17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[LiveLaughLuv]

Has anyone looked into who has visited George? I know we would know if his lawyers visited too? Would be interesting to see how many times O'Mara has been up there to talk to George?

I also would not put O'Mara in the same sentence as JB. Now if we get rumblings about a $500,000.00 exclusive interview being shopped -- I reserve the right to change my mind.

MOO

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...day-article-1.1064429?localLinksEnabled=false

Trayvon Martin suspect George Zimmerman could go free Friday
Lawyer says he needs ‘some place safe’ to go after bond hearing

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...n-free-friday-article-1.1064429#ixzz1sWf9w1pN

I heard them kicking around some numbers could be as little as 10% of $250,000...with a house arrest...I hope not..

That he could have a good argument for not being a flight risk since he did turn himself in...LE knew he was out of state and still he came back on his own, that's one in his favor..I hope not again.:maddening:

He needs a safe house..I don't want anything to happen to him until he goes to trial..I want to see him squirm his way out...he's got some excited utterances that that he can't explain away...KWIM?

 

[LolaMoon08]

--his brother said that george's black friends had given him the nickname 'datniggy'----

--the "tb" added to the end of his myspace profile name stood for "tugboat" --(another of george's nicknames, b/c at that time he was so large.)

Interesting!

I can see it being an "innocent" nickname, but I cannot stand people who use that word! Expecially if you are not black yourself -- and I don't think black people should use it either -- I understand why they do and I get it -- but how are future black children going to be able to tell the difference between someone who uses it hatefully and someone who uses it as a "cool thing?"

MOO

 

[LynnM]

I assume you're not trying to say they are available to the public. They are not. Of course, some people need access to them for legitimate court reasons. So for, example, the judge, the juvenile probations department and law enforcement can see the records -- of course they can. It would be absurd to think otherwise. But they're not just going to show up on docket search or appear in the msm. As far as expungement goes, maybe the rules do vary from state to state, but juvenile records are not disclosable to the general public even if they are not expunged, and they are always expunged when requested.

No I wasn't saying that they were accessible to the public. I was referring to the Department of Juvenile Justice's statement that Martin had no arrest record. In my state, juvenile records are not accessible to the public. However, that is not the case in Flordia. From the pamphlet I linked to:

"As a general rule, public access to juvenile records is limited, but there are exceptions. All traffic violations by youth are public record and are treated the same as adult traffic violations. Until 1994, law enforcement agencies could only release the name of juveniles ages 16 and older who had been charged with one of a few specific crimes. In 1994, a change in laws governing the confidentiality of juvenile records eliminated the age restriction and expanded what juvenile records could be disclosed. The law now allows law enforcement agencies to disclose to the public the name, photograph, address, and the arrest report of any child arrested for a felony. This same information may be disclosed if a child has been found by a court to have
committed three or more misdemeanors. This information may also be disclosed for youth who are transferred to the adult system. Criminal justice agencies may have access to all FDLE juvenile criminal records for criminal justice purposes. The general public may be provided access to criminal justice histories by FDLE for a fee, which can include any juvenile
arrests that FDLE is authorized under statute to provide."

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Ive seen afew comments on Trayvon's parents (Mom) refusing to meet with George. I do think it would be unwise and so easily misconstrued on so many levels,,Its Wise to defer for now. Martins want to get answers to things in a court trial at this point...

Having said that tho..Once the trial is over and decisions are made on accountability of this shooter of their son..i would not put it past them to meet george. They are walking talking examples of spiritual human beings and I could see them meet with their sons killer :heartluv: These people hold no malice in their hearts and I so admire their grace and dignity :bow:

ITA, LyndyLoo...never a good idea...

They truly are good people, articulate, God fearing...Sybrina said her faith doesnt' allow her to 'hate' GZ...she dislikes him for murdering her son, but she doesnt hate him...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I heard them kicking around some numbers could be as little as 10% of $250,000...with a house arrest...I hope not..

That he could have a good argument for not being a flight risk since he did turn himself in...LE knew he was out of state and still he came back on his own, that's one in his favor..I hope not again.:maddening:

He needs a safe house..I don't want anything to happen to him until he goes to trial..I want to see him squirm his way out...he's got some excited utterances that that he can't explain away...KWIM?

BBM. I am not sure on that and we should know the story tomorrow. I think he just came back to talk to them and did not know they were going to arrest him.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I heard them kicking around some numbers could be as little as 10% of $250,000...with a house arrest...I hope not..

That he could have a good argument for not being a flight risk since he did turn himself in...LE knew he was out of state and still he came back on his own, that's one in his favor..I hope not again.:maddening:

He needs a safe house..I don't want anything to happen to him until he goes to trial..I want to see him squirm his way out...he's got some excited utterances that that he can't explain away...KWIM?

I thought GZ didn't even know he was going to be arrested when he went to meet with LE?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

BBM. I am not sure on that and we should know the story tomorrow. I think he just came back to talk to them and did not know they were going to arrest him.

Of course they didn't tell him about and arrest till he got there. But he knew there was a possibility and went in on his own valition..it goes to his favor as his attorney will point out..Don't think the DA would go for it but who knows?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I thought GZ didn't even know he was going to be arrested when he went to meet with LE?

:giggle: I think your and Dr. Fessel posted at the same time...what you say is true but he knew of a possibility..damn he was calling enough to find out..he left a voice msg for Acorey who forwarded it to De La Rionda..

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Of course they didn't tell him about and arrest till he got there. But he knew there was a possibility and went in on his own valition..it goes to his favor as his attorney will point out..Don't think the DA would go for it but who knows?

