17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #28

[mercuriod]

It can be doctored yes but can the metadata be changed on an iphone pic?

Yes it can here is a free app that will do it for you

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/29892/photo-time-edit

 

[katydid23]

So within 3 minutes of killing an unarmed teenager, instead of thinking "OMG I just KILLED someone!"....he is already thinking clearly enough to worry about covering his arse? Well, I do think he is cold blooded, you may be right.

I think he was absolutely worried. But do we know it was GZ who asked anyone to take that photo? he might not have even known it was being taken.

 

[m00c0w]

I see what looks like GZ using a cell phone, and on the right of that, it looks like grey clothing and a hand. Like TM laying right below GZ's feet face down, with someone snapping a pic of GZ's head obviously. jmo

That's his arm holding his cellphone. The sleeves are the dark gray/black.

 

[daisy7]

But according to the attorneys on HLN today, the state has now admitted they have NO EVIDENCE that GZ was the one who attacked first. That is a big problem, imo.

The state didn't call any witnesses, so I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion?

 

[katydid23]

If that is the case, then it begs the question how this "witness" saw powder burns on TM, when TM was found on his back, yet shot in the chest. :waitasec:

Imo, because this witness has no idea if what he saw was actually 'powder burns.' It could have been lots of things.

 

[HiHater]

BBM

I totally agree. That was huge, imo. And people here are playing it down, and focusing on the apology. which is meaningless overall.

I am one of those people "playing it down."

Circumstantial evidence is very powerful. So while there may not be any direct evidence, the 911 call itself provides a solid avenue to explore whether or not he continued to follow.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think he was absolutely worried. But do we know it was GZ who asked anyone to take that photo? he might not have even known it was being taken.

I agree. We don't know.

 

[csziggy]

It also appears in the pic that GZ is talking on a cell phone, you can see the top of the phone at his ear, and his arm is in this position, how can this be unless someone was there before LE ?
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

But if someone was there before LE, then the timeline is really messed up.

911 shot with the gunshot on it began at 7:16:11 according to one of the timelines linked in a previous thread.
Shot fired at 44 seconds into the call or at 7:16:55
Officer Timothy Smith said he arrived at 7:17 according to the initial report.
Officer Ayalla arrived at 7:19 according to the initial report.

But the claim by ABC News in that story is that this photo was taken 3 minutes after the shooting? That would have been about 7:20 AFTER the arrivals of Smith and Ayalla.

Smith claimed he immediately placed GZ in custody.
Ayalla said when arrived GZ already in custody.

Photo shows GZ not cuffed, holding a cell phone to his ear?

Somebody is lying about the times! :maddening::banghead:

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[mercuriod]

He can. But I don't have a link to back that up,:blushing:

That's OK I'll give several links for you (hint, hint a SIMPLE google search will show you how to make the changes step-by-step) :wink:

http://www.addictivetips.com/window...ove-exif-metadata-of-photos-using-pixelgarde/

http://www.steves-digicams.com/know...ation/iphone-camera-apps-photo-locations.html

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/29892/photo-time-edit

 

[dsntslp]

If that is the case, then it begs the question how this "witness" saw powder burns on TM, when TM was found on his back, yet shot in the chest. :waitasec:

I'm thinking the witness saw it when TM was rolled over to begin CPR?

Also, just under the letter "S" in the word "exclusive" it appears to be GZ left jacket cuff area. This leads me to believe he was in fact cuffed as it does not take two hands to hold a cell phone. JMO

Look at the right cuff and how it has a darker (black?) cuff/trim area. The same pattern is repeated on the left under the "S" in "exclusive". IMO

 

[katydid23]

The state didn't call any witnesses, so I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion?

The investigator said this while on the stand.

 

[cityslick]

That is what I thought??? But the new pic doesn't show any smearing. It looks too clean (can't find a better word) If this pic was taken before GZ was treated by EMS, Okay, but if they let him leave without so much as a bandage 30 so minutes later. And we have all watched the video where no gloves are needed?

