17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[Kimberlyd125]

I guess Trayvon was his target on 2/26/12.

If he had been his target he had plenty of chances to shoot his target before the gashed head and broken nose.

JMO

 

[raeann]

Why would a teenager be in possession of 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a watch, and a screwdriver that could be used as a burglary tool?

You tell me???

LOL....seriously.....I see teens at the mall with more than TWELVE earrings alone.....then add in about 6 bracelets a couple of necklaces/chains and a few rings and they STILL don't look any different than quite a few other kids walking around!

 

[zenreaper]

Not sure what 911 tape YOU listen to, but here goes:

911 dispatcher:

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:

Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:

That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:

OK.

These *******s. They always get away.

When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running. [2:08]

Seems pretty obvious. At .48 into the call, he is STARING at him, and at 2.08, he is RUNNING.

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[mercuriod]

I wondered about that too because I don't think it's legal to release school records to the media, or anyone else for that matter. There are so many Federal laws concerned with privacy these days, surely there is a law about making school records public. If the school released this information about Trayvon, I think the Martins have a case.

And actually, it is my understanding that the leak of that "school police report" is being investigated by the justice department. They will know exactly who did it.

 

[Phoenixfla]

Well unless the administration of this forum has suddenly changed its stance and not notified all its members - the administration of this forum has stated several times that since GZ has been charged with the 2nd degree murder of TM that TM is to be treated as the victim on this forum. And again unless this forum has suddenly changed it rules this is a VICTIM FRIENDLY forum. I would think that means on this forum TM is to be afforded the same consideration and rules that every other VICTIM featured on this forum enjoys!

All IMO, JMO and all that jazz.

Originally posted by Admin beach:

ATTENTION

Mod Note:

I've been on vacation unable to keep up here the past 5 days. I've been reviewing the old locked threads, posts, alerts, PMs, emails, etc... If you can think of it, I've gotten it, heard you and have since reviewed it.

Let me just say -Things are achanging around here beginning right now.

Websleuths respects TRUTHS, FACTS AND OPINIONS from BOTH SIDES OF ANY GIVEN ISSUE.

We are a victim friendly forum however the INCESSANT alerts on mere differences of opinion and those by anyone who dares to paint Trayvon as less than a golden child is going to stop right now. He was a 17 yr. old kid and I have yet to meet a perfect one. Doesn't in anyway mean he deserved to die, however the truth is fair game for discussion and not to be considered bashing.

There is a clear gang mentality forming. CUT IT OUT NOW. This is not an Pro-Trayvon cheerleading forum where all other opinions and facts are to be dismissed. I see so many people with their feet firmly planted and responding to those with whom they disagree with a complete lack of tolerance or respect. I am done with that kind of stuff. Done.

We are about TRUTH & JUSTICE. Sometimes facts will come forward that may not support your theory. That is the way almost every case followed here works. Open your minds and deal with it. Otherwise you appear hardheaded and close-minded.


Guys, I am dead serious about all these alerts. There are literally hundreds every day in every inbox of every moderator here. It is completely out of control. Mods welcome alerts on posts that violate TOS and rules - e.g., posting donation sites, personal attacks, identifying minors, sleuthing non-players, etc... But the vast majority of alerts we are getting are on simple differences of opinion. The alert feature is usually a mod's best friend but it is being abused badly in this case. There will be TOs forthcoming for those that continue to try to steer the discussion by alerting the mere differences of opinion here.


*this post lands completely at random*

 

[raeann]

And actually, it is my understanding that the leak of that "school police report" is being investigated by the justice department. They will know exactly who did it.

Yes....and it is quite possible that a person unethical and dishonest enough to break the law by illegally accessing and publishing private school records just MIGHT also be dishonest enough to alter those records to make them more
"sellable"!

 

[rossva]

Perhaps the blame ultimately for Martin's death should be put on the Miami school district by not reporting him to the police for posession of drug paraphenalia? Perhaps if he had been arrested, for breaking a law and did have a crimminal record, he might not have been in the position to be shot.

BBM Perhaps the beginnings of a career criminal. Perhaps he shouldn't have had some many chances, perhaps had some one taken his youthful transgressions a little more seriously, perhaps.

OMG, a career criminal!!!! Very well could be he was holding for a friend. He's a teenager. Were there any arrests? And who determined they were diamonds - a jeweler or a school police investigator? My goodness, I'm just sick and tired of the blaming the victim. I am sure if we were examined to the extent that he is being examined, we wouldn't look so good either. I didn't know there were specific marijuana pipes. Was the pipe checked for marijuana residue? Most people I know who smoke just roll their own.

