17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[jojomonkey]

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

I have said from the beginning, if he had sustained "real" injuries, we would have seen pictures by now. He himself would have wanted them released to prove his self-defense excuse. The police would want them released to quell the rising anger over his self-defense theory - that would be the proof to back him up.

Nope, we haven't seen any sign of injuries - only hearsay from his family and friends that they exist.

 

[nursebeeme]

Great answers! As a fellow RN, I have one for you: While at the scene, if GZ displayed any behavior that would imply he was not competent to make a medical decision on his behalf, don't you think LE would have taken custody and he could be forced to go to an ER for further evaluation. Someone would have to act on his behalf to protect him from further injury? Do you think there is an obligation for LE, SFD, EMT to make sure a person is capable of making the right decision? Thanks

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

 

[Emeralgem]

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

And I suspect the reason for that was because there weren't any near fatal injuries..JMHO

 

[Adrienne37]

I've basically been camping out on the Seminole County Clerk of Court's website, refreshing about every half our or so in anticipation of charges. They can't come soon enough for me.

 

[csziggy]

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?

Yes, there is a provision in Florida law to compel a test when a firearm is used.

Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.153 Tests for impairment or intoxication; right to refuse.—
(1)(a) Any person who uses a firearm within this state shall submit to an approved chemical or physical breath test to determine the alcoholic content of the blood and to a urine test to detect the presence of controlled substances, if there is probable cause to believe that the person was using a firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages or controlled substances or that the person is lawfully arrested for any offense allegedly committed while he or she was using a firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages or controlled substances. The breath test shall be incidental to a lawful arrest and administered at the request of a law enforcement officer who has probable cause to believe such person was using the firearm within this state while under the influence of alcoholic beverages. The urine test shall be incidental to a lawful arrest and administered at a detention facility, mobile or otherwise, which is equipped to administer such tests at the request of a law enforcement officer who has probable cause to believe such person was using a firearm within this state while under the influence of controlled substances. The urine test shall be administered at a detention facility or any other facility, mobile or otherwise, which is equipped to administer such tests in a reasonable manner that will ensure the accuracy of the specimen and maintain the privacy of the individual involved. The administration of either test shall not preclude the administration of the other test. The refusal to submit to a chemical or physical breath or urine test upon the request of a law enforcement officer as provided in this section shall be admissible into evidence in any criminal proceeding. This section shall not hinder the taking of a mandatory blood test as outlined in s. 790.155.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...hol&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.153.html

 

[Gin]

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.

IMO,JMO...
I agree.
I also think (and I don't know the timeline for this), but as the condo OWNERS in that complex realized how damaging this has been, they are probably pretty universally angry. GZ's armed patrol that resulted in the killing of Trayvon has likely sent their property values much further down than they already were. ( Due to the real estate market mess in Florida-especially in condos.)
IMO, Their complex now has nationwide notoriety and a "reputation" of...if nothing else, a board that is totally out of control or mindless about protecting the financial interests of the owners.

I certainly don't think the owners would do something criminal, but they also might not be exchanging pleasantries with GZ and Daddy as they pick up the mail.

Maybe this also had something to do with GZ being sent on a little vacay somewhere.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I am an icu/cvicu nurse (and verified here). My answers are above:moo::moo:



eta: I just read your link papa It says he was "cleared" that means he was examined and cleared. Means no need for transport or further treatment :moo:

THAT'S the main point I wanted your opinion on, Thank You. :rocker:

 

[raeann]

It would only be a violation if they took blood without a court order or his permission.

I would however find it disingenuous to refuse permission and then whine when you are suspected of being under the influence of something

The fact is that a test to determine if he was under the influence of ANYTHING not just drugs or any illegal substance, but any other medications including OTC meds should have just been a standard protocol, and apparently they didn't do it.

IF they didn't and they had wanted to take a blood alcohol test, they could have forced the issue because he had been driving by his own admission. His vehicle was still at the scene. They could have done it under the guise of a DUI suspicion at the very least----IF they had wanted to do that.

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

 

[Isabelle]

I have said from the beginning, if he had sustained "real" injuries, we would have seen pictures by now. He himself would have wanted them released to prove his self-defense excuse. The police would want them released to quell the rising anger over his self-defense theory - that would be the proof to back him up.

Nope, we haven't seen any sign of injuries - only hearsay from his family and friends that they exist.

He would have uploaded the pics to his own website!

 

[Concerned Papa]

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

I knew when I read it in the police report that word was trying to tell me something. That's why I snipped it out and saved it.

 

[Elley Mae]

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

 

[redkatrampant]

I've basically been camping out on the Seminole County Clerk of Court's website, refreshing about every half our or so in anticipation of charges. They can't come soon enough for me.

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/

here?

 

[Sensei]

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

I have to agree, and I know that protocols are different from state to state and hospital to hospital, but where I am, if you have bloody lacerations or severe hematomas to the back of your head and a story about having your head hit against concrete, you will have earned yourself a ticket to ride to the hospital in the company of one of our PD's finest, until they are sure that you are not going to convulse, or crash and die on them.

I tend to believe that the story about GZ's head injuries and broken nose have been greatly exaggerated IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[w1df10wr]

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

Thank you - I have HLN on tv. And it hasn't begun yet.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I would swear that lawyer yesterday said something about grass stains on the bottom of zimmerman's pants. It was strange he never said coat.

 

[redkatrampant]

Sanford Awaits Announcement In Trayvon Case
Mood In City 'Intense,' Some Say

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30874316/detail.html#ixzz1rklK3TZE

 

[4Jacy]

I expect nothing less from the Martins' then the decorum they have shown thus far. They are certainly trying to keep this case from erupting into violence.

 

[Adrienne37]

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/

here?

Yep, be warned they have some wacko captcha's there.

 

[LaLaw2000]

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

I still say that the 'broken nose' was from an incident in the past where it had not been set properly or not set at all. The pic in the suit and tie shows what I think to be a broken nose that had either not been set or did not heal correctly. Boxers frequently have noses that look like GZ's, IMO.