Oh heck I dunno anymore. I just don't know. It looks hinky.

I think as far as him bleeding, we clearly see the officer not using gloves when handling him in the station. So, it's either one of two ways:

1 - He really was bleeding, in which case the officer is very much wrong for not wearing gloves.

2 - He really wasn't bleeding, in which case the police report is fabricated.

Either way, it looks bad on SPD.

 

[francie]

JMO/IMO
Maybe it's just my OJT time as a mother, but those marks don't look like scrapes from cement at all. Cement scrapes (even small ones) are wider and not precise like those little scrapes.

Now, could those marks be from a dying murder victim's fingernails?

Or from a sprinkler, if George slipped backwards on wet grass & hit his head?

 

[cityslick]

So within 3 minutes of killing an unarmed teenager, instead of thinking "OMG I just KILLED someone!"....he is already thinking clearly enough to worry about covering his arse? Well, I do think he is cold blooded, you may be right.

He told the officer as soon as he got there that he shot TM.

According to this new article, he told this 'person' to call his wife that he just shot someone.

All of this happened within a few minutes. I haven't seen any evidence of GZ shying away or not owning up to shooting him.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But if someone was there before LE, then the timeline is really messed up.

911 shot with the gunshot on it began at 7:16:11 according to one of the timelines linked in a previous thread.
Shot fired at 44 seconds into the call or at 7:16:55
Officer Timothy Smith said he arrived at 7:17 according to the initial report.
Officer Ayalla arrived at 7:19 according to the initial report.

But the claim by ABC News in that story is that this photo was taken 3 minutes after the shooting? That would have been about 7:20 AFTER the arrivals of Smith and Ayalla.

Smith claimed he immediately placed GZ in custody.
Ayalla said when arrived GZ already in custody.

Photo shows GZ not cuffed, holding a cell phone to his ear?

Somebody is lying about the times! :maddening::banghead:

IMO, JMO, etc.

How do we know he's not cuffed?
He could have been cuffed in the front and holding his left arm up so that he could use his right arm to hold the phone to his ear.

I don't understand how we can know he's not cuffed.

 

[katydid23]

I am one of those people "playing it down."

Circumstantial evidence is very powerful. So while there may not be any direct evidence, the 911 call itself provides a solid avenue to explore whether or not he continued to follow.

Of course, circumstantial can be powerful. But it also expects jurors to follow the dots and make assumptions. And when someone is on trial for LIFE in prison, they don't always like to make those assumptions.

Imo, the state should have gone with manslaughter.

 

[HiHater]

Imo, because this witness has no idea if what he saw was actually 'powder burns.' It could have been lots of things.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...artins-parents/story?id=16177849#.T5Go16uJdLc

The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

Emphasis mine.

Why would we say the witness has "no idea" when the witness CLEARLY states what he/she saw?

 

[SillyNilly]

All I can say is george should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasnt the one having his injuries documented by a coroner on that cold slab after making such a huge out of anger decision to follow an innocent minor who was walking home :banghead:

He sure seemed to be on the prowl most of the time. :banghead:

 

[LolaMoon08]

It only takes common sense to figure out that George never stopped following Trayvon. How else did he end up right behind him again to where Trayvon asked him "Why are you following me?"

Now we're hearing he told LE that Trayvon circled his truck three times and there is no mention of that on the call to LE?? He was telling stories from the very beginning. He didn't know that call was recorded, IMO, and he decided to make it look better for him. That shows a guilty conscious and one who is trying to distance themselves from any kind accountability for his actions.

If he didn't do anything wrong, he wouldn't lie.

MOO

 

[HiHater]

Of course, circumstantial can be powerful. But it also expects jurors to follow the dots and make assumptions. And when someone is on trial for LIFE in prison, they don't always like to make those assumptions.

Imo, the state should have gone with manslaughter.

I'm sure there will be lesser included offenses. Evidence is evidence, and in this case following the dots doesn't require much.

IMO