17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[Dr.Fessel]

Does it really matter if he "beat" or "hit" his head on the ground? How injured does one need to be to defend themselves? JMO

It was not on the ground, it was on the concrete over and over according to his statement.

 

[Adrienne37]

I believe it had been raining. He could have just slipped in the mud, fallen and hit his head.

I also wonder if Trayvon might have grabbed George's head to push him away at some point if George tried to tackle him? We'll never know because all the forensic evidence was washed from George's skull, although it would be quite interesting if Trayvon had some skin with DNA under his fingernails. However, I'm not holding my breath about whether they actually checked Trayvon's fingernails because that would actually make sense!

If the defense had evidence that Trayvon had grabbed the back of George's head it would really work more for them, because they could make it part of the "attack" story, instead of possibly Trayvon defending himself. So lack of evidence could hurt both sides.

My greatest fear about the early investigation by the SPD is that there was no investigation. I have a stinking feeling that nothing was preserved. If someone was able to capture this photo of Zimmerman's head, that would indicate to me that the crime scene was not secured and Taaffe states that he knows the neighbor who took the photo. Thanks to JoyPath's greats posts, it would seem that the medical examiner has very strict protocols to follow but I have to wonder if Trayvon's hands were bagged at the scene, was his feet bagged at the scene. So many questions and I will be glad when we have answers.




~jmo~

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

NBC News reporting that GZ will not likely leave jail this weekend as his family does not have the funds to post bond.

 

[Adrienne37]

NBC News reporting that GZ will not likely leave jail this weekend as his family does not have the funds to post bond.

Good, maybe his website isn't producing the necessary donations right now. Maybe the family can't come up with the necessary funds?



~jmo~

 

[PaintingAnemone]

being a photog with some :blushing: photoshop experience, what I think when I see that image is that perhaps GZ often wears a baseball cap and is not as tanned in that area....the camera with flash, in order to expose the rest of the photo (usually a center weighted average...was it a phone camera?) would overexpose a lighter area (and the fact that it does look like a straight line leads me to think it's GZ's tan lines from a hat)

I would agree with that if the line were further down, but it's nearly at the crown of his head. The line of a baseball cap would be more in line with an area just slightly below the tops of his ears.

Also, notice how none of the other area around it is lighter? It's very specific to the crown of his head. Also, overexposure is gradual (it wouldn't just cut right into it). Notice how distinct the line is? On one side there's blood and hair, and suddenly nothing. I could see if it faded to nothing. But it doesn't fade.

 

[Desdemona]

LOL, I'm not a betting person, so I don't make bets unless I'm reasonably (read: extremely) sure I'm not going to lose my money. I won't even play the slots when we go to Vegas

But do you have a more plausible explanation for the straight, almost squared off white section on his head? Flash glare wouldn't be that abrupt or symmetrical. It doesn't even fade, it just cuts off mid blood-flow. And you can tell from the blood pattern that the wound should actually be much higher up on his head, not right at the edge of the line.

<BBM>

I didn't reply to that portion of your previous post, because you described the photo quite differently than I see it. To answer your question, it is my belief that the straight line area you describe in the photo does not require any explanation in order prove that the photo has not been altered. I believe it is legit and I don't see anything suspicious about the image. JMO

 

[PaintingAnemone]

being a photog with some :blushing: photoshop experience, what I think when I see that image is that perhaps GZ often wears a baseball cap and is not as tanned in that area....the camera with flash, in order to expose the rest of the photo (usually a center weighted average...was it a phone camera?) would overexpose a lighter area (and the fact that it does look like a straight line leads me to think it's GZ's tan lines from a hat)

In fact, check this out: do you see those little areas in between the blood where his scalp is showing through and it's light and overexposed? That's what his whole head should look like. But instead what we have is this huge chunk missing. I have to say, it not only doesn't strike me as credible for ABC to claim this hasn't been edited (although I'm not even sure they ever made that claim to begin with), I think it may come back to bite them in the you know what.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

<BBM>

I didn't reply to that portion of your previous post, because you described the photo quite differently than I see it. To answer your question, it is my belief that the straight line area you describe in the photo does not require any explanation in order prove that the photo has not been altered. I believe it is legit and I don't see anything suspicious about the image. JMO

So you see this as a completely legitimate and unedited photo, and personally feel that it's fully representative of Zimmerman's injuries on the night in question despite its obvious flaws, contentious origin, and nonexistent credentials?

 

[Reader]

I'd say when a lead investigator potentially perjures himself in an affidavit or on the stand, that's a big deal.

The one that stuck out the most was that he said he never personally reviewed the testimony given by the girlfriend, but swore to a good part of a paragraph that revolves around this testimony.

According to the affidavit, Gilbreath has 36 years of LE experience, including 24 years of homicide investigations.

I highly doubt that he would committ perjury, even potentially, which is defined as "wilfully gives false evidence" in any court proceeding about one of his cases.

