17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[belle3]

http://cfnews13.com/content/news/cf...icles/cfn/2012/4/23/sanford_police_chief.html
Closest thing i could find. sorry guys

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My point is that you get a two year degree and then go on to continue your education elsewhere. I attended a community college, as did both of my sons. Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe it's different here.
Many of our teachers, for example, graduate from CC and they are highly qualified.

It's just cheaper.

 

[jaded cat]

Because they want his public image to be in prison garb.
They want photos of him in his prison clothes to be widely circulated just as those from his first appearance were.
Prison clothes make people think "criminal" "guilty" "murderer" even though at this time, GZ is presumed innocent.

JMO

If that's the case, then every person appearing at a hearing should not be forced to wear prison garb. If the clothing is responsible for the judgement, then every accused person is entitled to the same treatment.

:jail:

 

[Concerned Papa]

If he had already earned his degree, then why would he have to be expelled?

they do not say that he was taking classes towards any other degree, If he already has an AA then he should have been enrolled in a school that would allow him to earn a BS. It sounds as if he had not yet earned the AA that he was after to me IMO JMHO and stuff.

I agree.

 

[HiHater]

I personally know some defense attorneys- they will not ask their client if they are telling the truth so that they can better defend them. They do not want to know.

That's weird, I've always heard the opposite. It seems like your lawyer would need to know the full story to prepare for what the prosecution has up its sleeve.

I also thought that was why attorney-client privilege existed, so that people could be open/honest...

JMO though...interesting stuff!

 

[BiancaS]

This article that I found talks about his ups and downs with school and jobs. Very informative. Start about halfway down, the beginning is just the usual stuff.

http://www.ctnow.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-20120323,0,3451679.story

In high school, Zimmerman was the victim of a minor criminal assault, Manassas police Sgt. Eddie Rivera told the newspaper. No other details were available.

In 2003, he enrolled in Seminole State College, working toward a vocational certificate to become an insurance agent.

But things soured.

Charged with resisting arrest without violence, he avoided conviction by entering a pretrial-diversion program, something common for first-time offenders.

A month later, an ex-fiancée filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, citing domestic violence.

Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, in late 2007.

The next year, he resurfaced in court documents as a credit-card company pursued him. Capital One accused Zimmerman of failing to pay more than $1,000. He settled with the company for $2,135.82, records show, to cover his debts with interest, as well as attorney and court costs.

The credit card company soon reported that Zimmerman wasn't making the agreed payments. Zimmerman's employer at the time, CarMax, agreed to garnish his wages. That arrangement was canceled in late 2008 because Zimmerman was no longer working there.

In 2008, Zimmerman attended a four-month law-enforcement program given by the sheriff’s office, Kim Cannaday, spokeswoman for the Seminole County sheriff's office, told the Sentinel. In his application for the course, Zimmerman wrote: “I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regard and I hope to one day become one.”

It's unknown what was Zimmerman’s job on Feb. 26, but what is known is that he took policing very seriously. He reenrolled in Seminole State College with the goal of becoming a cop in 2009 and was working toward an associate degree. Zimmerman last week was dropped by the school which said it acted because of safety issues for Zimmerman and other students.

 

[annalia]

wow im watching the city commissioners meeting and you should see how hard some of these commissioners going to bat for chief lee, demanding to know what he di that was so wrong. where are the aws that he has broken, where did he violate sop? You cant do this to a family man with children, you just cant. These are my opinions of what i am hearing right now. Trying to finda link, but cant find one/.

I thought he resigned?

Was it either resign now or be fired?

JMHO

 

[Aedrys]

I dont see anything above that was a crime though.

No, but it's continued escalation. That is not something that should be ignored. There is something mentally wrong with GZ that escalated to the death of an unarmed teenager. The fact that he was allowed to harrass people in that neighborhood based on his paranoid beliefs that suspicious stuff was going on is cause for concern. He's not judge, jury, and executioner of that neighborhood. Something should have been done a lot sooner to curtail his increasingly paranoia about crime in that neighborhood.

