17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #24

[octobermoon]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...status-hearing-second-degree-murder-affidavit

The judge hearing the George Zimmerman case today announced that her husband works for the law firm of Mark NeJame, who's been hired to act as a CNN analyst for this case.

Who'da thunk that rating would win over justice.

I think it is more complicated than that. GZ or his family wanted MN to represent him. Her hubby being partners with MN, and the appearance of insider knowledge may not be good for Justice. Or the Judge. All this is JMO

 

[songline]

where is the sound off thread?

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[krkrjx]

I respectfully disagree. The act of following does not prove GZ was the aggressor. In fact, according to the law, as explained by Richard Hornsby, one can use deadly force if a person they provoke responds with disproportionate force. IMO

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/

There is a difference between two parties being in the same place and one provoking the other into a fight and two parties being separated by some distance and one purposely following the other.

 

[songline]

I heard this report while I was running errands earlier. It was news to me that Michigan has its own version of "Stand Your Ground".

Debate Surrounds ‘Stand Your Ground’ After Teen’s Death

April 13, 2012 11:37 AM

Reporting Charlie Langton

DETROIT (CBS) – The Travyon Martin case has ignited a whirlwind of heated discussion around the “Stand Your Ground” law in Stanford, Florida. What a lot of people may not know is that Michigan also has a Stand Your Ground law...

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/13/debate-surrounds-stand-your-ground-after-teens-death/

I think there are 26-28 states that have that law.

 

[suzihawk]

Apparently they spend all their money at Target.

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[LolaMoon08]

There is a difference between two parties being in the same place and one provoking the other into a fight and two parties being separated by some distance and one purposely following the other.

Not just following him... but following him with the mindframe that "these a**holes always get away" and that Trayvon was a "f***ing punk." He freely admits to LE on that call that Trayvon is running away... and freely admits that he is following him.

George's own words are what may convict him?

 

[i.b.nora]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...status-hearing-second-degree-murder-affidavit

The judge hearing the George Zimmerman case today announced that her husband works for the law firm of Mark NeJame, who's been hired to act as a CNN analyst for this case.

Who'da thunk that ratings would win over justice.

Actually, I think it is about ethics.

"Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler said she had an ethical obligation to disclose that and allow Zimmerman's attorney or the special prosecutor to ask her to step down.

No one's made that request yet, but Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that's an issue that worries him and next week he may ask her to give the case to another judge."

Not sure what your comment about ratings has to do with anything.

 

[songline]

In your original post you stated that you had heard enough opinions, that is what I was questioning. We are all here giving our opinions, so your stating that you had heard enough opinions brings into question why you are on an opinion board, then you stated that you are here to post your opinions, I am assuming that since you post your opinion you want the rest of us to read them, but then again as you stated - you have heard enough of our opinions.

But I never said what you said. I do read your opinions.
I find that some too few stand in the middle. I do not believe in one sided anything.
so all those that seem one sided, are not looking just jumping
I would equate that to being no different then want the
police department had done on that night.
jump to conclusion, before a thorough investigating. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL

 

[lillygator]

what is the process to find another judge? how many are in teh county and would they volunteer?

 

[LambChop]

I'll take it 1 step further...

Since he knew he wasn't the one screaming for help, he decides to take ownage of that as well, since Trayvon can no longer speak for himself.

"I called for help... but nobody helped me."

Glad he had a gun on him huh? That screaming for help, just stopped, the 2nd we hear the gunshot. U think he'd still be calling for help to bring people to where he was at. Unless of course, as most of think, it wasn't him screaming to begin with. IMO....

Initially, a man named John said he thought the help call was from GZ. So it is possible the first call for help was GZ but he wanted someone to get TM off him so he could get up. There were no 911 calls at that time. I really think GZ was holding onto TM to keep him from getting away and wanted John to help him hold onto TM. When the 911 calls started going into LE I believe that was TM yelling. I think the evidence will show (and we can see it now) that GZ was not willing to let go of TM and TM was struggling to get free. It's possible GZ never told TM who he was and all he wanted was for him to wait until LE got there to clear him. I believe this because GZ never told LE where TM lived. GZ let LE think TM was from outside the community, a just looking to break into a condo. jmo

 

[Adrienne37]

what is the process to find another judge? how many are in teh county and would they volunteer?

According to HLN, there are 4 judges in Seminole County.



~jmo~

 

[songline]

And I pray lease: that Trayvon and his family get justice. Since justice is subjective, I am just gonna say that justice to me would be life without parole. If someone wants to profile, hunt, and kill black kids then I don't want them in my society.

In my opinion.

You call this justice :what: :what: :what: :what: :what: :what:
without knowing all the detail because we do not know all the details.
IMO if he did do any of what you said he should be in jail.
But again we still wait to have FACTS.
Unless you are psychic I do not think you know more then we ALL know.

 

[Gin]

Mark Nejame's explanation of the conflict of interest--

Mark Nejame on live air: Very simply if I could summarize it. We received a call (and had permission from Mr. Zimmerman to release this) on March 13 to represent him.
I respectfully declined. Too many family obligations, I just didn't want to be involved at this level at this point in my life with this case.

