17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

[Elley Mae]

Paypal was founded in 1998. New territory? Nah.

New in it being involved in a court case and bond. I know its been around.

 

[ThoughtFox]

My father, a defense attorney, was one of the most honest, forthright and caring men you could ever know. At his funeral the California State Attorney General led the eulogy.

He was respected by Prosecutors, and the judiciary alike.

When one of the prosecutor's sons was arrested, he called my dad. Because he knew how honest and capable he was. I think it is very short sighted to put defense attorneys down, in that way. imo

But our society has mixed feelings about defense attorneys, and there are good reasons for that.

Here's the thing - my daughter would love to become a defense attorney, and she's been working for a great one while in Law School. My favorite character from literature is Atticus Finch from To Kill a Mockingbird. I've known some wonderful defense attorneys who have helped my own family.

But there's no doubt that defense attorneys have to walk a tricky ethical line at times, and people are aware of that. And some guys give the whole profession a bad name.

And often they are defending the almost indefensible - rapists, child killers, kidnappers, con men, and thieves. Everyone deserves a good defense attorney, though, no matter what the crime. However I think it's understandable when people get upset with some of the theatrical tactics that go on.

They should understand that it's all in a day's work for a defense att. whose job is just to do what's best for their client - it's not that personal, and you shouldn't identify the attorney with the defendent. They aren't one in the same.

Yet having said that . . . I thought that Zimmerman's first attorneys made fools of themselves, and now we find out that O'Mara somehow didn't know about this hidden money before the bond was set? I'm highly skeptical. :what:

 

[who]

From what I'm reading here, it looks like GZ may have committed a felony, in addition to his Murder 2 charge.

903.035 Applications for bail; information provided; hearing on application for modification; penalty for providing false or misleading information or omitting material information.—

(1)(a) All information provided by a defendant, in connection with any application for or attempt to secure bail, to any court, court personnel, or individual soliciting or recording such information for the purpose of evaluating eligibility for, or securing, bail for the defendant, under circumstances such that the defendant knew or should have known that the information was to be used in connection with an application for bail, shall be accurate, truthful, and complete without omissions to the best knowledge of the defendant.
(b) The failure to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a) may result in the revocation or modification of bail.

(2) An application for modification of bail on any felony charge must be heard by a court in person, at a hearing with the defendant present, and with at least 3 hours’ notice to the state attorney.

(3) Any person who intentionally provides false or misleading material information or intentionally omits material information in connection with an application for bail or for modification of bail is guilty of a misdemeanor or felony which is one degree less than that of the crime charged for which bail is sought, but which in no event is greater than a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/903.035

 

[magnolia]

He refrained from going after them with a gun and let the deputy find them alive, didn't he?
I am not sure it's a completely comparable situation.

I think it is a comparable situation as to whether obsessed is the correct word to describe Zimmerman's interest in Trayvon. My hubby was being diligent in his effort to keep an eye on the boys until a sheriff's deputy arrived. IMO


Whether my hubby was carrying a gun or not really has nothing to do with it. We don't know Zimmerman went after Trayvon with a gun. All we know is Zimmerman was carrying a concealed gun. My hubby often carries a concealed gun. If on this day, he had been carrying his concealed gun, would we assume my hubby went after the boys with his gun? IMO

Suppose one of the boys stopped the 4-wheeler, got off, and attacked my hubby? Add Zimmerman's story. Is it fair to assume my hubby went after the boys with his gun?

 

[suzihawk]

This tells me that not everyone believes he is a cold blooded murderer - maybe that's MOM's strategy in announcing the funds...letting the SP know the jury might not be the slam dunk they were banking on, so to speak.

And the potential jury. IMO

 

[Donjeta]

It's hard to say but if he was heard muttering "those A-holes always get away" on a 911 call, followed them after the dispatcher told him not to and the boys were later found shot the thought might cross our minds.

 

[Gin]

From what I'm reading here, it looks like GZ may have committed a felony, in addition to his Murder 2 charge.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/903.035

Thanks for that information!
The judge wanted all the information/details on the money given to the SA's office. Now we know why.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

 

[Elley Mae]

The shape of that man's face does not resemble GZ's IMO.

I think JVM either got wrong info or the show just used this video as filler.

I hope she has to admit her "mistake" like the rest of the media has had to when they made "mistakes".

