17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[suzihawk]

Since he hasn't been charged with a crime, lawyers don't have access to the police reports and any medical evidence they may have.

Well, both Nancy and Taaffe were waving around what they claimed to be the police report, so... :waitasec:

 

[Sensei]

They were adamant that he had a broken nose. My guess is they did have access to what GZ had, but not the physical evidence held by LE.

The problem with that is that there was not a xray machine in the back of the police car....If GZ did in fact have a broken nose, he should have some x-rays to prove it, the Attorney stated that he went to a private doctor the day after, and if he does not, then a bloody nose does not equal a broken nose and the statement that it was broken carries as much weight as JB statement about George Anthony and sexual abuse...IOW none at all...
Just because you can say it does not mean that it's so.

 

[Isabelle]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Co...tion/-/1637132/10452410/-/gx69ei/-/index.html

In a memo from her office, Corey said she will release new information regarding the investigation into Martin's death, but no specifics were provided.

BBM
what could it be?

The new information about the investigation will probably be that the investigation is ongoing.

 

[ohiogirl]

Last night his former attorney's alluded to the fact that he is in the United States but wouldn't say where. Then I think, how would they really know? GZ is not returning their phone calls or texts messages. They also had said, if there would be charges brought against GZ, there would be no manhunt, that he would turn himself in but does anyone know where he is?

I also wonder if the SPD told him they were still investigating and to not leave the state of Florida...but I don't think it would matter to GZ for it appears he doesn't follow directions. He was told not to speak with anyone, as most defense attorney's would tell their clients but he contacted Sean Hannity off the record and calls the Special Prosecutors office as they said, behind their backs and also this website...I don't believe he had their permission to do that...






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1416080.html


Since he's lost contact with his lawyers, how can they truly know his whereabouts?

I must say Wise Old Owl had insight that this might come to be..yesterday this thought came to his mind..

I truly wonder if he flew the coup...

I only pray that LE know where he is and can find him at a moments notice...lease:

The attorneys have probably been in touch with GZ's family. imo

 

[mikeysmommom]

If that was the intention it worked for me....If I ever found myself in legal trouble I believe I would proceed pro se before I would hire them, who wants their attorney to hold a press conference to tell the nation that their client is a whack job...I may be, but I don't want my attorney telling the media that.
IMO JMHO and stuff

IMO They did not portray him as a whack job,just as someone who has had their world turned upside down due to having to defend himself. I would imagine only someone like a gang member who has killed for sport would not be affected by having to shoot a 17yr old.JMO

 

[Velouria]

They were adamant that he had a broken nose. My guess is they did have access to what GZ had, but not the physical evidence held by LE.

Well, seeing as how they've never even met their client, I'll have to take their assurances with a big ol' grain of salt.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Jane Velez-Mitchell:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/10/ijvm.01.html

Nancy Grace:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/10/ng.01.html

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83A0QX20120411

The day before, Uhrig and Sonner announced they could no longer claim to act as Zimmerman's lawyers because he failed to take their phone calls or respond to emails for days.

 

[Isabelle]

I think these attorneys will hear from the Fla. Disciplinary Board.

 

[mikeysmommom]

The problem with that is that there was not a xray machine in the back of the police car....If GZ did in fact have a broken nose, he should have some x-rays to prove it, the Attorney stated that he went to a private doctor the day after, and if he does not, then a bloody nose does not equal a broken nose and the statement that it was broken carries as much weight as JB statement about George Anthony and sexual abuse...IOW none at all...
Just because you can say it does not mean that it's so.

Do you know for a fact he did not have xrays?My doctor has an xray machine in his office perhaps GZ doctor does as well.

 

[HiHater]

How would he even know that though? The prosecutor is leaking information from conversations with GZ? That's disturbing as well.

That's not disturbing to me. I see nothing wrong with the prosecutor telling a person's "attorneys" that the person doesn't acknowledge them in that role?

The attorneys wouldn't have known otherwise...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I imagine it went something like this...

GZ called the special prosecutor's office and got reception or her assistant. I think it's very unlikely that he got through on her direct line unless he misrepresented who he was. He would then and immediately have been advised that no one in the prosecutor's office could speak to him unless he was represented. He responded that he was representing himself. Whoever he was talking to inquired about the status of Uhrig and Sonner and were told by GZ that they were not representing him, but were merely consulting. The call was terminated by the prosecutor's office and GZ's "counsel" was contacted directly and asked to verify the representation or lack thereof. It would be SOP for adverse counsel to advise GZ's counsel that their "client" had contacted them directly.

