17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[kimpage]

Didn't we hear Zimmerman's attorney come out the day after that interview and state that the Zimmerman brothers are estranged and it was like a year since the last time they had spoken? I'm pretty I didn't dream that.



~jmo~

I heard that too..But i do not know if it has been verified or not...... Would like the answer to that myself...IMHO

 

[uvamerica]

Has it been determined that the brother has actually seen GZ since the alleged nose break occurred, or is this what he was told?

The brother himself said on CNN that he had NOT seen GZ, and was going by what he heard from GZ
Also, the 2 friends who were defending George in the media had not seen George's wounds either.


:moo:

 

[rbrnmw2]

Thanks so much!! This article clears up the misconception that Zimmerman is living in seclusion because the Black Panthers put a bounty on his head because according to his "good buddy" Joe Oliver, he moved out of his apartment and went into seclusion the day after Trayvon's murder.



~jmo~

Yep it wasn't even heavily reported at that point IMO

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[m00c0w]

My sources do not conflict themselves and in fact if you will read the links that were posted, you would see that many states do not allow them to be presented in court period; however, there are several states that do. In the state of Florida, it plainly states if both sides agree they can be used. If one party objects, then it would not be allowed in. Looks like a pretty simple thing to understand if you ask me. Perhaps it would be beneficial if you did your own research on the admissibility of polygraphs in courts and then you can see for yourself exactly what it is you need to know.



~jmo~

First, yes, they are conflicting. Your second source states that they are not admissible in Florida courts. This is summarily untrue. Per State v. Thompkins, 891 So. 2d 1151, the court may allow polygraph evidence based on the outcome of a Frye hearing and if both parties agree to its use. This is reflected in at least one of your other sources, meaning that there is an overt contradiction.

Secondly, you are the one that claimed polygraph tests are not admissible in court, not me:

He did tell someone that during an interview so I'm guessing it must have been WOFL. However, I put very little faith in anything the Sanford police are saying that they done the night Trayvon was murdered. I, personally, find them to have 0 credibility at this point.

Additionally, like a polygraph, I would imagine that a voice-stress test wouldn't be admissible in court once charges are filed.


~jmo~

(Emphasis mine)

The onus was on you to prove this assertion, since you stated it. I am quite aware of polygraph law, thank you. I didn't know if you had some other source that contradicted my knowledge of the subject. Polygraph evidence is admissible in the State of Florida under certain circumstances. This is reflected in State v. Thompkins, and Davis v. State. Various federal courts have left it up to the states to decide, and the Supreme Court has not prohibited polygraph evidence from being submitted.

Should the case be tried federally, polygraph evidence would be admissible pending the trial judge's decision. Should the case be tried in Florida, polygraph evidence would be admissible under certain conditions. It's never just plain not allowed.

 

[Velouria]

My cable and internet have been out for 2 days it's driving my mad can you give me an abridged recap? Preez

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Well, here's a sample: Mr. Sonner says that his client has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and that we should all wait for the facts to come out, because there's not a single thing in the media that is admissible in court (??!!). Then he said that the only facts we know are that GZ was attacked by TM, and suffered a broken nose and had his head bashed. Piers called him on that and said "No, we do NOT know all that for a fact; that is your client's account". Sonner replied "That's what I'm saying, we don't know all the facts yet."

Confused? So is Mr. Sonner, apparently. :giggle:

 

[m00c0w]

I don't see the word 'never' in the original response...

It was in my original question, since she asserted that polygraph evidence was not admissible in court. "Never" doesn't have to be explicitly stated for it to apply.

 

[Allusonz]

Found this FWIW

In more Zimmerman news, Uhrig told WOFL that his client had passed a voice-stress analysis test when questioned by Sanford police.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...zimmerman-hires-casey-anthony-tv-analyst.html

Thank you greatly!!! I am very wary of the reporting and when it was brought up that the defense could of administered this I did have to wonder.

 

[csziggy]

Can't speak for Sanford PD but in general if the patient refuses medical that's good enough for PD. If they take him into custody and take him to the hospital, then the PD is responsible for the bill. That is why they usually call for evaluation before a person is arrested. In the eyes of PD, GZ had a medical evaluation and refused transport. That was documented on the EMS refusal form. If his condition changed, I'm sure PD would have called EMS back to the scene or to the lockup/station.

How long would an evaluation take? According to the various sources, EMTs declared Trayvon at about 7:30, only 13 minutes after the first police officer arrived on the scene.

GZ arrived at the police station at 7:52 and it's a roughly 15 minute trip from the scene to the station. That leaves about 7 minutes for the SFD EMTs to evaluate GZ, cancel the second ambulance, clean up his wounds, have him sign a release, and clear him for transport to the police station.

Does that sound reasonable?

 

[crocus]

I just saw the best case on the ID channel where a LTD was allowed in court. The cops thought they had their guy and gave him a LDT and told him he passed. He kept talking and they found more evidence and ended up charging him for the crime and went to court.

