17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[cityslick]

My favorite part of the show was when he matter-of-factory said"I missed you Nancy" and she half rolled her eyes. Priceless.

Everyone by now knows NG's schtick. I'm surprised more of her 'guests' doesn't call her out on it.

 

[cityslick]

BBM

Yes they did. They were the ones that said in the presser that GZ had contacted the SA on his own as well as the part about just being legal advisors.

JMHO

They did not say that the prosecutors office told them that they are no longer his lawyers.

 

[Adrienne37]

Yuck, it was so gross to watch the older attorney mocking the congresswoman and his voice was screeching. Didn't Howard Deen lose his bid for president a few years ago for doing that same type of screechy noise with his voice? It's so ugly. I think piers used a word last night to describe these attorneys but I can't remember it. It was just ugly and tacky.

The whole thing was utterly disgusting.

 

[Velouria]

IMO They were speaking out in defense of GZ and it seems anyone who does that people take issue with.This is a victims forum and until I see evidence from a real source(AD)GZ is as much a victim as TM is.The media and others have been playing on the emotional aspects of this case IMO Emotion have nothing to do with the law.

How is GZ as much a victim as TM? TM is dead. GZ is not.

I believe that a defense attorney has every right to defend his client, but what those two attorneys did yesterday was extremely unprofessional.

I agree that there is are emotional aspects of the case, and they're being played up on both sides. That was evident yesterday afternoon.

 

[frenchvixen]

IMO They were speaking out in defense of GZ and it seems anyone who does that people take issue with.This is a victims forum and until I see evidence from a real source(AD)GZ is as much a victim as TM is.The media and others have been playing on the emotional aspects of this case IMO Emotion have nothing to do with the law.

GZ is a victim of his delusions. So, this would explain why many on this board side with the real victim(s). I don't remember who said this on TV last night but "if GZ had stayed in his car as he was ordered to do so we would not be talking about this".

 

[cityslick]

I've wondered about that myself. No lawyer is going to go down for a bad client. I think that press conference yesterday was their way of flipping him off, just not actually doing that. They CYA'd by saying he could contact them, but like he would really contact them now? They seem like sore losers to me, and apparently are childish enough to make fools of themselves just to send GZ a message, if that is what they were doing. Maybe they wanted to show him what he passed up and how it's his loss now. Who knows.

Perhaps, but yet still are touting his 'defense' even today on talk shows. They are sending him a message, yet still presenting his side of the story?

 

[Adrienne37]

They did not say that the prosecutors office told them that they are no longer his lawyers.

He told the SA that they were only his legal advisors.



~jmo~

 

[cityslick]

He told the SA that they were only his legal advisors.



~jmo~

And they did not know this already? They were the ones who made the comment that they (paraphrasing) weren't really his lawyers because a) nobody's paying them and b) he hasn't been charged with anything.

You can't be a defense lawyer to a client if said client hasn't needed defense yet.

 

[Karmady]

They did not say that the prosecutors office told them that they are no longer his lawyers.

I listened to the first part of the conference and, imo, it goes without saying that that is exactly what happened. The prosecutor's office would have called Sonner and Uhrig immediately and would have said something like, "hey, your guy just called us and when we said we couldn't talk to him w/o you, he said you're not representing him any more. Is that true?" At which point Sonner and Uhrig would have become very confused, tried to get in touch with GZ, failed, and formally announced that they are no longer representing him based on his statements to the prosecutor and their inability to confirm or refute the prosecutor's recounting of events with GZ.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to say, though.

 

[Isabelle]

I think that ejector slide might have come back and whacked him in the side of the nose.

And considering GZ's 'story' that TM was on top of him, the gun's butt end would have been is close proximity to GZ's face. He could have whacked his head on a bookcase at home or other, for all we know.

 

[rotterdam]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Co...tion/-/1637132/10452410/-/gx69ei/-/index.html

In a memo from her office, Corey said she will release new information regarding the investigation into Martin's death, but no specifics were provided.

BBM
what could it be?

Let me guess and hope. The investigation has been expanded beyond only GZ.:woohoo:

 

[annalia]

They did not say that the prosecutors office told them that they are no longer his lawyers.

And? What exactly is the point, is this to say that prosecutors leaked this information and the leaked information somehow got back to the attorneys? :waitasec:

Then where is any evidence that the prosecutor leaked the information? If the SA leaked this, who did they leak it to and how did the attorneys get the info?

Just because the attorneys didn't go into specific detail doesn't mean that the SA leaked any info.

IT would make more sense that, given that it's highly unusual that anyone would personally contact the SA office and not go through their attorney, that the SA office would let someone know. That isn't a leak.

But that's JMHO and I'm not really all the interested in going round and round about something like this or get hung up on semantics. The point is that GZ contacted the SA on his own, and that his former attorneys were the ones to publicly say so.

JMHO

 

[Isabelle]

This presser absolutely cannot be shown all day long today. Please get out the duct tape!

 

[Concerned Papa]

Do a look up on the gun GZ used. I didn't make it up and I don't like movies with guns. Thanks.

This is the model used to kill Trayvon:

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[Sensei]

He told the SA that they were only his legal advisors.



~jmo~

I am pretty sure that the SA's office was required to contact his Attorney's since they were of the understanding that he was represente,d since it is a violation to speak to him without his Attorneys present, they HAD to let the Attorneys know that he had contacted them even if all they did was say Hello, and I am sure that before they would talk with GZ they would require that he sign a form waiving his right to have an Attorney, and he can't do that over the phone, anything less and they are exposed for denying him his rights under Miranda....this is just such a mess, from the word go....I thought other cases were a bit screwy but this thing just takes the prize here. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[jaded cat]

IMO They did not portray him as a whack job,just as someone who has had their world turned upside down due to having to defend himself. I would imagine only someone like a gang member who has killed for sport would not be affected by having to shoot a 17yr old.JMO

I've seen no evidence that GZ had to shoot TM. His word alone doesn't cut it for me.

 

[Sensei]

I listened to the first part of the conference and, imo, it goes without saying that that is exactly what happened. The prosecutor's office would have called Sonner and Uhrig immediately and would have said something like, "hey, your guy just called us and when we said we couldn't talk to him w/o you, he said you're not representing him any more. Is that true?" At which point Sonner and Uhrig would have become very confused, tried to get in touch with GZ, failed, and formally announced that they are no longer representing him based on his statements to the prosecutor and their inability to confirm or refute the prosecutor's recounting of events with GZ.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to say, though.

Even if he is unrepresented, the SA's office cannot speak to him unless he executes a specific waiver of his right to Councel, otherwise that is denying him his Miranda rights

You have a right to remain silent
You have a right to an Attorney ect..

They can't get around that, he has to legally waive that right before they can speak to him without an Attorney.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

They did not say that the prosecutors office told them that they are no longer his lawyers.

They were only his 'legal' advisors....that is what I believe GZ had told ACory...she asked if he had representation, he said only legal advisors..

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83A0QX20120411

Both Uhrig and Sonner said they had never met face-to-face with Zimmerman but had received emails and spoken by phone with him before Sunday, when they lost contact with him.

So, they tried calling GZ again sunday, seems he didn't answer.

Uhrig also told Reuters that Zimmerman had said by phone that he would sign a written agreement acknowledging Uhrig was his attorney and was scheduled to do so last weekend but never did. Florida does not require a signed agreement between attorney and client, although it is "better practice" and nearly every case includes one, Uhrig said.



bbm

 

[Phoenixfla]

I've seen no evidence that GZ had to shoot TM. His word alone doesn't cut it for me.

Thankfully the justice system is not set up where one has to prove their innocence.