17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[cityslick]

GZ made statements to the prosecutor that he wants to handle the case himself...according to Craig Sonner at the Today Show video link...

Wow.

It seems like the attorneys are pretty desperate to keep him as a client. I wonder why, if not for self-serving reasons...

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

 

[LambChop]

I agree, first I think that GZ did not want his Father to be the one in charge of the money, since the Attorneys made it pretty clear that when they set up the website that Mr. Z senior was the person who had to bank account that the paypal would funnel into, not them. GZ set up one that he would be able to get the money himself. I also do think that they are setting up to be sure that if this does go to an arrest they can make an argument that GZ was too injured, concussion or too mentally impaired and confused due to having his head hit hard to give a reliable statemtent on the night of the incident, and suffering from PTSD in any subsequent statements, in the event that the two don't match.

I still say there is something wrong with the location of the supposed gashes, contusions or whatever on the video we have seen. How do you get damage there if someone is hitting your head against the ground or floor?

The only way you get damage there is if they are holding you by your feet IMO JMHO and stuff.

Plus Mr. Taaffe claims that GZ slid out from underneath TM (not sure how TM's hands managed to stay under him one hand in the other). But Tracy Martin said the body was found in the grass with TM's feet facing the payment so how could TM be slamming GZ's head into the cement when he was no where near the cement?????

There also seems to be a question as to whether or not LE collected GZ's jacket. I had to laugh because Mr. Taaffe said GZ's jacket was zipped up and blood from GZ's nose was on the jacket we just can't see it BUT both police officers were searching his jacket, pants without gloves????? If there had been the slightest hint of blood they would have had gloves on.

When it's the truth there is no need to remember little details like this one. Mr. Taaffe needs to "Zip it Rosebud." jmo

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Respectfully edited. GZ knows that this is a high-profile case that will garner tremendous media coverage. He has very likely been contacted by or has contacted several media-savvy lawyers and is weighing his options. Mark NeJames little "earphone fell out" ploy when he was asked if GZ had contacted him was laughable as I feel certain that he has already considered getting involved in the case. And, of course, it was no big surprise that Mark Garagos and Jose Baez were also front and center last night on CNN. Methinks the ex-lawyers are pizzed that they aren't getting the nod. :moo:

LOL, did you hear Ulrich's dig at their colleagues' criticism in this interview?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47014313#47014313

They're not on his list.:floorlaugh:

wm

 

[suzihawk]

"Oh, my God. This is just a train wreck of proportions I don't even know where to begin," said Mark Geragos, a prominent defense attorney "Who are you to be diagnosing your client's mental state when you haven't talked to him? This is inexplicable. ... I don't like to second-guess other lawyers in the eye of the storm. But this is frankly one of the most outrageous things I've witnessed."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

I really love the footage from this video of these so called attorneys strutting all Hollywood like as if they're walking the red carpet or something. :floorlaugh: Such arrogance.

 

[Velouria]

This entire deal with yesterday's press conference is mentally insulting.

Haven't talked to your poor, downtrodden, unjustly accused client in a day and a half........so you drop him?

There's something else at play here. You can count on it.

I'm with you 200% on this one, Papa...

That so-called press conference was a monumental embarrassment. If anyone should be in hiding it's those two "attorneys" - hiding out of shame, that is. Blustering on for 45 minutes about a client you claim to no longer represent? Opining on said ex-clients mental state? Going on and on about his reputation and his account of that night, and you've never even met the guy? Mocking and accusing others of race-baiting while you proceed to paint the victim as a violent, wanna-be ? And that's just for starters.

IMO, GZ isn't the only one who's "gone rogue" here. I don't know what those two were up to, but they should hire themselves a couple of good attorneys and let them do the talking from now on.

 

[LambChop]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

I would think it came from the attorneys. SA had to call them and notify them that GZ had gotten in touch with her and that she advised him she could not talk to him without representation. The attorneys have claimed on TV to represent him and he said himself to her they were his "Legal Advisors" so she was within her rights to contact them. jmo

 

[rbrnmw2]

Didn't someone on this thread post that same thing?

Is JB still reading here? :floorlaugh:

I think a lot of talking heads read here. I have heard many of the posts I read earlier repeated by TH.
JB needs to climb back in the clown car he's so irritating MOO

 

[JeannaT]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

I think the attorneys said that yesterday in the PC, didn't they? That he characterized the two lawyers as his "legal advisors" rather than his lawyers, which they didn't understand, and that he wanted to speak to the prosecutor in person without representation?

 

[Adrienne37]

Plus Mr. Taaffe claims that GZ slid out from underneath TM (not sure how TM's hands managed to stay under him one hand in the other). But Tracy Martin said the body was found in the grass with TM's feet facing the payment so how could TM be slamming GZ's head into the cement when he was no where near the cement?????

There also seems to be a question as to whether or not LE collected GZ's jacket. I had to laugh because Mr. Taaffe said GZ's jacket was zipped up and blood from GZ's nose was on the jacket we just can't see it BUT both police officers were searching his jacket, pants without gloves????? If there had been the slightest hint of blood they would have had gloves on.

When it's the truth there is no need to remember little details like this one. Mr. Taaffe needs to "Zip it Rosebud." jmo

Mr. T went into great detail to explain how Zimmerman shot Trayvon and how Trayvon fell without getting blood all over him. I was ready to barf while I was watching it. I really wish Mr. T would go on Lawrence O'Donnell's program and spew the garbage he was spewing.



~jmo~

 

[LambChop]

I'm with you 200% on this one, Papa...

That so-called press conference was a monumental embarrassment. If anyone should be in hiding it's those two "attorneys" - hiding out of shame, that is. Blustering on for 45 minutes about a client you claim to no longer represent? Opining on said ex-clients mental state? Going on and on about his reputation and his account of that night, and you've never even met the guy? Mocking and accusing others of race-baiting while you proceed to paint the victim as a violent, wanna-be ? And that's just for starters.

