17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[m00c0w]

The poster never used the word never. She specifically said "I would imagine"...So there is nothing to prove, and if you had knowledge of the subject, then it would just be easier to enlighten us all instead of arguing about semantics. :twocents::moo:

And I did not know if there was reason she said that, so I asked for a citation. When I got a wall of text back with conflicting statements, I felt it should be addressed. A simple "That's just how I understood it to be" would have sufficed, and would have prompted me to make a more universal statement as you suggested. I'm also not the one arguing about semantics.

 

[highflyer]

Now the word sounds like "cold" to the same "expert" that said he was sure it sounded like .... well, not "cold" (Wolf Blitzer). I'm cracking up - now I have no doubt the FBI has completed their test and CNN/ABC has been tipped off - they're backing off and blaming "wind noise" for the difference. JMO

This is what Taffe said he heard as well.

Link please?

 

[m00c0w]

While you are right when you say it is admissible in Florida, that statement leaves the impression that a prosecutor or a defense attorney can enter it into evidence if they so choose. You are leaving out the part that it must be by stipulation -- an agreement by the two parties -- and be approved by the judge.

Which I stated in my prior post, but thank you for making that addendum in case anyone got confused.

 

[HiHater]

And I did not know if there was reason she said that, so I asked for a citation. When I got a wall of text back with conflicting statements, I felt it should be addressed. A simple "That's just how I understood it to be" would have sufficed, and would have prompted me to make a more universal statement as you suggested. I'm also not the one arguing about semantics.

Understood.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

There is no documentation to support GZ had a broken nose that I've seen. we only have what GZ and his supporters have claimed.

:moo:

And how many who have spoken about his condition have not even SEEN him? It is these little pieces that really makes me question the whole of what we've been told. MOO :moo:

 

[krkrjx]

And you can add the rest of the civilized world to that.
It is just incredible to me that a private person can follow/harass and shoot/kill an unarmed minor for no apparent reason except on some unfounded suspicion bordering paranoia and not be arrested for that.
And that a private person in FL is allowed to carry a CONCEALED weapon when there is nothing in their background/employment to justify that.
It is so absurd to me that folks are even trying to justify the killing of Trayvon by GZ. To me , it is such a violation of human rights/sanctity of life and a situation that I would have expected in the 19th century or in a country like Somalia.
I do so hope that it will become a civil rights issue, which I suspect will also involve the Sanford officials. It is the only way, we will see some justice since FL has written humane justice out of their laws.
JMO.

My sentiments exactly!

 

[rotterdam]

My original post stated this.....

Additionally, like a polygraph, I would imagine that a voice-stress test wouldn't be admissible in court once charges are filed.


Thank you but I see no where in my original post that said a polygraph was NEVER admissible in court, secondly I prefaced my comment with "WOULD IMAGINE" which means that it was MY OPINION. WOULD NOT is a heck of a lot different than NEVER.



~jmo~

I thought I heard Piers say that according to his expert, a VST is just as reliable as flipping a coin.

 

[kimpage]

IMO, the fact that the FBI has boots on the ground means that there is something there. They are not just "overseeing" an investigation, they are conducting their own.

I agree!!! And it is telling that the voice stress test in nor reliable at all!!!!!!!!!!! His camp needs to zip it. IMHO JMHO and all that..

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Watching AC360 one of the lawyers said a Voice Stress test is not admissable and not really reliable...Also said his lawyer opened a can of worms heshouldnt have by claiming GZ took the test...They also said the FBI would not be involved if there was no racial slur...No link it was just on so wil say IMHO JMHO and all that :moo: :moo: :moo:

BBM
Did he say what kind of worms (problems) would be opened by claiming that GZ took this voice stress test?

 

[kimpage]

Link please?

He never said cold.....Just mentioned Taaffe said it!!! And when they played it I Heard *oon...IMHO

 

[ecs5298]

Thank you for your insights. Given that this was a homicide and hopefully there was forensic testing--does that change any of your protocol?

