn.
O'BRIEN: I don't know that saying. I'll have to ask you to tell me what that means. What does that mean in this case?
TAAFFE: It is what it is. It is what it is. I would go on record by stating that of the eight prior burglaries in the 15 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, all of the perpetrators were young black males.
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Follow up from Soledad Interview with Frank Taaffe: CNN Transcript, April 4, 2012
Soledad (O'Brien) did speak to a man named Frank Taaffe. He lives in the community. He's a former neighborhood watch block captain. And here's exactly what he said to Soledad about crime in the area. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FRANK TAAFFE, FORMER NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH BLOCK CAPTAIN: We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. One of those -- it would have been nine, excuse me, there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman, through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress, documented in the 911 calls February 2nd. My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds, watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHO: Stopped one in progress. Is that true?
Well, CNN did some digging. According to Sanford police records -- and this is what we were talking about before. There were indeed eight robberies in that housing development in the 14 months prior to Trayvon's shooting. Four of them involved black male suspects. Another four had unidentified suspects.
Listen to this interesting detail, too. There's also a 911 call dated three weeks before Trayvon was killed. Police were called to an address that matches Frank Taaffe's address after the caller said they saw a black male at the home. When police got to the address, there was nobody there.
There's more to all of this than what I have posted - click the links to read the whole interview.
Soledad O'Brien Interview with Zimmerman neighbor Frank Taaffe
O'BRIEN: So it sounds to me it made sense to you that George Zimmerman would be fearful of young black men.
TAAFFE: No. It would be consistent that the perpetrators were all of the young black male I.D.
O'BRIEN: Say that one more time?
TAAFFE: That's a fact.
O'BRIEN: What do you mean? I don't understand what you're saying.
TAAFFE: All of the perpetrators of the burglaries, the prior burglaries, were young black males.
O'BRIEN: And so when he saw Trayvon Martin, in your mind it would make perfect sense to say he's a young black male. It's probably robbery -- is that what you're saying?
TAAFFE: There's an old saying if you plant corn, you get corn.
O'BRIEN: I don't know that saying. I'll have to ask you to tell me what that means. What does that mean in this case?
TAAFFE: It is what it is. It is what it is. I would go on record by stating that of the eight prior burglaries in the 15 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, all of the perpetrators were young black males.
~~~~~~~
Follow up from Soledad Interview with Frank Taaffe: CNN Transcript, April 4, 2012
Soledad (O'Brien) did speak to a man named Frank Taaffe. He lives in the community. He's a former neighborhood watch block captain. And here's exactly what he said to Soledad about crime in the area. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FRANK TAAFFE, FORMER NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH BLOCK CAPTAIN: We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. One of those -- it would have been nine, excuse me, there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman, through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress, documented in the 911 calls February 2nd. My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds, watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHO: Stopped one in progress. Is that true?
Well, CNN did some digging. According to Sanford police records -- and this is what we were talking about before. There were indeed eight robberies in that housing development in the 14 months prior to Trayvon's shooting. Four of them involved black male suspects. Another four had unidentified suspects.
Listen to this interesting detail, too. There's also a 911 call dated three weeks before Trayvon was killed. Police were called to an address that matches Frank Taaffe's address after the caller said they saw a black male at the home. When police got to the address, there was nobody there.
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It wasn't malicious or repeated. Hornsby has weighed in on this and says it was not a provocative act. I take his interpretation as accurate since he is an expert imo.
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This brings up another question then... Is self-defense applicable when an innocent person is being suspiciously followed?
The law allows a person to defend theselves if they have a reasonable fear that they are in danger...If being followed by someone that you don't know, both in a vehicle and then later on foot, after you have attempted to get away from them makes you fearful, then YES you do have that right.
BTW Trayvon did not simply believe that he was being followed and stalked by GZ, he WAS being followed by GZ and we have GZ's own words to prove it
IMO JMHO and stuff.
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Legal and wise are not always the same thing.
Lots of legal things can get you in trouble or hospital.
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If the person being followed escalates the situation by attacking the person then yes, imo.
Yes. And I don't necessarily fault TM for defending himself.
And then, I don't fault GZ for defending HIMself.
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Does the law allow someone to claim self defense (physically assault someone) if they believe they are being stalked.
If I see a guy following me around a corner and get scared, do I have the right to wait until he approaches and hit him?
repeatedly could also be following him in his vehicle and when Trayvon made an attempt to get away by running, then continuing to follow on foot, the law does not specify how long or how many times you must repeat the offense....IMO JMHO and stuff.
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But if a person is following you - not touching you or yelling at you - but just following you...what are you defending yourself from? Is it justifiable to make a preemptive strike because you think a person shouldn't be following you? TM was the one who challenged GZ by asking why he was following him.
Well, then there's the "malicious intent" component. GZ had no malicious intent, he was trying to keep an eye on Trayvon until LE could get there.
That's not malicious. If he were trailing Trayvon hoping to jump him and rob him, or beat him up for thrills, that's malicious.
Stalking while on the phone with dispatch?
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Craig Sonner has never defended a client accused in a homicide, but he now represents George Zimmerman, the man at the center of one of the nation's most racially divisive shootings in years.
And Sonner predicts he'll have no problem clearing Zimmerman.
"I believed his story of how he was defending himself," said 47-year-old Sonner, a one-man Altamonte Springs law firm. "I've already got a number of experts lined up to take this one … I don't think we're going to have a problem exonerating George Zimmerman."
Sonner had not paid much attention to the case and all the media reports about it until Zimmerman's father called, asking for help.
"Then George called me," Sonner said.
(snip)
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._defense-team-lawrence-o-donnell-wofl-channel
And Sonner predicts he'll have no problem clearing Zimmerman.
"I believed his story of how he was defending himself," said 47-year-old Sonner, a one-man Altamonte Springs law firm. "I've already got a number of experts lined up to take this one … I don't think we're going to have a problem exonerating George Zimmerman."
Sonner had not paid much attention to the case and all the media reports about it until Zimmerman's father called, asking for help.
"Then George called me," Sonner said.
(snip)
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._defense-team-lawrence-o-donnell-wofl-channel
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