JMO

This is what I think. And it worked, look at all the attention it got.

 

[saguaro]

More tea, anyone?

I think we should move onto the harder stuff.

Might be a bit more friendly...or not.

LOL!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

From what I'm reading here, it looks like GZ may have committed a felony, in addition to his Murder 2 charge.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/903.035

Thanks for that information!
The judge wanted all the information/details on the money given to the SA's office. Now we know why.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

I believe nothing will come of this...

The State should have gotten RZ,Jr to testify at the bond hearing. Since they didn't, no one will be held accountable for this misinformation. They have found a way to once again, circumvent the law to go on their side. This is one deceitful family, is my belief...They all know how to get around the law and will not have any repurcussions behind this misstep. I place the fault to the State for not getting RZjr to testify about this...ShellieZ told the court, she knew nothing about the website, her BIL was monitoring it and the state failed to get him on the record...:banghead:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is what I think. And it worked, look at all the attention it got.

And you can bet, thousands of people that watch her show still think it was GZ because they didn't look into like we did.

It's horrible.

 

[magnolia]

But your husband didn't follow them and shoot them, right? We can't ignore that major fact that sets this case apart, otherwise we are comparing apples and oranges.

And there were no "obvious" signs that Trayvon was doing anything dangerous or wrong or illegal. He wasn't a group either, just one teenager walking around not bothering anyone.

Driving around too fast on loud and dangerous four-wheelers is pretty obvious compared to walking along in public talking on a phone drinking an iced tea.

"Obsession" with Trayvon in particular may not be the operative word, but George was certainly obsessed with being the Neighborhood Watch captain in light of the many and various 911 calls he had made. JMOO

Edited to Add: I wouldn't compare calling police one time out of real concern for some teenagers to what George did.

Yes, at one point, my hubby did follow the boys. Not sure I agree that Zimmerman was obsessed with being the Neighborhood Watch captain. The word diligent pops up in my mind again.

 

[who]

I believe nothing will come of this...

The State should have gotten RZ,Jr to testify at the bond hearing. Since they didn't, no one will be held accountable for this misinformation. They have found a way to once again, circumvent the law to go on their side. This is one deceitful family, is my belief...They all know how to get around the law and will not have any repurcussions behind this misstep. I place the fault to the State for not getting RZjr to testify about this...ShellieZ told the court, she knew nothing about the website, her BIL was monitoring it and the state failed to get him on the record...:banghead:

I don't see how a judge can read this part:

"(1)(a) All information provided by a defendant, in connection with any application for or attempt to secure bail, to any court, court personnel, or individual soliciting or recording such information for the purpose of evaluating eligibility for, or securing, bail for the defendant, under circumstances such that the defendant knew or should have known that the information was to be used in connection with an application for bail, shall be accurate, truthful, and complete without omissions to the best knowledge of the defendant.(b) The failure to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a) may result in the revocation or modification of bail."

and not make anything of it. But I sadly have to agree with you.

 

[LambChop]

I'm not so sure obsessed is the right word to describe Zimmerman's interest in Trayvon during that short time frame.

We had an incident not long ago where a couple of teenage boys were riding up and down our long winding road on 4-wheelers at fast speed. This had happened before. Not often, but several times before. My guess is the boys were taking advantage of their parents not being home. Out of concern for their safety, this time,my hubby called the sheriff's dept. Hubby tried to keep an eye on the boys until a sheriff's deputy arrived. I know the boys riding the 4-wheelers were breaking the law. We have no proof Trayvon was breaking the law. However, I don't think this matters. Zimmerman thought Trayvon might be breaking the law. In your opinion was my hubby obsessed with the idea of not letting these boys get away?

Concern for the safety of someone you visually see doing something wrong and reporting it is not an obsession. GZ admitted to LE "They always get away." He targeted TM because in his mind TM was one of "them". GZ had no evidence that TM was doing anything wrong. He assumed TM was about to commit a crime, GZ was wrong. He assumed TM was headed for the back gate, GZ was wrong. He assumed TM had no business in his neighborhood, GZ again was very wrong. GZ was committed to stopping everyone he felt had no business walking down the street in his neighborhood.....that's an obsession. That's a big problem when you are carrying a gun. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I believe nothing will come of this...

