17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[vlpate]

According to my teen, this is typical of the TEEN culture and their peer environment.

It's not typical of the teen culture at Miami Carol High School, where TM was transferred from for his Junior year - where violence took the lives of students near graduation. It's not exactly the teen culture in Miami Gardens. Miami-Dade has one of the largest gang populations in the US.

Teen culture in Salt Lake City, Utah would be vastly different than the teen culture in South Central, LA. IMO, the term "teen culture" is definitely relative!

:twocents::moo: Side note: I'd have grounded my teen for giving the bird to anyone, much less in a picture - obviously, those pictures never go away. Does that make me old fashioned to think it inappropriate and vulgar for a teen to do so? She's a grown woman now and I've yet to see a gang sign or stray bird in any of her pictures, or those of her friends on FB.

JMO

 

[Velouria]

Well, you COULD blame TM, of course his supporters are taking a predictable line of defense:

"TM didn't attack GZ. But if he DID, well he didn't hit him that hard. And if he DID hit him that hard, it was still only a fist fight and GZ shouldn't have shot him."

I am STILL waiting for an answer from the folks that think TM didn't hit GZ all that hard, as to the EXACT amount of force required and injury sustained that allows a person to respond with lethal force.

And I'm still waiting to see the proof that TM hit GZ FIRST, and not in self-defense.

 

[zenreaper]

Ok i just have to say this again!!!!!!!!! I had my head bashed onto concrete by me ex,my long blond hair was completely RED from blood.And I was in the hospital for 3 days..So IMHO JMHO GZ tales of his head being continually slammed on concrete is a LIE.. Oh and i did not SHOOT my ex even though i was in fear of my life and lived in Florida at the time........IMHO JMHO and all that

You do understand about hair, and capillary action, and how someone WITH hair would have the blood follow the lines of hair and spread faster than someone with little to no hair? Oh, and you are a DIFFERENT PERSON from GZ. And the concrete was different (unless, of course, you had your head bashed at the SAME PLACE as GZ, in which case, I have to point out the REMARKABLE odds taking place here)

So do you think TM hit GZ's head against the ground at ALL? If not, where do you think the marks came from?

 

[raeann]

So, Trayvon was just another one of these teens?? Wonder why Trayvon's mom and dad knew nothing about the jewelry? I suppose he wore the jewelry to the mall and removed it before he went home???

no....that is not what I was saying at all....just that twelve pieces of jewelry is no big deal. It very well COULD have belonged to a friend, the friend's girlfriend or anyone! I am pretty sure that there are a lot of kids who have an item or two that their parents don't know about....normal, everyday, GOOD kids!

jmo

 

[badme102]

It's all moot until we have an actual account of what Zimmerman says happened. If he stopped, or paced back and forth, or walked slowly, or ran, or did something that's not in the contrived timelines I've seen, they simply won't be accurate. It's a lot of assumptions based on very little.

And that's your opinion, and that's fine.

Like I said previously, I wouldn't believe GZ if his tongue came notarized.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Maybe not, but a lot of them do and a lot of them that do are good kids, imo.

Perhaps.
But that was not what the post said.

I personally think it's the "everybody does it" / "its no big deal" kind of attitude that gives our children a free pass (so to speak) to feel they can break laws and use illegal substances.

I am far from perfect, but I have never put an illegal drug in my body. I was taught it was wrong, stupid, and very dangerous.

To each their own but I feel our children should be taught to respect authority and obey the laws of our great nation.

JMO

 

[vlpate]

:waitasec: If he was more of a criminal, he wouldn't have been shot? Am I understanding that correctly? GZ followed him because he THOUGHT he was a criminal. The key word is here is THOUGHT. Trayvon was not actually doing anything criminal. That was only GZ's perception, and that does not make what GZ suspected a fact. Travyon was not a criminal at any point of his life. There is zero proof he was ever a criminal, only suspicions. Suspicions, again, are not fact. And him being a criminal would have made him far more likely to die by violence, including being shot. Being the good kid he was should not have put him in the line of fire, all IMO. Standing logic on it's head and spinning it around does not make GZ innocent.

Doing the same thing will, ironically, not make him guilty either. A jury looking at the evidence will decide whether it was self defense or murder - sitting perfectly still. IMO

 

[Phoenixfla]

I don't know why. But I do know that no verified information regarding TM being caught stealing things or in possession of stolen property has ever come forward.

Therefore, IMO, saying that he has a "history of stealing" or however it was worded is indeed making an unfounded accusation.

Anyone want to guess a best case scenario as to how he came into possession of this jewelry?

Why would anyone "hold" that amount of women's jewelry and a tool that could be perceived as a burglary tool for a friend?

 

[zenreaper]

And I'm still waiting to see the proof that TM hit GZ FIRST, and not in self-defense.

