17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[Emma Peel]

Please use proper names and not bunch into a group of people. Thanks everyone!

just checking - are we abandoning initials? (MOM, GZ, TM?)

 

[Gin]

just checking - are we abandoning initials? (MOM, GZ, TM?)

And BC?

Or is OK to be universal...O'Mara and Crump, MOM and BC, and so on?

 

[Velouria]

just checking - are we abandoning initials? (MOM, GZ, TM?)

I think it just means we should refrain from referring to the players by such terms as "_________ and Co.".

 

[imamaze]

just checking - are we abandoning initials? (MOM, GZ, TM?)

No, not initials, but no grouping example 'company' it makes it confusing on who all that is.

 

[rossva]

yup it does

http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/...cle_b94953b7-2081-5091-929b-fbb098003dc3.html
Judge seeks info on $200,000 sent to Zimmerman



--if donations are considered "internet gifts"---does that make them tax exempt?

 

[imamaze]

And BC?

Or is OK to be universal...O'Mara and Crump, MOM and BC, and so on?

Yep that's fine too! I get confused at times on initials though, who is BC?

 

[rossva]

Link showing the bondsman was still owed please?

As of Friday night, the other $10,000 to the bail bondsman was still owed.


~jmo~

 

[Gin]

Yep that's fine too! I get confused at times on initials though, who is BC?

Benjamin Crump

 

[vlpate]

No, that is not true.

Crump made the statement that the parents didn't want an apology on Thursday, the day before the bond hearing which was on Friday.

TAMPA — The parents of Trayvon Martin will not grant a request any time soon to meet with their son's accused killer, their attorney said Thursday.

Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the parents of the teenager, were informed of the request on the eve of defendant George Zimmerman's bail hearing today.

But now, family attorney Benjamin Crump said at a press conference, is not the time.

I knew about it before the bond hearing so there is no reason MOM couldn't have.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/trayvo...uest-for-private-meeting-with-accused/1225872

From your link: "Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the parents of the teenager, were informed of the request on the eve of defendant George Zimmerman's bail hearing today."

Badly worded sentence - it gives the impression Crump gave the conference on the same day as the hearing.

Crump is too busy to return two phone calls days before the hearing, but he expects O'Mara to be sitting around watching TV to get his answer? I would imagine O'Mara was busy preparing for his client's bond hearing. Crump's actions proves two things:

1. Crump got the message and should have responded to O'Mara before the "eve" of the bond hearing, IN PRIVATE, if he's so concerned about privacy. He called O'Mara and Zimmerman out in public, because that's just how he rolls.
2. He kept the message, which he obviously received, from the Martin's until the day before the hearing.

Crump is not mad about the apology, Crump is mad because he wants to continue to portray Zimmerman as a cold, unfeeling, racist monster.

JMO

 

[Adrienne37]

Link showing the bondsman was still owed please?

Right from O'Mara's very own mouth....

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Mark. I just have so many questions for you. How is it possible that he`s already spent 50 grand approximately on living expenses? I mean, that`s a year`s salary for a lot of Americans, at least.

O`MARA: Yes. And I`m going to answer those questions as soon as I see all the bank records and see what he spent it on. I do know, for example, the five went to the bail bonds person. I imagine that the other 10 that is going to be due to the bail bonds person will come from that fund. I still think that is a legitimate defense fund expense.


http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ijvm.01.html

 

[imamaze]

Benjamin Crump

:doh: :tyou:

 

[Donjeta]

From your link: "Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the parents of the teenager, were informed of the request on the eve of defendant George Zimmerman's bail hearing today."

Badly worded sentence - it gives the impression Crump gave the conference on the same day as the hearing.

Crump is too busy to return two phone calls days before the hearing, but he expects O'Mara to be sitting around watching TV to get his answer? I would imagine O'Mara was busy preparing for his client's bond hearing. Crump's actions proves two things:

1. Crump got the message and should have responded to O'Mara before the "eve" of the bond hearing, IN PRIVATE, if he's so concerned about privacy. He called O'Mara and Zimmerman out in public, because that's just how he rolls.
2. He kept the message, which he obviously received, from the Martin's until the day before the hearing.

Crump is not mad about the apology, Crump is mad because he wants to continue to portray Zimmerman as a cold, unfeeling, racist monster.

