17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #28

[Dr.Fessel]

Late teens...........Kid...................Little younger then 28

Which statement does not belong with the other 2?

 

[Donjeta]

Part of the Stand Your Ground law deals with duty to retreat. Florida is vague (of course), but this will come out during the SYG hearing whether George had a duty to retreat during this encounter.

Not saying this is the right thing to do, but legally, he might have some ground here.

JMO

For myself I don't really care what the Florida law says about the duty to retreat. I am expressing my opinions as just a human being who has never set foot in Florida and IMHO there is something wrong with a person who sees a threateningly behaving person (allegedly) who might even be armed and goes out of his way to confront that person and cause a gunfight when he has perfectly good wheels under him and can drive himself to safety.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I remember you saying yesterday if there was evidence of injuries that it would take the wind out of your sails. The detective got up there today and basically testified that he had injuries, specifically to the back of the head.

Just interested in your opinion on that.

I think you got me mixed up with someone else.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I remember you saying yesterday if there was evidence of injuries that it would take the wind out of your sails. The detective got up there today and basically testified that he had injuries, specifically to the back of the head.

Just interested in your opinion on that.

And we also heard there ARE medical records to support the claim of a broken nose.
And we heard that GZ had a protective cover thingy on his nose the next day.

All of these things have been doubted.

 

[katydid23]

I definitely see why now the state has filed 2nd degree murder charges against him.


~jmo~

I don't, not now that the investigator spoke. He didn't seem that prepared and did not seem to have all of the evidence needed to back up his assertions. What was with the 'shadows' seen by an unknown witness, being evidence of any kind.

 

[LyndyLoo]

The SA said it was in Zimmerman's statement.

remember that when george made his original statements..he did not even know his victims name..nor did the police at the time. In Georges mind he had bagged a wouldbe /druggies and knew full well the victim cant contradict whatever he says. Why would he apologise or state he felt sorry for his victim's parents that night??

He pretty clearly found out the next morning after ID was made, that the victim had been ID'd by the father, and that the victim was an innocent minor who actually was living there at the Green house. WHY didnt he march right over there and apologise, and show remorse??

We know what he did do however..Packed up and fled, left his job and went into hiding:banghead: February 27th, less than 24 hours after he shot this minor :maddening:

 

[elementary]

Anyone who goes into a courtroom should know full well that in a court of law both sides are heard. I'm seriously stunned that it would be even remotely suggested that the defendant should be silenced because what he has to say might be upsetting. This is America. This is justice. The defendant is allowed to be heard. I can't imagine wanting our justice system to work any differently.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

This is liberty. This has nothing to do with justice.

 

[Donjeta]

They can't prevent him from talking, apology or otherwise. Just because they don't want to hear it doesn't mean they can control what he says and doesn't say. If he throws himself at their feet crying for forgiveness, they can't prevent that either.

I hope the deputies would prevent it at court.

When he's out on bond he would break his conditions and risk having his butt back in jail if he made any contact with the Martins.

 

[cityslick]

Looks faked to me.

I guess if you are bleeding in slow-mo and turning your head to the side and then the other, again in slow-mo so it runs just right.

But that is just my opinion. :what:

Why is the testimony of the detective saying his injuries were consistent with GZ's head hitting a hard object being ignored. He confirmed he had lacerations on there, 2 in fact.

Is it now that the detective and the police report (bleeding in back of the head) are both lying?

 

[octobermoon]

What? I wasn't blaming an unarmed kid for anything.
I don't believe the story that he was circling the vehicle three times.

Oh gosh, I was agreeing with you. I wasn't clear in my post.

 

[tpgks]

Someone just said this on TV. Also, they said it's not consistent with having your head beaten on concrete. They said it looked like Trayvon was defending himself, and we will have to wait for the DNA results. I believe the timing of when DNA should have been back, and the filing of 2nd degree murder, were about the same. :waitasec:

From a VERY laypersons perspective, the very straight line of the cut on the back of the head could have come from the straight edge of the concrete. With the top of his head on the concrete portion, and below that line would have been in the grass explaining the other cuts from the repeated "bashing" of his head against the edge of the sidewalk....JMO

 

[badme102]

Injuries to GZ or not, it doesn't matter. It also doesn't prove who the aggressor was in this situation. I really wish people would try to understand that. Debating the authenticity of any photos right now is pointless, in my opinion.