Tell you what, a physical confrontation took place that night. SOMEONE started it. One of those people has verifiable MARKS on them, while there is NO evidence that the other does. Using YOUR standard of evidence, that you want to see ACTUAL PHYSICAL PROOF of who swung first, I propose that GZ didn't even SHOOT TM. I mean YEAH, he ADMITTED it, but per you folks, GZ is a LIAR, so we can't believe ANYTHING he says, right? And in the absence of PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, you can ONLY go by what is known.

 

[rossva]

Zimmerman had only been part of the newly formed watch group since November. Perhaps the times Martin had previously visited were before Zimmerman had formed the watch group. Or, perhaps Zimmerman, did,
as you suggested, know Martin, and had witnessed him doing something suspicious previously, and not been able to report it, and Martin, was in fact, one of the a**holes who got away.

JMO

Well, if that is true then I wonder why the ever vigilant NW captain wasn't aware of who TM was. (Come to think of it...maybe he was...) Obviously, he didn't even begin to know who belonged in his neighborhood and who didn't.

 

[jaded cat]

So you would be looking for someone to belong to a fight club or something to be considered violent?

I was such a hoodlum, I climbed the water tower on the marine base Quatico. It was against the rules but all the kids did it and the patrols looked the other way. It was a rite of passage.

I violated the law! I'm a criminal. What have I done that would lead anyone to think I would engage in violent behaviour?

 

[Lovelymountains]

And actually, it is my understanding that the leak of that "school police report" is being investigated by the justice department. They will know exactly who did it.

Woo-hoo I hope they find the person who did it. It's actually outrageous.

 

[katydid23]

And actually, it is my understanding that the leak of that "school police report" is being investigated by the justice department. They will know exactly who did it.

So are you saying those records are real and were leaked from the school?

 

[mercuriod]

BBM Assuming Zimmermans injuries are not what he claims because we haven't seen proof is just plain silly. To the other extreme - have we seen pictures of Martin's injuries, an autopsy report, or a death certificate? We can't claim to believe the SPD's reports about Martin, but not about Zimmerman, can we?

So you don't think Trayvon had a gunshot at close range through the chest?

 

[Aedrys]

Anyone want to guess a best case scenario as to how he came into possession of this jewelry?

Why would anyone "hold" that amount of women's jewelry and a tool that could be perceived as a burglary tool for a friend?

Because teenagers frequently do stupid things like that? Not all of them get arrested and turn into criminals. Sheesh.

 

[m00c0w]

And that's your opinion, and that's fine.

Like I said previously, I wouldn't believe GZ if his tongue came notarized.

What about physical evidence or other eyewitnesses?

 

[tehcloser]

You do understand about hair, and capillary action, and how someone WITH hair would have the blood follow the lines of hair and spread faster than someone with little to no hair? Oh, and you are a DIFFERENT PERSON from GZ. And the concrete was different (unless, of course, you had your head bashed at the SAME PLACE as GZ, in which case, I have to point out the REMARKABLE odds taking place here)

So do you think TM hit GZ's head against the ground at ALL? If not, where do you think the marks came from?

ok......what? Now the concrete where GZ supposedly got his head banged was different than most concrete? :floorlaugh: GMAB.

 

[m00c0w]

So TM's twitter & facebook created when he was in his teens mean nothing Right?

I've repeatedly said it means nothing. It's not at all different from what his peers post.

:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

IMO, you do not carry a gun and be forced to use it to save your life by shooting to wound.

My husband was licenced to carry a concealed weapon until the day he died even though he rarely carried it. I would not want to carry a gun myself even though there were plenty locked up in the gun cabinet in my home. It's a personal choice. If someone wants to kill me it does not matter what I have or don't have I'll still end up dead. We only have to look at the headlines and the massive shootings deaths by killers with guns to know that can happen whether you are armed or not. I fully trust LE and their ability to handle situations that involve guns. I also have a cell phone, not a lethal weapon but they are great for emergencies. I often think GZ should have stayed on his cell phone that night and maybe TM would still be alive.

Nothing wrong with owning a gun. As I have said before I just have issues with some people who carry a gun and have no right doing so. If you have no common sense you are the last person who should own a gun. GZ has shown us he lacked common sense that night by not following directions for LE. I can't imagine being so afraid to walk out my door without a concealed weapon on my hip. I think toting around a gun would make me feel more insecure because I'd be constantly looking out for danger. I'd also have to worry about someone grabbing it and using it on me. Thank you, but no, I'll live my life without the gun. jmo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

When I was a child I was sitting on a railing, lost my balance and fell backward hitting the back of my head on the concrete. I didn't have any blood.

I'm guessing, though, that you didn't crawl back up on the railing, fall backward and hit your head several times. Which would be a true comparison of GZ's claim that TM was pounding his head into the concrete and the brother's claim that just "one more blow" would render him wearing diapers.