In court he told his lawyer he took a LDT and passed. The lawyer demanded the results be put into the record. LOL LOL the cops had lied to the guy, he failed it all. GUILTY!!:rocker::rocker:

Booyah! lol

 

[Reader]

I really would like to see any PROVE of this...... Anything documented proved by medical examination........

Blessings

Micci

Somebody said above that GZ went for medical treatment for his 'head injury' but the doctor said it had already healed....wonder why he didn't get his 'broken nose' fixed then?

IMO

 

[m00c0w]

Somebody said above that GZ went for medical treatment for his 'head injury' but the doctor said it had already healed....wonder why he didn't get his 'broken nose' fixed then?

IMO

I believe it was said that the doctor said he couldn't get stitches because too much time had elapsed. JMO

 

[suzihawk]

So what was Trayvon doing that made Zimmerman call LE?

Walkin about.

Wearing a hoodie.

 

[Adrienne37]

First, yes, they are conflicting. Your second source states that they are not admissible in Florida courts. This is summarily untrue. Per State v. Thompkins, 891 So. 2d 1151, the court may allow polygraph evidence based on the outcome of a Frye hearing and if both parties agree to its use. This is reflected in at least one of your other sources, meaning that there is an overt contradiction.

Secondly, you are the one that claimed polygraph tests are not admissible in court, not me:

(Emphasis mine)

The onus was on you to prove this assertion, since you stated it. I am quite aware of polygraph law, thank you. I didn't know if you had some other source that contradicted my knowledge of the subject. Polygraph evidence is admissible in the State of Florida under certain circumstances. This is reflected in State v. Thompkins, and Davis v. State. Various federal courts have left it up to the states to decide, and the Supreme Court has not prohibited polygraph evidence from being submitted.

Should the case be tried federally, polygraph evidence would be admissible pending the trial judge's decision. Should the case be tried in Florida, polygraph evidence would be admissible under certain conditions. It's never just plain not allowed.

My original post stated this.....

Additionally, like a polygraph, I would imagine that a voice-stress test wouldn't be admissible in court once charges are filed.


Thank you but I see no where in my original post that said a polygraph was NEVER admissible in court, secondly I prefaced my comment with "WOULD IMAGINE" which means that it was MY OPINION. WOULD NOT is a heck of a lot different than NEVER.



~jmo~

 

[highflyer]

I believe it was said that the doctor said he couldn't get stitches because too much time had elapsed. JMO

And the broken nose?

 

[m00c0w]

My original post stated this.....

Additionally, like a polygraph, I would imagine that a voice-stress test wouldn't be admissible in court once charges are filed.


Thank you but I see no where in my original post that said a polygraph was NEVER admissible in court, secondly I prefaced my comment with "WOULD IMAGINE" which means that it was MY OPINION. WOULD NOT is a heck of a lot different than NEVER.



~jmo~

I'm not going to debate syntax and the English language with you. This isn't the place for pedantry. You seemed to have reason to believe that polygraph evidence is not admissible in court. It is in Florida and in the federal system.

That's all there is to it, really.

JMO

 

[suzihawk]

I did not see it. At least he did not bolt again apparently.

No, but he sure looked like he wanted to.

 

[m00c0w]

And the broken nose?

Has it been said anywhere that he did not get it treated?

 

[Adrienne37]

And the broken nose?

Didn't we have a conversation about this last night and someone said that a doctor would tell you to wait several days before going and having your nose checked?


~jmo~

 

[TonyGatto]

How long would an evaluation take? According to the various sources, EMTs declared Trayvon at about 7:30, only 13 minutes after the first police officer arrived on the scene.

GZ arrived at the police station at 7:52 and it's a roughly 15 minute trip from the scene to the station. That leaves about 7 minutes for the SFD EMTs to evaluate GZ, cancel the second ambulance, clean up his wounds, have him sign a release, and clear him for transport to the police station.

Does that sound reasonable?

It's reasonable and the timeline is one thing we have that we know is fact. Given the police report stating bleeding from the head and nose, and the enhance video showing some sort of wound, I think we can safely say GZ suffered minor injuries. The very short amount of time in which EMT's cleared him, and the absence of bandages, bolsters the case. This is consistent with a struggle. GZ is able to argue that he was beaten, but not to within an inch of his life. And he doesn't need to. However, none of this in anyway supports (or contradicts), his claim that he was the victim of an unprovoked attack by TM.

 

[ecs5298]

How long would an evaluation take? According to the various sources, EMTs declared Trayvon at about 7:30, only 13 minutes after the first police officer arrived on the scene.

GZ arrived at the police station at 7:52 and it's a roughly 15 minute trip from the scene to the station. That leaves about 7 minutes for the SFD EMTs to evaluate GZ, cancel the second ambulance, clean up his wounds, have him sign a release, and clear him for transport to the police station.

Does that sound reasonable?

Don't know but it's not out of the question. How many EMS personnel were on scene. Did they actually work Trayvon or was he a DOS (dead on scene). Was there firefighters on scene that looked at GZ while the ambulance crew looked at TM? In itself, 7 minutes would be pushing it but it could be done.