There are loads of studies about murderers, rapists, and other criminals that escalate in their crimes over time. Some started killing animals first. Some let their victims live, or the torture and abuse escalated over time before a murder was committed. GZ did not just decide one night this past March to patrol the neighborhood and stop crime. This is a pattern that escalated over time to the death of an unarmed teenager. It never should have been allowed to go that far before GZ was stopped.

 

[Donjeta]

You can't get an AA and still be in the same college pursuing a bachelors degree?

You can but then IMO it would be more likely that they would say you were working towards a bachelors degree and not towards an AA.

 

[HiHater]

Or maybe they wanted him treated just like anyone else, who would have probably had to wear an orange jumpsuit. GZ shouldn't get special treatment. And that suit and shackles did not have a positive impact on him. He looked sick.

BBM

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[grandmaj]

http://cfnews13.com/content/news/cf...icles/cfn/2012/4/23/sanford_police_chief.html
Closest thing i could find. sorry guys

How many of the Councilors Belle? Because on March 22, 3 out of 5 of the Councilors voted a motion of No Confidence.

 

[jaded cat]

From my post on the previous thread:

If GZ spotted TM where your marker is at the 'he's running' comment and TM's ultimate destination was 379 feet from that point.

Average running speed of a human is 10mph which translates to 14.6 feet per second.

379 feet divided by 14.6 = 25.95 (seconds). Round it up to 26seconds.

So, the call from GF comes about one minute later than the 'he's running' comment. Do you deny that if TM was 26 seconds from his house from the point that 'he started running', he would of reached his house if he proceeded directly to it?

Since not one single one of us knows what happened during that time period, I stand by my original post.

 

[belle3]

some commissioners also calling previous police chief a scapegoat.
Apparently everyones a victim except the victim???? HMMM?????

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Vinnie Politan covering the case now on HLN. Mark NeJame legal talking head.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If that's the case, then every person appearing at a hearing should not be forced to wear prison garb. If the clothing is responsible for the judgement, then every accused person is entitled to the same treatment.

:jail:

Perhaps their attorney should request it like MO'M did.
He requested it.
Judge allowed it.

 

[annalia]

If that's the case, then every person appearing at a hearing should not be forced to wear prison garb. If the clothing is responsible for the judgement, then every accused person is entitled to the same treatment.

:jail:

Plus wasn't it a response to the defense asking for the suit and no shackles?

So it's ok that the defense play their game well by trying to give the public a certain perception by putting him in an oversized suit, yet the state are villains for saying no. If it's been said that it's highly unusual for a defendant to wear suits to a bond hearing, it sounds like it was the defense that wanted special privileges and they got one of them, he was allowed to wear the suit.

JMHO.

 

[HiHater]

I'm sure most neighborhood watch groups have their own rules.

There may be shifts for some.

Neighborhood Watch is a national organization. I would think that any group that falls under their umbrella has the same general guidelines...

 

[LynnM]

Zimmerman, 28, first enrolled at the college in 2003 and was working toward a vocational certificate to become an insurance agent. He re-enrolled in 2009 and was working toward an Associate in Arts degree in a general studies program, according to the college.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...munity-seminole-state-college-insurance-agent

Stephanie [neighbor of Zimmerman's parents] also recalled a party in early December to celebrate Mr. Zimmerman’s graduation from Seminole State College (though he still needed a few more credits to receive his associate’s degree). He shared his hope to be a judge someday with a small gathering that included two black teenagers whom, she was later told by Mrs. Zimmerman, George was mentoring.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...rompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?pagewanted=all

 

[BiancaS]

Maybe it's different here.
Many of our teachers, for example, graduate from CC and they are highly qualified.

It's just cheaper.

In Florida, they only offer AA or AS degrees at Community Colleges.

 

[Aedrys]

Plus it was a response to the defense asking for the suit and no shackles.

So it's ok that the defense play their game well by trying to give the public a certain perception by putting him in an oversized suit, yet the state are villains for saying no. If it's been said that it's highly unusual for a defendant to wear suits to a bond hearing, it sounds like it was the defense that wanted special privileges and they got one of them, he was allowed to wear the suit.

JMHO.

I'm hoping with this judge that he just gave a little bit here but doesn't plan to be so nice later on. If he keeps getting special treatment, my opinion of this judge is going to go lower and lower...