17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[Sensei]

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?

Apart from some religious objections, why would an innocent person refuse?

particularly when they just shot someone? I think they could have arrested him and got a court order for the test if they had been so inclined.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

 

[ThoughtFox]

I don't think that's true. I broke my nose on the steering wheel in a minor car accident (no seatbelt :blushing: ) and they took x-rays. They showed me where it was broken, even though it was a very slight fracture that I didn't even have to have treated.

Also, I was transported by ambulance for my own safety since I had hit my head. There were no ifs ands or buts about it.

That was a long time ago, but it was in Florida.

Yeah, but you had an x-ray and you were taken to the hospital, so you have proof.

Yesterday on the news people kept saying over and over that George had a broken nose. His attorneys said it also. But where are the x-rays? Where is the doctor's report? Did he really go to the doctor? I'll believe it when I see the evidence that he had a broken nose.

I was hit in the nose with a softball as a child, and I've been conked on the nose when my kids were babies and threw back their little heads while I was holding them - it's extremely painful and gives an instant headache. I could have had a hairline fracture and not known it at the time, but I can't prove that any of that actually happened because I never had an x-ray or a doctor's report.

I guess we are supposed to believe that George was fighting through the pain in the police station video, but he looks quite nonchalant to me.

Off-topic, but I've been watching the show Navajo Cops on National Geographic, and one thing that's really different from Florida is that when there is a fight or dispute, they interview everyone at the scene immediately, put both sides in cuffs, take both people to jail, and then let the judges sort out what happened the next day. If a weapon is discharged in a possibly illegal manner, even if someone is just shooting aimlessly in someone else's direction, somebody is going to jail. If someone feels threatened by someone with a gun, they take it seriously. And they don't assume that the perp is automatically telling the truth or that he/she is sober. I can only imagine what those cops think of what is happening in Florida!

 

[Emeralgem]

This is my theory – I know most of you will disagree, and that’s ok.

Yesterday the SP contacted GZ’s attys and said “We are not filing charges, but we want to talk to GZ to make sure that he is safe once the announcement is made”. GZ’s lawyers call and leave a voicemail for GZ with the news, but instead of calling his lawyers, he calls SP. SP probably either tells him to leave the state, or offers some kind of protection.

Once he knows that he is not going to be charged, he calls Sean Hannity because he wants to present his side of the story and needs a show to go on. (Not going to go on NBC now is he?) Why else would anybody call the media??

GZ’s attys fire him because they were not part of the conversation with the SP, and understand that once GZ goes public they will no longer be in the spotlight.

The 72 hours is for police across the country to make preparations for the potential onslaught of riots. Also, it will get us to Friday placing the beginning of the riots over the weekend when businesses are less likely to be affected.

So I predict that sometime mid-friday the SP will announce no charges are supported by the evidence.

Once again, only my theory. We’ll know by Saturday if it is accurate or not.

Right now I'm more than somewhat inclined to believe you just may be right...JMHO

 

[Adrienne37]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

and this article tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

The damage done by George Zimmerman's lawyers
The accused killer's behavior -- and his former attorneys' press conference -- hurt what could have been a strong defense case


The special prosecutor has now announced that she will issue a statement soon. This statement may disclose whether she plans to indict and arrest Zimmerman — a likely outcome. She may have been pressured by the lawyers’ statements to arrest him even more quickly than she had originally intended, because the lawyers acknowledge that they don’t know where their erstwhile client is.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/damage-george-zimmerman-lawyers-article-1.1059728#ixzz1rkW6djMv



~jmo~

 

[redkatrampant]

and this article tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

The damage done by George Zimmerman's lawyers
The accused killer's behavior -- and his former attorneys' press conference -- hurt what could have been a strong defense case


The special prosecutor has now announced that she will issue a statement soon. This statement may disclose whether she plans to indict and arrest Zimmerman — a likely outcome. She may have been pressured by the lawyers’ statements to arrest him even more quickly than she had originally intended, because the lawyers acknowledge that they don’t know where their erstwhile client is.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/damage-george-zimmerman-lawyers-article-1.1059728#ixzz1rkW6djMv



~jmo~

I kinda have to agree with you there. The fact that she included this quote from Corey "In discussing the investigation into the shooting death of Martin she said, "What we are asking people to do is take a step back. Pray for Trayvon. Pray for his family. Listen to their words. I believe these are wonderful people who are asking for a peaceful approach to this case, while still demanding the answers they deserve. And I look forward to meeting with them to try to help them on this journey. Our victims always have a tough plight."

speaks volumes to me. But again ONLY IMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

I agree with this in part (I agree that he is not dead and the paramedics may have noted impairment but not necessarily)

That being said I do not agree that the SPD should not have conducted a thorough investigation including drug/alcohol testing on the GZ who had just shot an unarmed kid. All they had was his (GZ) word. That is not how you conduct an investigation. They should have treated it like any other shooting and homicide investigation imhoo.

I think all kinds of heads will roll over the way they conducted the investigation imhoo.

Well, actually didn't the chief already step down iirc?

Good Morning my dear friend. I realize you are not a paramedic, but you are a medical professional and I'd like to ask you a few questions in that regard.

