17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #23

[Nana46]

I still don't understand what you are trying to say????? So even if it was a closed coffin, do you think Sybrina and Tracy didn't see Trayvon's body before they buried him? Do you think they would not know their own child? Or are they somehow involved in this big cover up? Do you think they held this funeral for some unknown body? If GZ didn't kill Trayvon, just who do you think he killed?

My son died. Trust me on this........no mother would let her child be buried without seeing the body UNLESS the funeral home convinces a parent that the shape the body is in would be a horrific memory to have....with that said, I still believe MOST parents would want or need to see that body...that is really the only way you can deal with it....the loss is too great, too sudden and too traumatic to accept unless you can have that body in order to convince yourself it is real.......in my very humble opinion.

I am fully aware of deaths of young and old where families have certainly been advised on viewing the body.....think fire fatality, etc......some are so horrific.........but I still think most just have to have that closure....it is hard enough to deal with the loss of a child......I don't know how Trayvon's parents are able to even carry on a coherent conversation........my heart goes out to them..........and to know their child was shot.............God Bless them.

IMO

 

[songline]

Was Trayvon Martin's Killing A Federal Hate Crime?
by CARRIE JOHNSON

Civil rights groups cheered the news that the Justice Department would look into the case of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teen shot by a man on neighborhood watch in Sanford, Fla.But the bar for the Justice Department to make a federal case is high. Ultimately, it has few options at its disposal when it comes to investigating the teen's death.



http://www.npr.org/2012/03/21/149058384/was-trayvon-martins-killing-a-federal-hate-crime

Look for a book coming soon...
It really should be about how the law had to be changed
because of the Travon Martin Case.
It should never be about a racial case which only serves to
strengthens a divide, and is not true in this case.

 

[rossva]

Does the Retreat at Twin Lakes have a grassy knoll?

 

[octobermoon]

My son died. Trust me on this........no mother would let her child be buried without seeing the body UNLESS the funeral home convinces a parent that the shape the body is in would be a horrific memory to have....with that said, I still believe MOST parents would want or need to see that body...that is really the only way you can deal with it....the loss is too great, too sudden and too traumatic to accept unless you can have that body in order to convince yourself it is real.......in my very humble opinion.

I am fully aware of deaths of young and old where families have certainly been advised on viewing the body.....think fire fatality, etc......some are so horrific.........but I still think most just have to have that closure....it is hard enough to deal with the loss of a child......I don't know how Trayvon's parents are able to even carry on a coherent conversation........my heart goes out to them..........and to know their child was shot.............God Bless them.

IMO

:grouphug:

 

[mercuriod]

The morgue can lose their license if they do something like that, they are very careful. Especially in a high profile case like this. I don't think they would be that careless.

Oh come on don't spoil all the fun of the lunacy with rational thought!

:ufo:

 

[LinasK]

Look for a book coming soon...
It really should be about how the law had to be changed
because of the Travon Martin Case.
It should never be about a racial case which only serves to
strengthens a divide, and is not true in this case.

You don't know that it's not true. The prosecutors today said that GZ profiled TM. I am a white woman who normally doesn't side with black activists (whom I'm not allowed to name on this thread), but in this case, they are right! This is about racial injustice IMO, and it's the most blatant case I can recall in my 51 years.

 

[Boytwnmom]

Trayvon

Most tellingly, the affidavit describes how Martin was returning from a 7-11 store, where he had bought a can of iced tea and a bag of skittles, "when he was profiled by George Zimmerman."

That's important and establishes racial motivation and perhaps racial animus and shows the mindset of GZ first his first look at Trayvon, "He's a criminal" and so everything from there is based on his, VERY wrong, assumption. I think this very wrong assumption may be important especially in establishing whether his actions were reasonable. Can you even invoke SYG if you have engaged in unreasonable behavior that puts you in the situation you kill your way out of? Profiling by GZ is NOT illegal-he's a private citizen and can be as prejudiced as he wants but his lack of objective reasonableness, first in immediately deciding Trayvon was a criminal and then following him armed and continuing after being told not to, all add up to a situation that is unreasonable and maybe unlawful if it can be established that his intent was to prevent Trayvon from getting away and thus unlawfully detain him. If so, he was not engaged in lawful behavior and I don't know that any affirmative defenses around SYG or self defense could be invoked.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57413385/court-affidavit-zimmerman-profiled-trayvon-martin/

No but "they always get away" is inflammatory, in my opinion.