I was just misled a little by your statement that he turned himself in.

 

[LolaMoon08]

IMO, His bond should not be anything less than $500,000.00. I knew someone who couldn't even get bond because they drove on a suspended license. 2nd degree murder, although I know legally he can be granted bond, should not be a low bond! It's still murder!

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

I was just misled a little by your statement that he turned himself in.

That is what Angela Corey said...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

:giggle: I think your and Dr. Fessel posted at the same time...what you say is true but he knew of a possibility..damn he was calling enough to find out..he left a voice msg for Acorey who forwarded it to De La Rionda..

He might have been calling to find out the status of the case but I thought it was more likely he wanted to talk to them to explain something. Even his lawyers said they had been trying to arrange a meeting between Cory and Zimmerman.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think I am going to throw a party for my 6,000th post and I'm inviting all of you to join!! Beers on me!!


ETA: I was only trying to make a point with this post. I am no where near 6,000 posts yet! :floorlaugh:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

That is what Angela Corey said...

Then if you take that at face value he had to know he was being arrested before he came in.

 

[lauriej]

--an earlier version of the party george threw for himself last december..

--both the nytimes and 'thedailybeast' articles end the same---w/ george allegedly aspiring to be "Judge George".


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...s-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Still, Mr. Zimmerman seemed to have a protective streak — a sense of right and wrong — that others admired. For example, Stephanie, a neighbor of the elder Zimmermans in Lake Mary and a family friend...

Stephanie also recalled a party in early December to celebrate Mr. Zimmerman’s graduation from Seminole State College (though he still needed a few more credits to receive his associate’s degree). He shared his hope to be a judge someday with a small gathering that included two black teenagers whom, she was later told by Mrs. Zimmerman, George was mentoring.

 

[Nova]

For one thing, it makes no sense for PD to lie about whether he was arrested or not, especially when the lack of an arrest is a primary point that galvanized the movement that his parents spearheaded to push for an arrest.

But let me put it another way: Martin's parents have called repeatedly for an arrest. Zimmerman's family has not at all argued against the fact that he was not arrested that night, nor have his lawyers. Apparently the Sanford PD, the Mayor, both of the families involved, and every MSM outlet (and non-MSM as well) and all the experts at their disposal are in agreement that this man was not arrested on the night of the crime. So why is this even an argument?

I think the answer is that different parties are using slightly different meanings of the word "arrest". The SPD seems to use the word to mean "taken into custody and charged."

gitana1 was referring to a constitutional concept of "arrest" that includes almost any sort of involuntary detention, whether or not the word "arrest' is mentioned or whether the suspect is eventually charged.

Whether these distinctions will matter legally remains to be seen. I think (IANAL) it will depend on whether GZ wants to stick with whatever he told the SPD that night or whether he wants those statements excluded so he can start fresh with an amended story.

 

[LolaMoon08]

--an earlier version of the party george threw for himself last december..

--both the nytimes and 'thedailybeast' articles end the same---w/ george allegedly aspiring to be "Judge George".


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...s-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Still, Mr. Zimmerman seemed to have a protective streak — a sense of right and wrong — that others admired. For example, Stephanie, a neighbor of the elder Zimmermans in Lake Mary and a family friend...

Stephanie also recalled a party in early December to celebrate Mr. Zimmerman’s graduation from Seminole State College (though he still needed a few more credits to receive his associate’s degree). He shared his hope to be a judge someday with a small gathering that included two black teenagers whom, she was later told by Mrs. Zimmerman, George was mentoring.

BBM I'm still trying to figure out who these kids are? Mentoring is a volunteer thing? You can't just randomly mentor children, can you? What organization did he mentor through?

I don't have a link, but I do remember an article that stated George even mentored these kids for free and I was like... WELL DUH!!! It's a volunteer program!

 

[LynnM]

--an earlier version of the party george threw for himself last december..

--both the nytimes and 'thedailybeast' articles end the same---w/ george allegedly aspiring to be "Judge George".


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...s-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Still, Mr. Zimmerman seemed to have a protective streak — a sense of right and wrong — that others admired. For example, Stephanie, a neighbor of the elder Zimmermans in Lake Mary and a family friend...

Stephanie also recalled a party in early December to celebrate Mr. Zimmerman’s graduation from Seminole State College (though he still needed a few more credits to receive his associate’s degree). He shared his hope to be a judge someday with a small gathering that included two black teenagers whom, she was later told by Mrs. Zimmerman, George was mentoring.

So he hasn't gotten a bachelor's degree, he hasn't gotten an associate degree and he had a party to celebrate a graduation that had not taken place? In what way did he think he had graduated from Seminole State College? If he told the party goers he graduated he lied. If he was honest about needing more credits and held a graduation party anyway, then that is just plain weird. Much like the high school graduation party that was held when Casey Anthony hadn't graduated.

 

[octobermoon]

I think I am going to throw a party for my 6,000th post and I'm inviting all of you to join!! Beers on me!!


ETA: I was only trying to make a point with this post. I am no where near 6,000 posts yet! :floorlaugh:

You got Coors for us northerners, I may be wrong but it was illegal back in the day. :what: :giggle:

 

[2goldfish]

IMO, His bond should not be anything less than $500,000.00. I knew someone who couldn't even get bond because they drove on a suspended license. 2nd degree murder, although I know legally he can be granted bond, should not be a low bond! It's still murder!

MOO

d'you think he is a danger? I think he's a one trick pony myself...he's more likely to suicide than hurt someone else IMO. he looked awfully haunted in the screenshots I saw from the hearing. course a possibility of suicide might keep him in jail instead of out while awaiting trial.