Medically....no. However, we try and preserve as much of the crime scene as possible. The real question is how dead was TM and what are the local protocols re: traumatic cardiac arrest. In our system we don't have to work blunt trauma cardiac arrests. We still have to work penetrating trauma such as GSW's or stab wounds unless there are obvious signs of death such as rigor/livor mortis, decapitation, out pouring of cranial contents, etc. The PD starting CPR doesn't really mean much. They have no way of assessing his heart rhythm or the extent of his injuries. If EMS got there and he was pulseless and apniec (not breathing) and showed asystole (flat line) on the cardiac monitor, they may not have had to work him. To assess GZ and sign him off may have taken a couple of minutes, especially if the cops helped him clean up to get a better look at his wounds. With the limited amount of info we have at this time, that's the best I can do without pure speculation.

 

[CHICANA]

Has it been said anywhere that he did not get it treated?

The hospital didn't do anything for my husbands broken nose. If you look closely you can tell it's crooked.

 

[uvamerica]

"It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. "From that point, our nightmare," Martin said."


"a tear on his cheek"

this breaks my heart, Trayvon must have been so frightened, confused and in pain. :maddening:

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/t...r=news.yahoo.com&_intl=us&_lang=en-us&_al=off

 

[kimpage]

BBM
Did he say what kind of worms (problems) would be opened by claiming that GZ took this voice stress test?

No i wish he did.... Makes me curious about it..IMHO JMHO and all that

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

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Medically....no. However, we try and preserve as much of the crime scene as possible. The real question is how dead was TM and what are the local protocols re: traumatic cardiac arrest. In our system we don't have to work blunt trauma cardiac arrests. We still have to work penetrating trauma such as GSW's or stab wounds unless there are obvious signs of death such as rigor/livor mortis, decapitation, out pouring of cranial contents, etc. The PD starting CPR doesn't really mean much. They have no way of assessing his heart rhythm or the extent of his injuries. If EMS got there and he was pulseless and apniec (not breathing) and showed asystole (flat line) on the cardiac monitor, they may not have had to work him. To assess GZ and sign him off may have taken a couple of minutes, especially if the cops helped him clean up to get a better look at his wounds. With the limited amount of info we have at this time, that's the best I can do without pure speculation.

Great info and really appreciated. I can imagine working quickly in a triage situation but was a really quick turnaround getting GZ from site to police station. I would have thought it would take longer so your posts are helpful.

 

[kimpage]

"It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. "From that point, our nightmare," Martin said."


"a tear on his cheek"

this breaks my heart, Trayvon must have been so frightened, confused and in pain. :maddening:

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/t...r=news.yahoo.com&_intl=us&_lang=en-us&_al=off

Oh now that really makes me sad and so darn angry what a horrible thing for a dad to find out that way..I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!! IMHO JMHO and all that

 

[rotterdam]

Watching AC360 one of the lawyers said a Voice Stress test is not admissable and not really reliable...Also said his lawyer opened a can of worms heshouldnt have by claiming GZ took the test...They also said the FBI would not be involved if there was no racial slur...No link it was just on so wil say IMHO JMHO and all that :moo: :moo: :moo:

I disagree with that lawyer. The civil rights Act is very encompassing and has much more than just racial slurs/hate crimes. The Feds can find many other reasons to step in, including biased investigation by L.E. and by other Sanford officials.
All IMO.

 

[TonyGatto]

Three very different narratives about what happened that night have been told by GZ surrogates as detailed in the story linked below. Of course, in the end, they won't matter much. What WILL matter is whether GZ is telling one solid story to investigators or are they picking-up inconsistencies.

Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman's evolving narrative

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/george-zimmermans-evolving-story.php

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No i wish he did.... Makes me curious about it..IMHO JMHO and all that

Your kidding me. So they said it was inadmissible and would open a can of worms and nothing else? Well that's pretty lame.

 

[Cher352]

There is no documentation to support GZ had a broken nose that I've seen. we only have what GZ and his supporters have claimed.

:moo:

I did watch a live press conference on one Orlando's local station WFTV shortly after this happened. In that press conf the PD did say that they have the hospital report from where GZ visits the day after the shooting. I doubt that his family would being saying that his nose was broke if it wasn't backed up on that report.