IMO, GZ isn't the only one who's "gone rogue" here. I don't know what those two were up to, but they should hire themselves a couple of good attorneys and let them do the talking from now on.

They're visualizing what their press conference would sound like in the next made for TV movie. lol

 

[mysteriew]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

What are the chances?

This isn't going to be popular but bear me out.

GZ contacts the special prosecutor and she refuses to talk to him without his reps. So he denys the reps. She talks to him. Then the special prosecutor announces she will make an announcement in 72 hours.

Has he made a confession to the prosecutor, asked for 72 hours to 'get his affairs in order'?

Since he denied the his attorneys, and since they don't know what is going on they are stepping back, but they probably have real concern about the mental status of GZ. Esp if he has confessed. They are hoping someone will step forward to give up his whereabouts.

 

[Karmady]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

I imagine it went something like this...

GZ called the special prosecutor's office and got reception or her assistant. I think it's very unlikely that he got through on her direct line unless he misrepresented who he was. He would then and immediately have been advised that no one in the prosecutor's office could speak to him unless he was represented. He responded that he was representing himself. Whoever he was talking to inquired about the status of Uhrig and Sonner and were told by GZ that they were not representing him, but were merely consulting. The call was terminated by the prosecutor's office and GZ's "counsel" was contacted directly and asked to verify the representation or lack thereof. It would be SOP for adverse counsel to advise GZ's counsel that their "client" had contacted them directly.

Upon being contacted with this information by the prosecutor's office, Sonner and Uhrig went on national television to make it publicly crystal clear that they are not holding themselves out as GZ's counsel without his consent, etc. which would subject them to disciplinary action and could cause other repercussions wrt GZ's defense.

I believe the decision to do this so publicly is related to the extremely high profile of the case and so they can say they did everything in their power to convey their position regarding the representation to their client. Since he wasn't returning calls or answering e-mail, but is almost certainly watching national television and following other media coverage, they can tell the court or the bar that they felt this was the most effective way to communicate with him under the circumstances. IOW, they did everything they could to ensure he got their message. I'm sure they also sent him e-mails and texts and left vm's, but they decided to take the belt and suspenders approach due to all that could potentially be at stake.

jmo.

 

[annalia]

Mr. T went into great detail to explain how Zimmerman shot Trayvon and how Trayvon fell without getting blood all over him. I was ready to barf while I was watching it. I really wish Mr. T would go on Lawrence O'Donnell's program and spew the garbage he was spewing.



~jmo~

Yep, it was pathetic, made no sense, and once again he tried to come across as being real knowledgable about that as if it was first hand inside knowledge, and then NG asks if GZ told him that and he says no it was just what he gathered from the police report. Then NG says something about finding out that he gets his info from the Orlando Sentinel. :floorlaugh:

I don't see him ever going on O'Donnell.

JMHO

 

[Velouria]

Mr. T went into great detail to explain how Zimmerman shot Trayvon and how Trayvon fell without getting blood all over him. I was ready to barf while I was watching it. I really wish Mr. T would go on Lawrence O'Donnell's program and spew the garbage he was spewing.



~jmo~

Oh my. Did FT get that nugget from the police report, too?

I have to admit, I enjoyed seeing NG :whip: him last night. And the funny thing is, he keeps coming back. We'll probably hear him ask about her twins tomorrow, that is if Mr. Zimmerman's ex-attorneys don't elbow him out of the camera's view.

Why isn't anyone who claims to represent GZ coming forward with some facts we can use, like the medical evidence?

 

[Rob774]

What you say???

Zimmerman not listening to advise from people who know better than him...

Surely this can't be!!!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I don't have a link for this so consider it RUMOR.

There is an interview out there somewhere where one of the attys states that he is not GZ's atty but his legal advisor because no charges have been filed and he can't represent him until/unless charges are filed. It was a TODAY interview and IIRC it was when Sonner was flying solo, before Ulrich, but I can't be sure. Does anyone else remember this?

moo

wm

 

[Sensei]

Mr. T went into great detail to explain how Zimmerman shot Trayvon and how Trayvon fell without getting blood all over him. I was ready to barf while I was watching it. I really wish Mr. T would go on Lawrence O'Donnell's program and spew the garbage he was spewing.



~jmo~

Meanwhile he's telling how GZ's jacket was zipped up that is why there was no blood on his shirt, but he is not explaining how there was no blood on the jacket either....color not withstanding, if there had been blood even on the red jacket there would have been dark areas, showing that it was wet, and it would not have looked as if it just came out of the dryer.

I just can't get a grip on what GZ or his "former Attorneys" are attempting to acomplish here except to make them all look like total , this is just
weird and bizarre IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Adrienne37]

AG vows thorough review in Trayvon Martin case
Justice Dept. launched investigation 3 weeks ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that the Justice Department will take appropriate action in the killing of Trayvon Martin if it finds evidence that a federal criminal civil rights crime has been committed.

http://www.wthitv.com/dpps/news/nat...eview-in-trayvon-martin-case-nt12-jgr_4136163

 

[Adrienne37]

Yep, it was pathetic, made no sense, and once again he tried to come across as being real knowledgable about that as if it was first hand inside knowledge, and then NG asks if GZ told him that and he says no it was just what he gathered from the police report. Then NG says something about finding out that he gets his info from the Orlando Sentinel. :floorlaugh:

I don't see him ever going on O'Donnell.

JMHO

I know darn it, that's just wishful thinking!!



~jmo~

 

[tehcloser]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

It not a leak from the prosecutor, they thought they were talking to GZ's attorneys. They had no idea they would flip out at a presser..........