17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #19

[grammieto5]

The only person responsible for the death of Trayvon is GZ. Why go after anyone else??? Especially all the other people living there. That makes no sense to me. Could GZ then go after the company who put down the grass because he has grass stains on his jacket?

 

[annalia]

The SYG law has victims of all colors. The loopholes in this law affect everyone, not only AAs. Just look at the Trevor Dooley case. He shot a man in front of his 8-year old daughter. This is not just an AA issue. IMO, it is an everyone issue.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

But, iirc, Dooley was arrested within two days of the shooting.

JMHO

 

[csziggy]

Think the gun manufacturer could also be liable, if GZ claims it malfunctioned? There is quite a bit of info on the gun on the internet and it's not real good.

Not under Florida law:

790.331 Prohibition of civil actions against firearms or ammunition manufacturers, firearms trade associations, firearms or ammunition distributors, or firearms or ammunition dealers.—
(1) The Legislature finds and declares that the manufacture, distribution, or sale of firearms and ammunition by manufacturers, distributors, or dealers duly licensed by the appropriate federal and state authorities is a lawful activity and is not unreasonably dangerous, and further finds that the unlawful use of firearms and ammunition, rather than their lawful manufacture, distribution, or sale, is the proximate cause of injuries arising from their unlawful use.
(2) Except as permitted by this section, a legal action against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer, firearms trade association, firearms or ammunition distributor, or firearms or ammunition dealer on behalf of the state or its agencies and instrumentalities, or on behalf of a county, municipality, special district, or any other political subdivision or agency of the state, for damages, abatement, or injunctive relief resulting from or arising out of the lawful design, marketing, distribution, or sale of firearms or ammunition to the public is prohibited. However, this subsection does not preclude a natural person from bringing an action against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer, firearms trade association, firearms or ammunition distributor, or firearms or ammunition dealer for breach of a written contract, breach of an express warranty, or injuries resulting from a defect in the materials or workmanship in the manufacture of a firearm or ammunition.
(3) A county, municipality, special district, or other political subdivision or agency of the state may not sue for or recover from a firearms or ammunition manufacturer, firearms trade association, firearms or ammunition distributor, or firearms or ammunition dealer damages, abatement, or injunctive relief in any case that arises out of or results from the lawful design, marketing, distribution, or sale of firearms or ammunition to the public.
(4) This section does not prohibit an action against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer, distributor, or dealer for:
(a) Breach of contract or warranty in connection with a firearm or ammunition purchased by a county, municipality, special district, or other political subdivision or agency of the state.
(b) Injuries resulting from the malfunction of a firearm or ammunition due to a defect in design or manufacture.
(5)(a) For the purposes of this section, the potential of a firearm or ammunition to cause serious injury, damage, or death as a result of normal function does not constitute a defective condition of the product.
(b) A firearm or ammunition may not be deemed defective on the basis of its potential to cause serious injury, damage, or death when discharged legally or illegally.
(6)(a) If a civil action is brought in violation of this section, the defendant may recover all expenses resulting from such action from the governmental entity bringing such action.
(b) In any civil action where the court finds that the defendant is immune as provided in this section, the court shall award the defendant all attorney’s fees, costs and compensation for loss of income, and expenses incurred as a result of such action.
(7) This section applies to any action brought on or after the effective date of this section.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2001-38.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.331.html

 

[vlpate]

OK, I need to know, what is a grill? I'm guessing it's something that goes in ones mouth, like a tongue ring maybe ????

Here you go....

 

[Etilema]

Here you go....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fijggq5R6w"]Nelly - Grillz ft. Paul Wall, Ali & Gipp - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Gin]

I agree. I don't think the Martins really want a trial of any kind - they just want an arrest. I may be mistaken, but I think the arrest would be all they need to sue the HOA and obtain a settlement before there's a trial. Even Crump said this morning, they just want an arrest, they aren't asking for a conviction. I am going to ask an attorney this question...unless there's one here that can answer...or a paralegal? Beach?

eta: or Karmady, you seem pretty familiar with the law..

I believe the Martins want justice for their son. They have never stated they don't want a trial. The only reason they have said they want an arrest is that that is the first step toward justice. I can't imagine them asking for a conviction--who are they going to ask? I think they are putting their faith in the judicial PROCESS. It may be slow, but they want the process to work. All they are asking for is justice for their murdered teen.
I think they have shown great courage and strength.