What is his CRIMINAL record? Was he ever arrested for burglary or assault. Did he plead down to anger management? Has he ever killed anyone?

 

[LambChop]

At what broken law do you draw the line? Marijuana may be no big deal to you, but it is against the law. Did George Zimmerman start making those bad decisions throughout his life at such a young age as Martin appears to have?

I guess your sentence stating pretty much everyone you know is an illegal drug user explains your position here. Of course you'd assume the person who performed a lawful act of self defense was in the wrong.

I don't think it's such a big deal anymore unless you are selling it and have over a certain amount. All kids try it. Mine did. Everytime you drive down the highway and exceed that speed limit by 3 or 4 miles you are breaking the law. Does not mean you'll go to jail for it. There are things far, far worse than pot. It's one of those things kids experiment with, like beer before they're 21. Does not make them public enemy number one.

I would have hoped that GZ would have listened to LE when they told him he did not have to follow. I would have hoped that GZ had enough sense to know it was not his job to follow with LE on the way. I would have hoped that GZ had enough consideration for the young man he saw that night to have given him the benefit of the doubt and if he felt he had to control the event, that he would have driven to the back gate and waited for this "thief" to make their get away. I would have hoped that GZ would have kept LE on the line. He did none of these things and a young man is dead for no good reason other than GZ had a mission in his mind and would not be stopped, not by LE, not by his own common sense and not by the classes he attended through the police program and not by the NWP training he received. The LE officer who trained him could not have made it any clearer, you do not follow someone once you have called it in because now it's our job. Fallen on deaf ears, IMO, as far as GZ is concerned. jmo

 

[magnolia]

LOL....seriously.....I see teens at the mall with more than TWELVE earrings alone.....then add in about 6 bracelets a couple of necklaces/chains and a few rings and they STILL don't look any different than quite a few other kids walking around!

So, Trayvon was just another one of these teens?? Wonder why Trayvon's mom and dad knew nothing about the jewelry? I suppose he wore the jewelry to the mall and removed it before he went home???

 

[rossva]

BBM. According to Zimmerman, he didn't take the gun to a fist fight, Martin took the fist fight to him. So, Zimmerman should have just let Martin (as Zimmerman felt) just beat him to death, and not use his legally carried weapon to defend himself because all Martin was using was the concrete?

Deadly force is STILL OVERKILL for a fist fight. Does Zimmerman always take a gun to a fist fight? Self-defense implies reasonable. Pulling a gun and shooting someone in the chest when he is unarmed is NOT reasonable. If it were, there'd be a lot of dead people lying around. jmo

 

[Velouria]

Perhaps the blame ultimately for Martin's death should be put on the Miami school district by not reporting him to the police for posession of drug paraphenalia? Perhaps if he had been arrested, for breaking a law and did have a crimminal record, he might not have been in the position to be shot.

BBM Perhaps the beginnings of a career criminal. Perhaps he shouldn't have had some many chances, perhaps had some one taken his youthful transgressions a little more seriously, perhaps.

Perhaps they shouldn't have cut GZ any slack and let him plead down those two felonies to a misdemeanor.

Perhaps some will continue to try and paint the victim as someone who had it coming.

 

[mercuriod]

I don't think it's such a big deal anymore unless you are selling it and have over a certain amount. All kids try it. Mine did. Everytime you drive down the highway and exceed that speed limit by 3 or 4 miles you are breaking the law. Does not mean you'll go to jail for it. There are things far, far worse than pot. It's one of those things kids experiment with, like beer before they're 21. Does not make them public enemy number one.

I would have hoped that GZ would have listened to LE when they told him he did not have to follow. I would have hoped that GZ had enough sense to know it was not his job to follow with LE on the way. I would have hoped that GZ had enough consideration for the young man he saw that night to have given him the benefit of the doubt and if he felt he had to control the event, that he would have driven to the back gate and waited for this "thief" to make their get away. I would have hoped that GZ would have kept LE on the line. He did none of these things and a young man is dead for no good reason other than GZ had a mission in his mind and would not be stopped, not by LE, not by his own common sense and not by the classes he attended through the police program and not by the NWP training he received. The LE officer who trained him could not have made it any clearer, you do not follow someone once you have called it in because now it's our job. Fallen on deaf ears, IMO, as far as GZ is concerned. jmo

Oh heck I will go even further and say not only did my kid probably try it, I did.