Then the other attorneys got involved, they left the case, and then I got called back by friends of theirs and they wanted me to take the case.
I rejected it, and by then I'd already signed a contract with CNN and am now with CNN and HLN to be a legal analyst.

Well then after that, apparently the case was charged. It was randomly assigned to Judge Recksiedler who ironically her husband Jason is my law partner. Who runs and manages the personal injury division of my law firm. So obviously we had an issue there. Because I had been contacted by Mr. Zimmerman and had referred Mark O'Mara the case, his current lawyer. And my law partner is the husband of the woman whom I would be analyzing from time to time in my duties as a CNN analyst.

So all this was apparently brought to the attention, and she is doing the right and ethical thing, by bringing it to all parties, as I understand it it has already been brought to all parties. She's doing the proper thing on the record. And the way we are dictated, governed by as lawyers is we want make sure that we avoid any appearances of impropriety.

Lawyers and judges want make sure we do that at all times. For, even if there is nothing going on, which of course, there is not, so that the public does not have a misunderstanding. And that's what is going on here.


JMO/IMO...I do my best to transcribe accurately...any errors are unintentional.

 

[krkrjx]

I think there are 26-28 states that have that law.

IIRC we have heard from those who signed Florida's stand your ground legislation, and they have claimed it does not apply in this case.

We have the law in my state and if someone broke into my home in the middle of the night I could legally shoot them to defend myself or my property. However, I could not scare the intruder away and then follow them down the street, around the corner, between buildings, etc., and then invoke stand your ground as a defense.

My state's stand your ground would allow me to protect myself and my property in the face of threat. It would not allow me to pursue the person once they left.

 

[cityslick]

Mark Nejame's explanation of the conflict of interest--

Mark Nejame on live air: Very simply if I could summarize it. We received a call (and had permission from Mr. Zimmerman to release this) on March 13 to represent him.
I respectfully declined. Too many family obligations, I just didn't want to be involved at this level at this point in my life with this case.

Then the other attorneys got involved, they left the case, and then I got called back by friends of theirs and they wanted me to take the case.
I rejected it, and by then I'd already signed a contract with CNN and am now with CNN and HLN to be a legal analyst.

Well then after that, apparently the case was charged. It was randomly assigned to Judge Recksiedler who ironically her husband Jason is my law partner. Who runs and manages the personal injury division of my law firm. So obviously we had an issue there because I had been contacted by Mr. Zimmerman and had referred Mark O'Mara the case, his current lawyer and my law partner is the husband of the woman whom I would be analyzing from time to time in my duties as a CNN analyst.

So all this was apparently brought to the attention and she is doing the right and ethical thing, by bringing it to all parties, as I understand it it has already been brought to all parties. She's doing the proper thing on the record, and the way we are dictated governed by as lawyers is we want make sure that we avoid any appearances of impropriety.

Lawers and judges want make sure we do that at all times, for, even if there is nothing going on, which of course, there is not, so that the public does not have a misunderstanding and that's what is going on here.


JMO/IMO...I do my best to transcribe accurately...any errors are unintentional.

I didn't think of it from the standpoint that he would be doing analysis on the judge from time to time which is his partners wife. You can see the conflict there although I wonder if it still would be the case even if GZ had not contacted him.

 

[songline]

IIRC we have heard from those who signed Florida's stand your ground legislation, and they have claimed it does not apply in this case.

We have the law in my state and if someone broke into my home in the middle of the night I could legally shoot them to defend myself or my property. However, I could not scare the intruder away and then follow them down the street, around the corner, between buildings, etc., and then invoke stand your ground as a defense.

My state's stand your ground would allow me to protect myself and my property in the face of threat. It would not allow me to pursue the person once they left.

There is something or the Hornsby web site about this.
I have not read it recently.
But seems if your life is threatened even outside of your home
you can shoot and use this law.
Here is his site....
Not sure if it is no there now.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/

 

[octobermoon]

I didn't think of it from the standpoint that he would be doing analysis on the judge from time to time which is his partners wife. You can see the conflict there although I wonder if it still would be the case even if GZ had not contacted him.

Might make things at the office a little tense.

 

[shadowraiths]

Wrt GZ's "eye roll" ( link ) I would venture to guess that it may have to do with the fact that he wears contacts. ( link )

 

[magnolia]

I agree that the act of "following" Trayvon does not make GZ the aggressor, but the mindframe GZ had when he stepped out of that car and began following Trayvon, IMO, makes him the aggressor.

Trayvon, according to Zimmerman, was running from him. According to Zimmerman, he was following Trayvon.

What makes GZ the aggressor is that when he stepped out of that car he was under the impression that these "a**holes always get away" and that Trayvon was a "f***ing punk."

His intention is very clear... he was not going to allow Trayvon to get away. Trayvon was running from a confrontation... Zimmerman was running towards a confrontation... in the simplest terms.

That makes him the aggressor.

MOO

None of those acts are unlawful, nor would they be considered legally provocative acts. According to the law, who the aggressor was is really irrelevant. It is what took place after physical contact. RH explains the law in detail and provides the Florida Statues.

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/

 

[i.b.nora]

Stand Your Ground is not the same as right to self defense in your home (or your "Castle")
Stand Your Ground takes it out into the public square. It sets this country back decades, if not centuries. IMO.