17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[Deleted member 39678]

How long would an evaluation take? According to the various sources, EMTs declared Trayvon at about 7:30, only 13 minutes after the first police officer arrived on the scene.

GZ arrived at the police station at 7:52 and it's a roughly 15 minute trip from the scene to the station. That leaves about 7 minutes for the SFD EMTs to evaluate GZ, cancel the second ambulance, clean up his wounds, have him sign a release, and clear him for transport to the police station.

Does that sound reasonable?

Do we know what time the EMT's arrived and how many were there?

 

[crocus]

whew.


Time to take a step back and smell the Spring......

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Watch George be all bandaged up for his mugshot like a mummy. LOL LOL

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Don't know but it's not out of the question. How many EMS personnel were on scene. Did they actually work Trayvon or was he a DOS (dead on scene). Was there firefighters on scene that looked at GZ while the ambulance crew looked at TM? In itself, 7 minutes would be pushing it but it could be done.

Thank you for your insights. Given that this was a homicide and hopefully there was forensic testing--does that change any of your protocol?

 

[HiHater]

Has it been determined that the brother has actually seen GZ since the alleged nose break occurred, or is this what he was told?

Really not sure...sorry, will look for a link later!

 

[highflyer]

Didn't we have a conversation about this last night and someone said that a doctor would tell you to wait several days before going and having your nose checked?


~jmo~

You'd think that had Zimmerman gone for medical attention on a head injury he would have had a possible broken nose examined too.

 

[vlpate]

Now the word sounds like "cold" to the same "expert" that said he was sure it sounded like .... well, not "cold" (Wolf Blitzer). I'm cracking up - now I have no doubt the FBI has completed their test and CNN/ABC has been tipped off - they're backing off and blaming "wind noise" for the difference. JMO

This is what Taffe said he heard as well.

 

[m00c0w]

Don't know but it's not out of the question. How many EMS personnel were on scene. Did they actually work Trayvon or was he a DOS (dead on scene). Was there firefighters on scene that looked at GZ while the ambulance crew looked at TM? In itself, 7 minutes would be pushing it but it could be done.

Responding officers started chest compressions and rescue breathing. When medics arrived, they apparently attempted resuscitation themselves and then made the pronunciation at 1930. I don't believe there's not much of a timeline other than that.

 

[TonyGatto]

Has it been said anywhere that he did not get it treated?

No. He may have gotten it treated during the visit to the hospital his representatives say occurred the next day. We don't know that the visit to the hospital actually occurred, and if it did occur we don't know whether the diagnosis was a broken nose.

 

[csziggy]

Don't know but it's not out of the question. How many EMS personnel were on scene. Did they actually work Trayvon or was he a DOS (dead on scene). Was there firefighters on scene that looked at GZ while the ambulance crew looked at TM? In itself, 7 minutes would be pushing it but it could be done.

From the police reports, between one and three police officers gave Travyon CPR. We do not have the SFD EMT reports and don't know exactly when they arrived. Only one ambulance was on the scene, a second one was canceled. We don't at this point know what other personnel were on the scene - other SFD, police officers, etc.

Trayvon from all we know was dead at scene.

GZ was treated while sitting in the back of a police car, not in the ambulance.

 

[uvamerica]

Has it been said anywhere that he did not get it treated?

There is no documentation to support GZ had a broken nose that I've seen. we only have what GZ and his supporters have claimed.

:moo:

 

[rotterdam]

Pierce Morgan and his "British" sensibilities seems to find this ALL very disturbing (Zimmerman not being arrested)
Funny I wrote that before he even mentioned they wouldn't do things this way in Britain!!
Ha!