JMO

MOO I would expect that any proper preparing for a hearing would include getting someone to check the news of the day, in case there is something that needs to be noticed before the hearing. There probably is someone in O'Mara's office who can use Google.

Anyway, I don't know how busy he can have been preparing for the hearing since he obviously didn't even consider it necessary to find out if his client has money or not.

 

[vlpate]

Agreed. I'm beginning to think the same can be said for his attorney.

Why is that? Crump didn't deny that O'Mara had called him days before the bond hearing, not once but twice; instead, Crump just changed the subject.

 

[suzihawk]

From your link: "Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the parents of the teenager, were informed of the request on the eve of defendant George Zimmerman's bail hearing today."

Badly worded sentence - it gives the impression Crump gave the conference on the same day as the hearing.

Crump is too busy to return two phone calls days before the hearing, but he expects O'Mara to be sitting around watching TV to get his answer? I would imagine O'Mara was busy preparing for his client's bond hearing. Crump's actions proves two things:

1. Crump got the message and should have responded to O'Mara before the "eve" of the bond hearing, IN PRIVATE, if he's so concerned about privacy. He called O'Mara and Zimmerman out in public, because that's just how he rolls.
2. He kept the message, which he obviously received, from the Martin's until the day before the hearing.

Crump is not mad about the apology, Crump is mad because he wants to continue to portray Zimmerman as a cold, unfeeling, racist monster.

JMO

BBM

Why would he do that and how would you know IF he did?

 

[csziggy]

Heck if I know...LOL! I'm just trying to figure out why in the heck he suddenly needed to give up his home and go into hiding the very next day. Something is off about that.


~jmo~

Maybe he panicked when he found out that the suspicious black man in a hoodie he killed was really just a kid out for a walk and not a burglar or criminal? A kid from a good family who was a guest in the subdivision with every right to be there?

I think GZ was convinced that night he was justified in killing the unknown person and that SYG would protect him. Then he finds out that all the assumptions he made while on the phone to SPD were wrong and there was a good chance that SYG would not be a slam dunk defense and a get out of jail free card. I wonder if he thought the death would not be carefully examined so any lies he made in his statements to SPD would not be discovered. After all, after the Collison case, he thought SPD incompetent and unable to fairly handle investigations.

But when the dead kid turned out to have been an innocent bystander that put a different spin on GZ's lies even if at that point it was only in his own mind. I think once GZ found out the truth about the dead kid he knew the enormity of what he had done and his only thought was to run. If he'd had more resources, I bet he would have disappeared.

Then when Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton got representation and the case hit the national media, GZ's defenders - Joe Oliver, Frank Taaffe, GZ's brother and father - trot out to spam the media with their various versions of GZ's stories, still trying to cover his a**.

I think that last week when Sonner and Uhrig were 'representing' GZ, he was in full panic mode. He could see that public opinion was against him, that the attorneys who were supposed to be turning the tide were ineffective, that he was going to be arrested and going to trial. That's when he tried to contact SP Corey, to try to give her his version of events without his 'legal advisors'.

I believe JO when he said GZ thought this would 'blow over' - SPD and the use of SYG have a history that suggests that is what would have happened if Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had not been diligent in seeking justice for their son. Without their attorneys' use of the public media to bring this case to the public, Trayvon Martin's death would have been just another young black man killed with little investigation into the circumstances.

Without Natalie Jackson and the firm of Parks & Crump, GZ would have gotten away with murder. He may still, due to Florida's bizarre laws and the vagaries of the jury system (if the case makes it that far), but if that happens, public opinion will demand changes in the laws and the system.

All of the above is completely IMHO, JMHO, :moo:, etc.

 

[Adrienne37]

From your link: "Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the parents of the teenager, were informed of the request on the eve of defendant George Zimmerman's bail hearing today."

Badly worded sentence - it gives the impression Crump gave the conference on the same day as the hearing.

Crump is too busy to return two phone calls days before the hearing, but he expects O'Mara to be sitting around watching TV to get his answer? I would imagine O'Mara was busy preparing for his client's bond hearing. Crump's actions proves two things:

1. Crump got the message and should have responded to O'Mara before the "eve" of the bond hearing, IN PRIVATE, if he's so concerned about privacy. He called O'Mara and Zimmerman out in public, because that's just how he rolls.
2. He kept the message, which he obviously received, from the Martin's until the day before the hearing.