 

[rossva]

IIRC Zimmerman has had the hand gum for quite some time, and his being a NWP had nothing to do with the purchase of the gun.

And it's so easy to make sure no one gets in by installing a charlie bar or just put a heavy wooden dowel/bar in the track to keep someone from opening the door. Cost is minimal. As a NWP person I would think it would have been easier to tell people to place bars in their tracks than it would have been to go out and purchase a 9mm hand gun. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think it's such a big deal anymore unless you are selling it and have over a certain amount. All kids try it. Mine did. Everytime you drive down the highway and exceed that speed limit by 3 or 4 miles you are breaking the law. Does not mean you'll go to jail for it. There are things far, far worse than pot. It's one of those things kids experiment with, like beer before they're 21. Does not make them public enemy number one.

I would have hoped that GZ would have listened to LE when they told him he did not have to follow. I would have hoped that GZ had enough sense to know it was not his job to follow with LE on the way. I would have hoped that GZ had enough consideration for the young man he saw that night to have given him the benefit of the doubt and if he felt he had to control the event, that he would have driven to the back gate and waited for this "thief" to make their get away. I would have hoped that GZ would have kept LE on the line. He did none of these things and a young man is dead for no good reason other than GZ had a mission in his mind and would not be stopped, not by LE, not by his own common sense and not by the classes he attended through the police program and not by the NWP training he received. The LE officer who trained him could not have made it any clearer, you do not follow someone once you have called it in because now it's our job. Fallen on deaf ears, IMO, as far as GZ is concerned. jmo

I just have to say this:
No. ALL kids do not try it!

 

[zenreaper]

:floorlaugh:

Let's blame anyone and everything BUT Zimmerman.

Well, you COULD blame TM, of course his supporters are taking a predictable line of defense:

"TM didn't attack GZ. But if he DID, well he didn't hit him that hard. And if he DID hit him that hard, it was still only a fist fight and GZ shouldn't have shot him."

I am STILL waiting for an answer from the folks that think TM didn't hit GZ all that hard, as to the EXACT amount of force required and injury sustained that allows a person to respond with lethal force.

 

[imamaze]

I just have to say this:
No. ALL kids do not try it!

Maybe not, but a lot of them do and a lot of them that do are good kids, imo.

 

[Aedrys]

Perhaps the blame ultimately for Martin's death should be put on the Miami school district by not reporting him to the police for posession of drug paraphenalia? Perhaps if he had been arrested, for breaking a law and did have a crimminal record, he might not have been in the position to be shot.

BBM Perhaps the beginnings of a career criminal. Perhaps he shouldn't have had some many chances, perhaps had some one taken his youthful transgressions a little more seriously, perhaps.

:waitasec: If he was more of a criminal, he wouldn't have been shot? Am I understanding that correctly? GZ followed him because he THOUGHT he was a criminal. The key word is here is THOUGHT. Trayvon was not actually doing anything criminal. That was only GZ's perception, and that does not make what GZ suspected a fact. Travyon was not a criminal at any point of his life. There is zero proof he was ever a criminal, only suspicions. Suspicions, again, are not fact. And him being a criminal would have made him far more likely to die by violence, including being shot. Being the good kid he was should not have put him in the line of fire, all IMO. Standing logic on it's head and spinning it around does not make GZ innocent.

 

[kimpage]

Is it not considered violent to break someone's nose and bash their head onto cement - and not letting them retreat?

Ok i just have to say this again!!!!!!!!! I had my head bashed onto concrete by me ex,my long blond hair was completely RED from blood.And I was in the hospital for 3 days..So IMHO JMHO GZ tales of his head being continually slammed on concrete is a LIE.. Oh and i did not SHOOT my ex even though i was in fear of my life and lived in Florida at the time........IMHO JMHO and all that

 

[rossva]

BBM Assuming Zimmermans injuries are not what he claims because we haven't seen proof is just plain silly. To the other extreme - have we seen pictures of Martin's injuries, an autopsy report, or a death certificate? We can't claim to believe the SPD's reports about Martin, but not about Zimmerman, can we?

TM was not armed. GZ was. I have yet to see those serious injuries that GZ and his propaganda machine are claiming. My son had more serious wounds than that from a fight at a party. He was not armed. GZ's injuries were not serious enough to warrant anything more than first aid. TM was beyond first aid. If TM threw the first punch GZ had the right to punch back. Not to kill him.

 

[jjenny]

When I was a child I was sitting on a railing, lost my balance and fell backward hitting the back of my head on the concrete. I didn't have any blood.