 

[Chris_Texas]

The SYG law has victims of all colors. The loopholes in this law affect everyone, not only AAs. Just look at the Trevor Dooley case. He shot a man in front of his 8-year old daughter. This is not just an AA issue. IMO, it is an everyone issue.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

There is more than one issue here. One is a potentially psychotic and certainly over-zealous guy gunning down an innocent and unarmed kid.

The second, and equally serious, is a police department with a history of civil rights violations appearing as though they are at it again.

 

[vlpate]

The only person responsible for the death of Trayvon is GZ. Why go after anyone else??? Especially all the other people living there. That makes no sense to me. Could GZ then go after the company who put down the grass because he has grass stains on his jacket?

You'd be amazed at what people will sue management companies for. Back in '86 (IIRC), a woman passed out from drugs and drinking left her door open. Her 2 year old wandered out, slid through the pool slats and drowned in the pool. When all was said and done, she won over a million. This was a suit that changed the regulations on the distance between the iron slats on pool fences and automatic gate closures. The woman took absolutely no responsibility, and yet, had the child only been hurt playing outside, CPS would have started a file on the mother. IMO, the baby died for regulations that probably saved many other children from drowning while their mothers are drunk and cracked out. Sorry for OT

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Hopefully, discussing
this case will result in clearing up some misunderstandings amongst races. I didn't know all the Rebel flag meant was the person thinks they are tough!!

Most Black people view the Rebel flag as a symbol equal to a swastika or a Ku Klux Klan hood. They tell us this person does not like Black people.

If I am wrong, please enlighten me so I can stop taking offense when I see any of those things.

Allow me to clarify for you, that sagging pants and grills are not intended to scare people of any race. They do not symbolize that the wearer is a tough guy, has a criminal record, hates White people or that they intend to do you harm when they see you. Now, there are some people who think they are tough guys that wear this fashion, but the same can be said for people sporting boots and cowboy hats.

They are simply...the style that a lot of the hip hop community wears these days. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have to disagree about the sagging and the grills and all of that. The hip hop culture is based in violence and mistreatment of women, though it didn't start out that way. Associating ones' self with that lifestyle has certain consequences in the real world and how one is perceived.

 

[Donjeta]

Did I miss something? I didn't see that anybody was going after the HOA yet, the articles I read were just speculating what would happen if someone did sue them.

 

[Karmady]

I agree. I don't think the Martins really want a trial of any kind - they just want an arrest. I may be mistaken, but I think the arrest would be all they need to sue the HOA and obtain a settlement before there's a trial. Even Crump said this morning, they just want an arrest, they aren't asking for a conviction. I am going to ask an attorney this question...unless there's one here that can answer...or a paralegal? Beach?

eta: or Karmady, you seem pretty familiar with the law..

Imo, they don't need even an arrest to sue the HOA. By the same token, unless there is some type of vicarious liability imputed to the HOA for GZ's actions (he was acting as its agent at the time of the incident) or the HOA was independently negligent in some way, even an arrest and conviction won't matter for purposes of the HOA's liability. In short, it is fairly certain, imo, that the HOA will be sued unless the family determines that it does not wish to do so for its own reasons. It is not certain at all what the outcome of that lawsuit would be, with or without an arrest or conviction. And, honestly, it's impossible to predict what the outcome would be based on the extremely lmited facts known so far. Nonetheless, I think that if there is a suit, and if there is insurance, the claimants will take the insurance money and call it a day. And by all means, ask the attorneys here. I'm interested in what they have to say, but don't know who they are yet!

 

[Chris_Texas]

I agree. I don't think the Martins really want a trial of any kind - they just want an arrest. I may be mistaken, but I think the arrest would be all they need to sue the HOA and obtain a settlement before there's a trial. Even Crump said this morning, they just want an arrest, they aren't asking for a conviction. I am going to ask an attorney this question...unless there's one here that can answer...or a paralegal? Beach?

eta: or Karmady, you seem pretty familiar with the law..

:what:

SELF EDIT: not even gonna go there. Unreal.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

No one has gone after the HOA.