Upon being contacted with this information by the prosecutor's office, Sonner and Uhrig went on national television to make it publicly crystal clear that they are not holding themselves out as GZ's counsel without his consent, etc. which would subject them to disciplinary action and could cause other repercussions wrt GZ's defense.

I believe the decision to do this so publicly is related to the extremely high profile of the case and so they can say they did everything in their power to convey their position regarding the representation to their client. Since he wasn't returning calls or answering e-mail, but is almost certainly watching national television and following other media coverage, they can tell the court or the bar that they felt this was the most effective way to communicate with him under the circumstances. IOW, they did everything they could to ensure he got their message. I'm sure they also sent him e-mails and texts and left vm's, but they decided to take the belt and suspenders approach due to all that could potentially be at stake.

jmo.

Ok all of that makes sense but why did Lou Grant show up at the news conference and start yelling at everybody and was that Mary in the crowd he told to shut up and just leave?:waitasec:

 

[Sensei]

IMO They did not portray him as a whack job,just as someone who has had their world turned upside down due to having to defend himself. I would imagine only someone like a gang member who has killed for sport would not be affected by having to shoot a 17yr old.JMO

I guess we will have to disagree, since IMO they not only portrayed GZ as a whack job, they didn't do themselves any favors either. They came off sounding about as nutty as they made him sound....and all this and yet they never spoke to him face to face, nope sorry the whole clutch and cluster of them sound like they are a few fries short of a happy meal. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Isabelle]

I can assure you that a 9mm does not have anywhere near that amount of recoil. Only in the movies.

Do a look up on the gun GZ used. I didn't make it up and I don't like movies with guns. Thanks.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Well, both Nancy and Taaffe were waving around what they claimed to be the police report, so... :waitasec:

I hardly ever watch NG, but I saw that part last night. Ole Frank was all proud of himself, waving his report around sayin he believed in jurisprudence. :floorlaugh:

Got Mz Nancee so hot she started flopping her own around in the camera's face sayin "Well whoop de do Taaffee, I got one of those too!" :floorlaugh:

Ole Frank can't win for loosing. Wore a new tie for her last time, learned a big new word this time. She just ain't cuttin Frank a drop of slack. :floorlaugh:

 

[Sensei]

Do you know for a fact he did not have xrays?My doctor has an xray machine in his office perhaps GZ doctor does as well.

Then we circle back to the original question which IS IF there is actual evidence that exists, that shows definitively that GZ was actually in a severe life and death struggle when he shot, WHY would you not avoid the media and the rally's and all the other bruha, and simply show it so that all of this could be avoided and life could go on? Why would anyone deliberatly subject themselves to this if they have the evidence and proof?

I don't believe that they would, I believe that if that proof actually existed that it would have been front and center while everyone in GZ's family and friend circle and their dog was out trying to clear his name and convince everyone of his innocence..IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Velouria]

Ok all of that makes sense but why did Lou Grant show up at the news conference and start yelling at everybody and was that Mary in the crowd he told to shut up and just leave?:waitasec:

Well thanks for my first coffee-spew of the day, Doc! :silly: Was that the craziest presser or what?

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83A0QX20120411

Uhrig also told Reuters that Zimmerman had said by phone that he would sign a written agreement acknowledging Uhrig was his attorney and was scheduled to do so last weekend but never did. Florida does not require a signed agreement between attorney and client, although it is "better practice" and nearly every case includes one, Uhrig said.

It seems that the Reuters reporter did inquire as to their (contract) w/GZ. So then the lawyers in Fl can jump on any bandwagon w/o a signed contract.

 

[cityslick]

That's not disturbing to me. I see nothing wrong with the prosecutor telling a person's "attorneys" that the person doesn't acknowledge them in that role?

The attorneys wouldn't have known otherwise...

They did not say this yesterday though. They said they were off the case because they cannot contact him, he is not responding to them for 2 days and they can't represent him if they cannot talk to him.

 

[Aedrys]

I worry about this 72 hours thing. That is a long time. He could be long gone at that point, or take his life by that point. The SA is taking a huge gamble by waiting 72 more hours. Or maybe she knows something we don't know and it will all be okay, I don't know. I just hope he didn't promise to turn himself in and then doesn't turn around and kill himself instead.

Thinking about it, why would they trust anything he says to them anyway? As a show of good faith? This whole thing doesn't make any sense.

And I seriously think these two lawyers took a page from Cheney Mason's book. What is it with lawyers near retirement age acting like this? You'd think they'd want to go out with a good reputation, not destroy their reputation. Or maybe it's just lawyers near retirement in Florida.