17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[Phoenixfla]

Ever hear the game of telephone, where one tells a story to one person, then that person tells another the story as they heard it, so on and so on?

The game of telephone is being played in the article you are reading.

I would take it one step further and say nearly EVERYTHING reported in the media attributed to GZ is just heresay.

 

[gxm]

I do not believe it happened this way, but, could Zimmerman have pulled the gun on Trayvon and told him to stop where he was and wait until police arrived which in turn had Trayvon tell Zimmerman "ok, you got it"?

Now one of the problems I see with this is Zimmerman had no right or reason to detain Trayvon so that could blow his self-defense claim out the water. So it makes it "sound better" and helps Zimmerman's self-defense claim if he changes that a little bit. Can't let on that Zimmerman did anything illegal that night, after all if that comes out then Zimmerman will have the honor of spending if not the rest of his life in prison then at least a good chunk of it.

MOO

IMO, the biggest plausibility problem with scenarios that involve the confrontation starting after the gun was pulled out is the witness who says the guy in red was on the ground. I just don't see how GZ ended up on the ground if the gun was already out.

To my mind, GZ reaching for his phone, TM thinking he's going for the gun decks him, GZ ends up on the ground, this scenario is believable. Whereas GZ has gun drawn, TM decks him, is highly doubtful.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[leslie1960]

Which version is this now. Lost count. BBM, so now Tray was standing when he was shot.

Oh man, wish I'd have read this before I posted my last message! :blushing: I could've just said, "Yeah, what Rotterdam said!"

 

[Donjeta]

I getcha now. Nancy interupts some much it is hard to tell what anybody is trying to say (running downstairs to the gripe about Nancy thread before I get spanked. )

Sorry
:truce:

It's not Nancy on that show though, it's from JVM.

 

[annalia]

No, but their actions point to that direction. And they just piggybacked on GZ previous phone call with his unsubstantiated accusations :moo::moo:

And when you have the chief of police, Bill Lee, come out and make inexcusable comments such as, ( paraphrasing) GZ didn't deserve to be jumped just for asking a question, and, Trayon too would have done things differently that night, it's not a big leap to see what they thought.

And this was supposed to be early on while they were still investigating? The case according to some hadn't been closed?

Yeah, I don't think they needed to use the actual word to get their point across. I think there was a very good reason why Lee stepped down.

JMHO

 

[gxm]

And I just wonder if Trayvon got up after the short struggle and GZ shot him while GZ was still lying down and out of anger.

I agree. If TM had stood up and stepped back there was no reason to shoot him. The "fight" was over.

ETA: That's why I want to know the bullet trajectory. I'm guessing it will show that GZ was on the ground and TM was standing. Pure speculation.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[octobermoon]

It's not Nancy on that show though, it's from JVM.

:blushing: Well dang it, at least it wasn't Piers Morgan. I watch too much cable tv. :blushing:

Thanks Donjeta

I don't want to confuse anyone one.

 

[badme102]

Wonder if george's side just got the autopsy & it says Trayvon was standing, so now George's story is being 'adjusted' again to match facts? lol. I don't suppose we'll be lucky enough to have the autopsy released tomorrow at the bond hearing, I think it's the smoking gun against George... imo it'll show Trayvon was standing and was shot from a distance, that he wasn't attacking George. jmo

:moo:

Yup, just what I was thinking.
How could GZ "lunge" at Trayvon after he shot him if Trayvon was supposedly on top of him (on the ground)--smashing his head in the pavement....errrr..covering his mouth and nose with his entire weight..errrr...what's the other story?

Think about this one:
Looking at Papa's pictures of the 2 men with 1 on top of the other, it got me thinking.
How is it possible to not only hold someone down (pin them), smash their head on the pavement and cover their mouth and nose with all their weight simultaneously?
Was Trayvon Martin an octopus? How many arms and hands did this kid have? GMAB.

 

[Phoenixfla]

Parents lie every day for their children... some do it a lot more than others. Sometimes to the point where it is criminal.

Thats right, they do. They also lie about things like school suspensions.

 

[uvamerica]

bob kealing ‏ @bobkealing

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#Zimmerman attorney is confident tomorrow his client will get bond and release. Has "three or four" safe places to house him. #TrayvonMartin

 

[belle3]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/trayvo...uest-for-private-meeting-with-accused/1225872

Trayvon Martin's parents reject request for private meeting with accused killer

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I would take it one step further and say nearly EVERYTHING reported in the media attributed to GZ is just heresay.

Everything is hearsay until it is testified to in court.