IF you were at the scene of an occurance such as this, and a patient/victim was in need of treatment after a life threatening beating with visible injuries including:

(1) A broken nose that was bleeding

(2) Scalp lacerations and bleeding resulting from repeated bashing of the head on a concrete sidewalk

-How long would you think might be reasonable for whatever treatment is typically done at the scene, prior to transport?

-IF this patient, in lieu of treatment, were to insist he was fine would you expect a release to be signed for the paramedic's liability?

-Conversely, if you WERN'T at the scene and read the following terminology on the incident report, to you, would it indicate a release was signed or treatment concluded?

 

[rossva]

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

Apart from some religious objections, why would an innocent person refuse?

particularly when they just shot someone? I think they could have arrested him and got a court order for the test if they had been so inclined.

 

[Emeralgem]

Yep, distrubing...SPD should have...

Some think GZ sounded 'drunk' on those 911 calls..his speech was slurred and yet, the police didn't test him? Shouldn't that be standard???

I think SPD botched this from the start..they should have treated GZ as a suspect ... tox reports, GSR...blood splatter, bullet entry...autospy...he should have been told the investigation was still ongoing and that he should not attempt the leave the state of Florida...Now, he might be gone...would his family know where he's at and would they give him up?

This is getting really frightening...I certainly hope someone has a handle on GZ..

I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere SPD isn't even being investigated.. Anyone else recall reading this? JMHO

 

[Sensei]

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

It would only be a violation if they took blood without a court order or his permission.

I would however find it disingenuous to refuse permission and then whine when you are suspected of being under the influence of something

The fact is that a test to determine if he was under the influence of ANYTHING not just drugs or any illegal substance, but any other medications including OTC meds should have just been a standard protocol, and apparently they didn't do it.

 

[rotterdam]

Except when you claim you killed someone in self-defense. There should be more than just your word as a defendant to support the use of deadly force.

And coupled with immunity , it could be quite expensive for the average local court system with tight budgets, if they arrest that SYG claim perpetrator and lose the case. Plus damaging to those with elected positions.

 

[gitana1]

it makes no sense that Mr Zimmerman's not-my-attys are still all over my tv and still stirring things up. In some ways it seems to me that they want a riot type situation

I think the notoriety of the case went to their heads.

This is my theory – I know most of you will disagree, and that’s ok.

Yesterday the SP contacted GZ’s attys and said “We are not filing charges, but we want to talk to GZ to make sure that he is safe once the announcement is made”. GZ’s lawyers call and leave a voicemail for GZ with the news, but instead of calling his lawyers, he calls SP. SP probably either tells him to leave the state, or offers some kind of protection.

Once he knows that he is not going to be charged, he calls Sean Hannity because he wants to present his side of the story and needs a show to go on. (Not going to go on NBC now is he?) Why else would anybody call the media??

GZ’s attys fire him because they were not part of the conversation with the SP, and understand that once GZ goes public they will no longer be in the spotlight.

The 72 hours is for police across the country to make preparations for the potential onslaught of riots. Also, it will get us to Friday placing the beginning of the riots over the weekend when businesses are less likely to be affected.

So I predict that sometime mid-friday the SP will announce no charges are supported by the evidence.

Once again, only my theory. We’ll know by Saturday if it is accurate or not.

I guarantee there will be charges. I am certain of this. What charges, I;m not sure. But, something.

I mentioned yesterday, if my memory is correct, that GZ disappeared well before there were threats against him, he left before the bounty was put out, he left before this whole thing was even a blip in the local media, much less the national media.

If he had nothing to hide then why go into hiding before his safety was even an issue?

Oh, there were threats immediately. I do understand why he went into hiding at once. He knew he just killed a kid for no reason. He knew there would be people out for his blood.

 

[Gin]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

I respect your opinion.
JMO,My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and firmly established himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

 

[impatientredhead]

I hope so too. I have grandchildren who are 1/4 Cuban. I'd like to think some day they could go there for a visit and see relatives.

There are ways to go now, as part of a humanatarian visit. You sign up with group and file paperwork with florida. Then you can fly direct from Miami I think

 

[Sensei]

I think the notoriety of the case went to their heads.



I guarantee there will be charges. I am certain of this. What charges, I;m not sure. But, something.



Oh, there were threats immediately. I do understand why he went into hiding at once. He knew he just killed a kid for no reason. He knew there would be people out for his blood.

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

 

[ThoughtFox]

I respect your opinion.
JMO,My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and firmly established himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

Good point about the end of the statement!!! This gives me hope she will charge!

 

[gitana1]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

I disagree. Even the title is "Let a Jury Decide". The writer doesn't seem to think there isn't enough to charge, but that a jury may not convict, which is a big possibility in my mind.

I am positive there will be charges. Not sure what kind but I am predicting manslaughter rather than 1st or 2nd degree.

 

[rotterdam]

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

To me it looks like they ended the investigation the next day with a re- enactment on the homicide scene( with Daddy present) and GZ bolting town that same day. There was no further questioning of GZ after that we know off and he was not told to remain available for further interviews. Case closed. Just tying up some loose ends. All IMO.

 

[gitana1]

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.

 

[Elley Mae]

I respect your opinion.
My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and established firmly himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

It seems to me if charges where/are there he would have been charged.
I am on the side of Self Defense being used. Who knows maybe Friday 13th will be GZ's unlucky day as it was for Jacque De Moray.