The affidavit also states:

"Your Affiants, along with other law enforcement officials have taken sworn
statements from witnesses, spoken with law enforcement officers who have provided sworn testimony in reports, reviewed other reports, recorded statements, records, recorded calls to police, photographs, videos, and other documents in detailing the following....."

IOW, there are many ways that the lead investigator (supervisor) in a case receives information and testimony without having to personally take a statement or even read the statement himself.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda dismissed any notion that the investigator's testimony chipped away at their case.

"You have not heard all of the evidence," de la Rionda said after the hearing. "Please be patient and wait for the trial."

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1018&page=2

 

[Adrienne37]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. Why are these injuries now different? On the April 2nd photo, the injury is vertical yet on the photo from yesterday, the injury is now horizontal. Remember, we also have Zimmerman Sr. stating yesterday under oath that Zimmerman had 2 vertical injuries on his head.

New photo from yesterday courtesy of ABC....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/20/article-0-12B04BB7000005DC-56_634x403.jpg

Enhanced photo from ABC News on April 02, 2012...

http://kunc.org/post/abc-news-enhanced-video-shows-injury-zimmermans-head


~jmo~

 

[CathyinTexas]

Are school records even allowed to be admitted into evidence? I can understand juvenile records or even if he was violent towards an adult in the school -- but a bag of weed? With no weed in it?? The whole screwdriver thing -- a lot of people made it sound normal to have flashlights, screwdrivers, etc... on you even if you are just going to Target??

I didn't hear about the screwdriver. Did GZ have a screwdriver on his person that night?

 

[m00c0w]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. Why are these injuries now different? On the April 2nd photo, the injury is vertical yet on the photo from yesterday, the injury is now horizontal. Remember, we also have Zimmerman Sr. stating yesterday under oath that Zimmerman had 2 vertical injuries on his head.

New photo from yesterday courtesy of ABC....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/20/article-0-12B04BB7000005DC-56_634x403.jpg

Enhanced photo from ABC News on April 02, 2012...

http://kunc.org/post/abc-news-enhanced-video-shows-injury-zimmermans-head


~jmo~

They're not. You can see the contusion starting to form on the right side of his head in the initial picture. The swelling has increased in the video at the station.

 

[Yoda]

I would agree with that if the line were further down, but it's nearly at the crown of his head. The line of a baseball cap would be more in line with an area just slightly below the tops of his ears.

Also, notice how none of the other area around it is lighter? It's very specific to the crown of his head. Also, overexposure is gradual (it wouldn't just cut right into it). Notice how distinct the line is? On one side there's blood and hair, and suddenly nothing. I could see if it faded to nothing. But it doesn't fade.

Jumping in late so might have been covered, but is that a gauze pad on top of his head? I can see an outline where the blood is but also the sides higher up. Moo

 

[Adrienne37]

They're not. You can see the contusion starting to form on the right side of his head in the initial picture. The swelling has increased in the video at the station.

I'm sorry but there is no swelling on any part of his head in the video at the police station.


~jmo~

 

[Boytwnmom]

if it changes without adequate explanation, i.e. after discovered evidence, evidence that test results hadn't been obtained for, it would be potentially perjury to have the testimony change and would certainly impact credibility. They key aspect is not what part of the proceeding is occurring but the fact that the witness is under oath. A deposition is not a court proceeding while a hearing is but both consist of testimony under oath.

That said, I don't know the scope of testimony that would typically occur at a bail hearing or how the particular questions here were phrased or answers limited in response. I hardly think anyone wants to give much away at this stage of the proceeding.

Considering the fact that most of them are either lawyers or are in law, I think I'm going to think they know a little about he subject.

RH could probably answer it as well.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Good, maybe his website isn't producing the necessary donations right now. Maybe the family can't come up with the necessary funds?

~jmo~

I'm kinda surprised that the man in the cowboy hat hasn't stepped in to help

 

[m00c0w]

According to the affidavit, Gilbreath has 36 years of LE experience, including 24 years of homicide investigations.

I highly doubt that he would committ perjury, even potentially, which is defined as "wilfully gives false evidence" in any court proceeding about one of his cases.

The affidavit also states:

"Your Affiants, along with other law enforcement officials have taken sworn
statements from witnesses, spoken with law enforcement officers who have provided sworn testimony in reports, reviewed other reports, recorded statements, records, recorded calls to police, photographs, videos, and other documents in detailing the following....."

IOW, there are many ways that the lead investigator (supervisor) in a case receives information and testimony without having to personally take a statement or even read the statement himself.



http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1018&page=2

I, personally, would never submit sworn testimony without verifying the truthfulness and accuracy of everything that as in it. That may just be me, though.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

It was not on the ground, it was on the concrete over and over according to his statement.

Ground....concrete...whatever. Sorry I used the wrong word.

 

[m00c0w]

I'm sorry but there is no swelling on any part of his head in the video at the police station.


~jmo~

It looks like two big contusions that are almost in the shape of a right angle to me.

 

[Yoda]

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=9d34a99a7c85ac692ac07d300d4863f77d449f2d.36294