The State should have gotten RZ,Jr to testify at the bond hearing. Since they didn't, no one will be held accountable for this misinformation. They have found a way to once again, circumvent the law to go on their side. This is one deceitful family, is my belief...They all know how to get around the law and will not have any repurcussions behind this misstep. I place the fault to the State for not getting RZjr to testify about this...ShellieZ told the court, she knew nothing about the website, her BIL was monitoring it and the state failed to get him on the record...:banghead:

How would the State know RZ had information? When SZ mentioned him at the hearing it was too late to subpoena him. GZ was asking for the bail and IMO the family were there for the defense not the State which leads me to believe RZ,jr was left out deliberately by defense. I don't think that got by the judge in the hearing the other day. I think it was very obvious what games they were playing. jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

I believe nothing will come of this...

The State should have gotten RZ,Jr to testify at the bond hearing. Since they didn't, no one will be held accountable for this misinformation. They have found a way to once again, circumvent the law to go on their side. This is one deceitful family, is my belief...They all know how to get around the law and will not have any repurcussions behind this misstep. I place the fault to the State for not getting RZjr to testify about this...ShellieZ told the court, she knew nothing about the website, her BIL was monitoring it and the state failed to get him on the record...:banghead:

My question is WHY didn't they?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Don't know Emeraldgem, maybe the State got sidetracked and forgot to get him to testify...huge misstep, IMO....:maddening:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Judge delays decision on Zimmerman contributions
WJXT-TV
updated 4/27/2012 2:47:36 PM ET

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of wrongly killing Trayvon Martin, will not immediately have to turn over donations made to his website, a Florida judge said Friday.

Zimmerman collected about $204,000 in donations through the website, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week, according to his attorney, Mark O'Mara. Prosecutors had asked for a bond of $1 million, but Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. made it $150,000 after Zimmerman's family testified they did not have the resources necessary to meet the higher level.




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47208269

O'Mara on Friday revealed a new website, www.gzlegalcase.com, and another site, not yet live, that will host a defense fund. The only thing on the site Friday morning was a statement about the donations.

Regardless of what happens to the contributions, O'Mara intends to open a legal defense fund for his client, he said.

I guess the defense will not go after indigent status if they are still putting up websites for donations....I guess this is now the norm to do...and will be accepted due to goverment funds...:banghead:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Zimmerman's Arrest Should Be a Family Affair, Including His Father
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-boyce-watkins/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_b_1393761.html

 

[LambChop]

I think it is a comparable situation as to whether obsessed is the correct word to describe Zimmerman's interest in Trayvon. My hubby was being diligent in his effort to keep an eye on the boys until a sheriff's deputy arrived. IMO


Whether my hubby was carrying a gun or not really has nothing to do with it. We don't know Zimmerman went after Trayvon with a gun. All we know is Zimmerman was carrying a concealed gun. My hubby often carries a concealed gun. If on this day, he had been carrying his concealed gun, would we assume my hubby went after the boys with his gun? IMO

Suppose one of the boys stopped the 4-wheeler, got off, and attacked my hubby? Add Zimmerman's story. Is it fair to assume my hubby went after the boys with his gun?

Diligent: an earnest attempt. Obsession: a compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea often from an unreasonable emotion. Obsession fits GZ with his unreasonable conclusions that a person walking down the street he did not recognize was up to no good. Diligence would be an earnest attempt to keep the boys from getting hurt, or from hurting someone else. Big difference.

I think in GZ's case the gun became an issue once it was exposed and TM feared for his life and GZ felt TM might use the gun on him had TM been able to get ahold of it. I feel because of the gun GZ felt confident to follow TM and try to detain him until LE arrived. Why else would he follow him? GZ did something he never should have done. He got out of his car. Because he had the gun common sense should have told him an altercation could result in him losing control of the gun and become his own victim. His only responsibility that night was to wait for LE and not to take the matter into his own hands.

GZ has a problem with authority figures and he thinks he is capable of handling his own fate. Clearly what we have seen the last month makes that all too obvious. He sticks his neck out way too far and then blames someone else when he hits that brick wall. Carrying a gun requires more responsibility on the part of the person carrying the weapon than someone who is not. A lot more, and anyone who owns a gun and disagrees with this is a very dangerous person, indeed. jmo