It all goes to George's state of mind, and that's what will matter to a jury. For Murder 2 they don't have to prove he was racially biased, just that he was on a mission to hunt down Trayvon for whatever "depraved" reason he had on his mind.

 

[Gin]

I really feel that this is a problem at WS. WS only allows MSM information as being factual and everything else is considered to be a rumor/gossip unless it is from an approved WS source.

This is probably the reason that your first day of posting has been so rocky today as you are reading the sites which have information that we do not allow here because it is not considered to be coming from a reliable source.

The rules are there for many reasons, that's OK. I never want someone's first day or days postings to be rocky. This is a complex case, and there will be plenty of time for sleuthing, mommakk51.
Websleuths is a great site, and I hope you find it helpful. We all learn and share together here, respectfully.

 

[Adrienne37]

My son died. Trust me on this........no mother would let her child be buried without seeing the body UNLESS the funeral home convinces a parent that the shape the body is in would be a horrific memory to have....with that said, I still believe MOST parents would want or need to see that body...that is really the only way you can deal with it....the loss is too great, too sudden and too traumatic to accept unless you can have that body in order to convince yourself it is real.......in my very humble opinion.

I am fully aware of deaths of young and old where families have certainly been advised on viewing the body.....think fire fatality, etc......some are so horrific.........but I still think most just have to have that closure....it is hard enough to deal with the loss of a child......I don't know how Trayvon's parents are able to even carry on a coherent conversation........my heart goes out to them..........and to know their child was shot.............God Bless them.

IMO

((((Nana46))))

 

[LinasK]

Oh come on don't spoil all the fun of the lunacy with rational thought!

:ufo:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[pghbrandi]

My son died. Trust me on this........no mother would let her child be buried without seeing the body UNLESS the funeral home convinces a parent that the shape the body is in would be a horrific memory to have....with that said, I still believe MOST parents would want or need to see that body...that is really the only way you can deal with it....the loss is too great, too sudden and too traumatic to accept unless you can have that body in order to convince yourself it is real.......in my very humble opinion.

I am fully aware of deaths of young and old where families have certainly been advised on viewing the body.....think fire fatality, etc......some are so horrific.........but I still think most just have to have that closure....it is hard enough to deal with the loss of a child......I don't know how Trayvon's parents are able to even carry on a coherent conversation........my heart goes out to them..........and to know their child was shot.............God Bless them.

IMO

So sorry to hear about your son. :hug:

 

[legalmania]

I know that GZ admitted to shooting Tray.. but I can't get around the fact that he was heard asking "OMG what just happened here??" ... I think someone else was involved. Someone beat the crap out of GZ, maybe Tray was coming to try and help GZ since he was screaming for help. Maybe this person who beat the crap out out of GZ got his gun out, put it in GZ's hand and pulled the trigger on Tray... there are SO MANY maybes! I do not believe for one minute that GZ either confronted, or shot Tray on purpose. JMO

I must go eat before I go braindead.

I think the prosecutor made sure that she had all the facts in this case and with the witnesses and evidence I'm pretty sure she has it right. There were only two people involved in this case one is dead and the other is under arrested.

 

[Isabelle]

LOL, I have the ceiling fans spinning all 365 days of the year!

And, I have another floor fan pointed at my body at night, while in bed. It can never be cool enough!

 

[iluvmua]

I know that GZ admitted to shooting Tray.. but I can't get around the fact that he was heard asking "OMG what just happened here??" ... I think someone else was involved. Someone beat the crap out of GZ, maybe Tray was coming to try and help GZ since he was screaming for help. Maybe this person who beat the crap out out of GZ got his gun out, put it in GZ's hand and pulled the trigger on Tray... there are SO MANY maybes! I do not believe for one minute that GZ either confronted, or shot Tray on purpose. JMO

I must go eat before I go braindead.