All those who support Trayvon simply want justice. They want the truth rather than lies, information instead of obfuscation, equal justice instead of no justice at all.

I am proud to say that I support them in their quest.

I think they want justice as they define it. There's no way they will be satisfied if GZ is tried and not convicted imo. That's why I'm thinking it's more oriented toward a vengeful attitude. Jmo

 

[octobermoon]

Here you go....

Still just looks like fancy braces to me. (this coming from a woman wearing a t-shirt the neighbor gave me (she out grew it ) that says "lettuce pray"

 

[jaded cat]

So this is how I understand your post jadedcat??? :waitasec:
Let’s look at Zimmerman’s background Lets NOT look at Trayvons background.
Fair Character analysis means nothing. so let’s just tilt the case to one side.
Because looking into GZ seems OK but looking into TM means nothing as you said.
Hhhhmmmm?

That's correct. TM is dead. For me, IMOO, GZ had a gun. TM had a package of Skittles and a can of iced tea. Not an even match under any description possible.

I don't care about GZ's social network postings. I do care that he might have anger issues based on incidents in his life, some of them recent. I believe he exhibited faulty judgement that night by pursuing TM. He could have waited in his truck for the police to arrive.

Even if TM confronted GZ, he had a right to do that. I'd want to know why someone was following me. We have only GZ's word that TM attacked him.

Isn't it interesting that all this info is coming out about TM that is totally irrelevant to the case? So what if he was suspended for skipping school? He had a screwdriver, which could be used as a burglary tool? Damn, my husband and I must be big time burglars based on the amount of screwdrivers we have in our tool chest! All this talk of the jewelry but not one person can say where it came from? Well, one person could but he's DEAD so he can't say anything.

If someone claims to be a representative of a neighborhood watch, I expect them to act in a more responsible manner. I expect a 28 yo man to be more responsible than a 17 yo young man. I expect someone who has a CCW permit to be held to a higher standard. Silly, foolish me.

GZ saw TM from the moment he entered the complex. TM did nothing suspicious, no casing of homes, no smoking pot, not skipping anything. GZ was watching TM because TM was a young, black male. That's all, nothing suspicious about being there other than GZ didn't like the way he looked.

So no, TM's social network postings and his school issues are totally irrelevant to this case. As are GZ's, if we had seen any.

 

[octobermoon]

I think they want justice as they define it. There's no way they will be satisfied if GZ is tried and not convicted imo. That's why I'm thinking it's more oriented toward a vengeful attitude. Jmo

And that is what was said about those of us who wanted Justice for Caylee. IMO

 

[Karmady]

Absolutely

but the proceeds of the insurance would still be available subject to the bankruptcy court's orders.jmo

 

[Isabelle]

I think they want justice as they define it. There's no way they will be satisfied if GZ is tried and not convicted imo. That's why I'm thinking it's more oriented toward a vengeful attitude. Jmo

To know one is to be one.

 

[vlpate]

I believe the Martins want justice for their son. They have never stated they don't want a trial. The only reason they have said they want an arrest is that that is the first step toward justice. I can't imagine them asking for a conviction--who are they going to ask? I think they are putting their faith in the judicial PROCESS. It may be slow, but they want the process to work. All they are asking for is justice for their murdered teen.
I think they have shown great courage and strength.

BEM: I am only relaying what Crump said. It seems about everything I write is taken as an aspersion on this family - I assure you, I am not casting aspersions. The trial I referred to that they would not want would be the civil trial.

Also, IMO, to obtain a criminal conviction would involve dragging their son, and everything they tried to keep out of the press, through the ringer -- who would want that at this point? If Zimmerman is arrested, wouldn't he be able to take a plea deal? Again, I am not an attorney by any means, just curious as to how the family would feel justice was done without a long, drawn out trial process? I think, if charges are filed, his taking a deal would suffice.

All JMO

 

[deelytful1]

There is more than one issue here. One is a potentially psychotic and certainly over-zealous guy gunning down an innocent and unarmed kid.

The second, and equally serious, is a police department with a history of civil rights violations appearing as though they are at it again.

The third is a law that allows someone to get away with murder WITHOUT having a proper investigation, or an arrest or a trial before their peers which in MY opinion is the scariest part of this whole thing...