 

[Adrienne37]

A little bit about a hollow-point bullet -

A hollow point is a bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip, often intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target. It is also used for controlled penetration, where over-penetration could cause collateral damage (such as on an aircraft). In target shooting, they are used for greater accuracy and reduction of smoke, fouling, and lead vapour exposure, as hollow point bullets have an enclosed base while traditional bullets have an exposed lead base. In essence, the hollow point bullet has several purposes: hollow points designed to expand increase in size once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of its kinetic energy to that target (some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet

After reading this, why in the world would Zimmerman need bullets like this for his gun? Why isn't this type of bullet illegal? This makes it even more sickening to me and Zimmerman can say all he wants to that he didn't think Trayvon was seriously injured but he knew full well what that bullet was capable of.

and to think there are people out there supporting this man and defending his actions. Sickening.

~jmo~

 

[Emeralgem]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/trayvo...uest-for-private-meeting-with-accused/1225872

Trayvon Martin's parents reject request for private meeting with accused killer

Hallelujah!!!

 

[Donjeta]

So that's why he didn't start CPR. Because he didn't think TM was seriously injured.

 

[uvamerica]

O'Mara said a reasonable bond based on Zimmerman's finances would be in the $10,000 to $15,000 range.


"He's entitled to conditions of release and I would think somewhere in the neighborhood of $50,000 would be reasonable and up to $200,000," said Eaton.



Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30924042/detail.html#ixzz1sWSjZCYl

 

[Adrienne37]

I would take it one step further and say nearly EVERYTHING reported in the media attributed to GZ is just heresay.

Not when his minions are out there saying specifically that Zimmerman is telling them this and Zimmerman is telling them that. Just wait until they are subpoenaed as witnesses and have to get on the stand and be subjected to Angela Corey's questioning. That'd be worth watching on pay-per-view.

If you have any doubt about this whatsoever, I'll refer you back to thread #25, post #661. It's all laid out there in black and white.



~jmo~

 

[csziggy]

Since, UANAL, do you have a link where you got that information?

Since I stated that IMO = IN MY OPINION, JMO = JUST MY OPINION there is no link. That is why I appended those qualifiers to my message - it is my opinion and I have no facts to verify the information.

But ALSO IN MY OPINION this law will be tested for it's constitutionality. If that is done as part of this case, then the law will not apply to this case if it is found unconstitutional. If it is done separately, then the SYG will still apply as far as I understand the way the process works. But as I am not a lawyer, I could have the process wrong.

 

[belle3]

bob kealing ‏ @bobkealing

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#Zimmerman attorney is confident tomorrow his client will get bond and release. Has "three or four" safe places to house him. #TrayvonMartin

i just cant wrap my head around what this case is becoming. Its like the freakiest deja vu ever.

 

[Sensei]

IMO, the biggest plausibility problem with scenarios that involve the confrontation starting after the gun was pulled out is the witness who says the guy in red was on the ground. I just don't see how GZ ended up on the ground if the gun was already out.

To my mind, GZ reaching for his phone, TM thinking he's going for the gun decks him, GZ ends up on the ground, this scenario is believable. Whereas GZ has gun drawn, TM decks him, is highly doubtful.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

There are so many plausibility problems that I just can't fathom,

How did Trayvon end up with his arms under him and his body positioned in a way that would not indicate that he was anywhere near hitting GZ's head on the concrete which was down near his feet?

What exactly was GZ doing after the dispatch told him it was not necessary to follow anyone? If he had gone immediatly back to his truck, none of it would have happened. I don't believe the going for an address for a minute, now if he was looking to see where Trayvon went, then that is still following him and negates the "He stopped following him stuff."

All the interviews about the horrible injuries, yet the actions of the first responders on the scene do not indicate that there were anything other than very minor injuries.

The video of him at the police station bears this out, not only how well he is able to walk with hands cuffed behind him but the pristine clean light gray shirt and jacket both of which could have just come off a hanger, with his shirt still tucked in, no blood stains, no wrinkles, no grass stains, holes, rips, tears, nothing at all to indicate a fierce struggle.

No injuries, nothing that the first responders felt needed a piece of tape or some gauze or a butterfly bandage, not one single thing that indicated that he had been treated for anything at all, not even a hangnail.

Now we have the deal about reaching for a gun and Trayvon saw it, and the lunging at him from a prone position...not credible in my opinion, particularly on top of the first renditions of the story....

I can't explain how the witnesses saw GZ or even anyone rolling on the ground, or what happened, but just none of this makes any kind of sense as far as how what little we do know could have happened. I particularly cannot imagine that anyone could shoot someone point blank in the chest and not realize that they sustained a serious injury....that dog won't hunt at all...and now it seems that they are gearing up to somehow change the story so that instead of the fatal shot being fired while they are both on the ground, it is going to be when they are both standing up....

The fact that there are reportedly photos of the injuries that GZ took himself, and that indicates that the PD did not take any, and yet no one has offered up those photos to prove that there was in fact a fierce struggle, one in which a grown and armed man would fear for his life from an unarmed teenager, and I can't wait to see what the official sworn under oath and signed and stuff version is, but as of now, they don't have a lucid coherent story about how an unarmed teenager got shot that would make it self defense IMO JMHO and stuff.