I'm pretty sure there is no third party and GZ & TM are the only ones involved.

 

[joypath]

The reason for me asking who identified him was because someone posted a link about who was legally allowed to identify a body, and it stated that relative was not. I don't know that I believe that LE would be so callous as to show Tracy a picture of Tray laying there dead in the grass. That just seems unethical to me. And if a family member isn't allowed to identify a body, just someone who has known him for a year ..I'd think that would leave it open for a misidentification. JMO

Re: LE utilizing a death scene photo. Unfortunately, that is sometimes the only photo available given the time frame of an incident. It a probability or possibility that at the same time the identification was being made, a post mortem was underway at the ME's office. The unethical behavior in my very humble opinion would be to let an individual remain as a John/Jane Doe or as a "presumptive" id for an extended period.

Please note that it is policy http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/comsrvs/medexaminer.aspx?ref=#legalid of the SEMINOLE County's OME, here are other links describing how other agencies deal with identification:
http://www.ct.gov/ocme/lib/ocme/documents/other/07-2011_bereavement_brochure.pdf ("a friend, co-worker or distant relative can do this task if it would contribute to the comfort of the immediate family"), http://www.nyc.gov/html/ocme/html/faq/faq.shtml#2 ("
Identification is necessary in order to establish that the person reported to OCME as having died is, in fact, that person, and to complete the certificate of death.
The person making the identification first will be asked to give certain information about him/herself as well as about the deceased person. Once the information has been recorded, the identifying person will view a photograph of the deceased person (taken at OCME) in order to complete the identification process. As a general rule, the photograph is of the face only; occasionally, it will be of a mark such as a tattoo or scar.")

Re: misidentification is minimized (per se) by the fact that decedents' medical history, charts, dental and finger prints are utilized in various manners as needed. Fax machines & emails with attachments are wonders of technology!

:what::what::what: And what a difference in the quality of information :moo::moo: on each of the above site! :banghead::banghead:


again, just my opinion.

 

[songline]

My son died. Trust me on this........no mother would let her child be buried without seeing the body UNLESS the funeral home convinces a parent that the shape the body is in would be a horrific memory to have....with that said, I still believe MOST parents would want or need to see that body...that is really the only way you can deal with it....the loss is too great, too sudden and too traumatic to accept unless you can have that body in order to convince yourself it is real.......in my very humble opinion.

I am fully aware of deaths of young and old where families have certainly been advised on viewing the body.....think fire fatality, etc......some are so horrific.........but I still think most just have to have that closure....it is hard enough to deal with the loss of a child......I don't know how Trayvon's parents are able to even carry on a coherent conversation........my heart goes out to them..........and to know their child was shot.............God Bless them.

IMO

So sad Nana no parent should have to bury a child.

(((((((((( BIG HUG )))))))))))

I think they would want to see him, and have.

 

[legalmania]

Oh come on don't spoil all the fun of the lunacy with rational thought!

:ufo:

Well I learned everything I know from my Uncle Spock.

 

[Isabelle]

But how do we know they had an open casket?

If Trayvon is not in a casket and in a masoleum, where do you think he is? I don't follow your questions. I guarantee you Trayvon's mother saw her son's body in the casket, even if no one else did. Been there, done that!

 

[Velouria]

Alan Dershowitz is a constitutional law professor at Harvard and has been since long before the Simpson trial.

Er, I'm well aware of who he is Nova, but thanks.

 

[itsreenw]

I love how he thinks he's part of the actual defense team since he keeps using the pronoun "WE" when talking about what the defense team is doing/thinking. Does this guy have another job or has this become his new career? :banghead:

He thinks when he hears "unleash the lawyers", they're including him.

He's just as disillusioned about his position on the defense team as GZ was about being a cop. And good question...what is his regular job?? Did he quit to do the talk show circuit?