Crump is not mad about the apology, Crump is mad because he wants to continue to portray Zimmerman as a cold, unfeeling, racist monster.

JMO

Zimmerman has done a good job of that himself.


~jmo~

 

[suzihawk]

If it is true that MOM didn't know I'll bet he is curious about what other things his client hasn't told him.

IMHO, GZ is the type of person who would rather ask for forgiveness later than ask for permission in the first place.

moo

wm

Agreed. I'm beginning to think the same can be said for his attorney.

Why is that? Crump didn't deny that O'Mara had called him days before the bond hearing, not once but twice; instead, Crump just changed the subject.

I was responding to the general comment BBM in waltzingmatilda's post above.

 

[Adrienne37]

Maybe he panicked when he found out that the suspicious black man in a hoodie he killed was really just a kid out for a walk and not a burglar or criminal? A kid from a good family who was a guest in the subdivision with every right to be there?

I think GZ was convinced that night he was justified in killing the unknown person and that SYG would protect him. Then he finds out that all the assumptions he made while on the phone to SPD were wrong and there was a good chance that SYG would not be a slam dunk defense and a get out of jail free card. I wonder if he thought the death would not be carefully examined so any lies he made in his statements to SPD would not be discovered. After all, after the Collison case, he thought SPD incompetent and unable to fairly handle investigations.

But when the dead kid turned out to have been an innocent bystander that put a different spin on GZ's lies even if at that point it was only in his own mind. I think once GZ found out the truth about the dead kid he knew the enormity of what he had done and his only thought was to run. If he'd had more resources, I bet he would have disappeared.

Then when Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton got representation and the case hit the national media, GZ's defenders - Joe Oliver, Frank Taaffe, GZ's brother and father - trot out to spam the media with their various versions of GZ's stories, still trying to cover his a**.

I think that last week when Sonner and Uhrig were 'representing' GZ, he was in full panic mode. He could see that public opinion was against him, that the attorneys who were supposed to be turning the tide were ineffective, that he was going to be arrested and going to trial. That's when he tried to contact SP Corey, to try to give her his version of events without his 'legal advisors'.

I believe JO when he said GZ thought this would 'blow over' - SPD and the use of SYG have a history that suggests that is what would have happened if Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had not been diligent in seeking justice for their son. Without their attorneys' use of the public media to bring this case to the public, Trayvon Martin's death would have been just another young black man killed with little investigation into the circumstances.

Without Natalie Jackson and the firm of Parks & Crump, GZ would have gotten away with murder. He may still, due to Florida's bizarre laws and the vagaries of the jury system (if the case makes it that far), but if that happens, public opinion will demand changes in the laws and the system.

All of the above is completely IMHO, JMHO, :moo:, etc.

Great post csziggy. I only disagree with one part which I bolded. I don't think there's a snowballs chance in h3ll that he's going to get off on these charges. I think he's going down and the sooner O'Mara gets this show on the road, the sooner he can be found guilty and hopefully sentenced to life in prison.


~jmo~

 

[csziggy]

Some here would have you believe that the bag he was carrying out of jail was filled with cash.

IMO!

That bag had to be filled with all the stuff he bought while in jail! He bought a LOT of junk food that first night. If he'd eaten all of it while in jail, he would have needed that larger size of underwear and would have filled out his suit better at the bond hearing. :floorlaugh:

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[rotterdam]

It appears MOM is trying to protect the witnesses, not GZ in the dump...but MOM already showed his character when he let the minor witnessess name slip from his mouth at the bond hearing..

MOM"s already aware of the five different accounts to GZ's statements and already struck back on that...He doesn't expect GZ to remember every detail, every sequence and will fall to the forensics of this case...so, he's well aware he's got a fight on his hands and also has stated, he's not sure if the SYG defense will be used at this point, he needs the evidence, discovery evidence from the State...

There is no doubt in my mind that MOM will eventually file a motion for SYG later on in this case.
The SYG has a very important feature. It will protect his client from civil law suits in the future. And since I expect there will be quite some serious dough rolling in for GZ and MOM from anonymous donors, that money needs to be protected from outside attacks..
MOM is quite of different caliber than JB. He is smart and slick. It has been very interesting so far to watch him in action. GZ is lucky, indeed , to have him as a lawyer.