And you can add the rest of the civilized world to that.
It is just incredible to me that a private person can follow/harass and shoot/kill an unarmed minor for no apparent reason except on some unfounded suspicion bordering paranoia and not be arrested for that.
And that a private person in FL is allowed to carry a CONCEALED weapon when there is nothing in their background/employment to justify that.
It is so absurd to me that folks are even trying to justify the killing of Trayvon by GZ. To me , it is such a violation of human rights/sanctity of life and a situation that I would have expected in the 19th century or in a country like Somalia.
I do so hope that it will become a civil rights issue, which I suspect will also involve the Sanford officials. It is the only way, we will see some justice since FL has written humane justice out of their laws.
JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Now the word sounds like "cold" to the same "expert" that said he was sure it sounded like .... well, not "cold" (Wolf Blitzer). I'm cracking up - now I have no doubt the FBI has completed their test and CNN/ABC has been tipped off - they're backing off and blaming "wind noise" for the difference. JMO

This is what Taffe said he heard as well.

Where is this coming from? Something your watching on TV?

 

[HiHater]

First, yes, they are conflicting. Your second source states that they are not admissible in Florida courts. This is summarily untrue. Per State v. Thompkins, 891 So. 2d 1151, the court may allow polygraph evidence based on the outcome of a Frye hearing and if both parties agree to its use. This is reflected in at least one of your other sources, meaning that there is an overt contradiction.

Secondly, you are the one that claimed polygraph tests are not admissible in court, not me:

(Emphasis mine)

The onus was on you to prove this assertion, since you stated it. I am quite aware of polygraph law, thank you. I didn't know if you had some other source that contradicted my knowledge of the subject. Polygraph evidence is admissible in the State of Florida under certain circumstances. This is reflected in State v. Thompkins, and Davis v. State. Various federal courts have left it up to the states to decide, and the Supreme Court has not prohibited polygraph evidence from being submitted.

Should the case be tried federally, polygraph evidence would be admissible pending the trial judge's decision. Should the case be tried in Florida, polygraph evidence would be admissible under certain conditions. It's never just plain not allowed.

The poster never used the word never. She specifically said "I would imagine"...So there is nothing to prove, and if you had knowledge of the subject, then it would just be easier to enlighten us all instead of arguing about semantics. :twocents::moo:

 

[legalmania]

I believe it was said that the doctor said he couldn't get stitches because too much time had elapsed. JMO

I've waited up to 8 hrs in the emergency room to get stitches. According to the police report LE and the EMTs got there pretty quickly. I read Zimmerman was treated with a first aid kit in the back of the police car. If it was that bad the police would have either taken him to the hospital or the EMTs would have taken him right?

 

[kimpage]

Watching AC360 one of the lawyers said a Voice Stress test is not admissable and not really reliable...Also said his lawyer opened a can of worms heshouldnt have by claiming GZ took the test...They also said the FBI would not be involved if there was no racial slur...No link it was just on so wil say IMHO JMHO and all that :moo: :moo: :moo:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Now the word sounds like "cold" to the same "expert" that said he was sure it sounded like .... well, not "cold" (Wolf Blitzer). I'm cracking up - now I have no doubt the FBI has completed their test and CNN/ABC has been tipped off - they're backing off and blaming "wind noise" for the difference. JMO

This is what Taffe said he heard as well.

LOL LOL yeah it was really cold, 60 degrees and he had that big old coat on.

 

[TonyGatto]

I'm not going to debate syntax and the English language with you. This isn't the place for pedantry. You seemed to have reason to believe that polygraph evidence is not admissible in court. It is in Florida and in the federal system.

That's all there is to it, really.

JMO

While you are right when you say it is admissible in Florida, that statement leaves the impression that a prosecutor or a defense attorney can enter it into evidence if they so choose. You are leaving out the part that it must be by stipulation -- an agreement by the two parties -- and be approved by the judge.

 

[suzihawk]

Has it been said anywhere that he did not get it treated?

His brother said it was still broken on Piers Morgan. But the way he attempted to twist a few other details, he could have been referring to a broken nose he got when he was a child or something.

MOO

 

[HiHater]

Watching AC360 one of the lawyers said a Voice Stress test is not admissable and not really reliable...Also said his lawyer opened a can of worms heshouldnt have by claiming GZ took the test...They also said the FBI would not be involved if there was no racial slur...No link it was just on so wil say IMHO JMHO and all that :moo: :moo: :moo:

IMO, the fact that the FBI has boots on the ground means that there is something there. They are not just "overseeing" an investigation, they are conducting their own.