GZ was the aggressor. Trayvon was defending himself (standing HIS ground)and he had every right to do that. If my attacker was injured in my attempt to defend my life, so what?!?!

IMO

 

[annalia]

Anyone who goes into a courtroom should know full well that in a court of law both sides are heard. I'm seriously stunned that it would be even remotely suggested that the defendant should be silenced because what he has to say might be upsetting. This is America. This is justice. The defendant is allowed to be heard. I can't imagine wanting our justice system to work any differently.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Wow, just wow, I'm sorry but you're going to need to point out where anyone even remotely suggested that the defendant should be silenced because what they say might be upsetting. Or that the justice sysetm should work any other way.

Please don't misconstrue what I posted as I never even remotely implied any of that.

I said that to say that the family could have just left if they didn't want to hear it is absurd, there was no time for them to leave as they didn't know what he was going to say. And to say that if a victim's family doesn't want to be upset they could just stay away is absurd as well, that's saying that the victim's family never has a right to be upset over things said in the courtroom.

We can all probably link to thousands of posts right here at ws, on the various threads and cases, where posters have been upset by what suspects say at trial, seems the rules apparently are different for this suspect, we should all just ignore whatever he says, and just cheer for his right to say it.

Moving on now.

JMHO

 

[redkatrampant]

OT
IMVHO, I love all of you. Whether we agree or not.:blushing:

 

[cityslick]

I think you got me mixed up with someone else.

My fault, I think it was Concerned P.

 

[MsCharlieChan]

Anyone who goes into a courtroom should know full well that in a court of law both sides are heard. I'm seriously stunned that it would be even remotely suggested that the defendant should be silenced because what he has to say might be upsetting. This is America. This is justice. The defendant is allowed to be heard. I can't imagine wanting our justice system to work any differently. JMO, OMO, and :moo:

I generally agree with you, except:

1. Courts usually are VERY strict about witnesses only addressing the judge or jury. Courts take this so seriously, I think a judge can cite contempt (disrespect) for talking to others, regardless of what's being said.

2. There's been such a very long time before today that GZ could have issued some kind of apology. The family probably waited and waited, but not a peep from GZ. At some point, you get angry because you feel someone has hurt your baby, and doesn't give a :banghead:

Example: I was hit by a car once, pretty much a hit and run. Driver hopped out of the car for 5 seconds, like to see if I was breathing or not on the ground. He saw that strangers were tending to me and that I was breathing -- so he jumped in his car and sped away. (Someone took down his license plate # for me.)

It hurt my heart though. Really hurt... To this man, I seemed no more important than a dog he'd run over. My life just didn't seem to matter. Cold and hard to believe another human being would dismiss me in this way.

I'm sure TM's parents are feeling this horrible feeling, but multiplied times 1,000.


So it was weird that GZ was allowed to address anyone other than the judge / attorneys. And the timing of when he chose to speak up -- for sympathy from the judge and public -- is suspect.

 

[LynnM]

You would think he would have said he keeps walking around my truck. IMO

There wasn't enough time for Trayvon to run around the truck three times from the time that GZ says he's coming over to check him out and then that he's moving on. That's just silly for him to make that claim.

 

[oh_gal]

Why is the testimony of the detective saying his injuries were consistent with GZ's head hitting a hard object being ignored. He confirmed he had lacerations on there, 2 in fact.

Is it now that the detective and the police report (bleeding in back of the head) are both lying?

Because it makes it easier to think of TM as the innocent victim, incapable of any ounce of wrongdoing, and GZ as the murderer, who acted without provocation.

 

[tpgks]

For myself I don't really care what the Florida law says about the duty to retreat. I am expressing my opinions as just a human being who has never set foot in Florida and IMHO there is something wrong with a person who sees a threateningly behaving person (allegedly) who might even be armed and goes out of his way to confront that person and cause a gunfight when he has perfectly good wheels under him and can drive himself to safety.

So you are willing to disregard the law, as long as it gets somebody (potentially) wrongfully convicted? That is deep.

JMO

 

[gxm]

I totally agree with you.
He had every right, as an American to be heard.

The judge allowed it.

They parents have to know that during these hearings and the trial if it happens, there will be information that will be upsetting.

I'm getting the impression that some may be unfamiliar with the phrase: Having your day in court. Well, today was quite literally GZ's day in court.