17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

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IMO, nothing in this case is simple or done merely for the reason "publicly" which is stated.

IMHO..Everything being done all boils down to being Smoke and Mirrors..
I shudder to think just what exactly is going on behind the scenes in order to protect those involved that night who did not handle the investigation properly.JMHO.
For the record.. I don't trust justice being served to Trayvon or his parents by anyone on any level of Justice in the State of Florida...
IMHO.. It's all staged...It's all just for show... No one really cares about what happened to Trayvon... JMHO
 
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A while back, there was this other trial where, the defense displayed so much incompetence for so long, that I think the prosecution may have become over-confident. Misjudged jury. Misjudged defense strategy. Maybe just a little.

I know not all agree but ... I'm liking the defense here on their toes ... because it means everyone needs to put on their A-game.

And that's just good for justice.

JMHO.

AMEN!

Thank you, Emma.
 
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Heck if I know...LOL! I'm just trying to figure out why in the heck he suddenly needed to give up his home and go into hiding the very next day. Something is off about that.


~jmo~

--do we really know WHEN he initially moved out?

--there are a number of articles (dated march17-march21) w/ the "moved out last week" line.

--that would suggest he took off around the time trayvon's parents attorney(s) got the media in motion.

--i can't seem to find the original "moved out" article on WFTV that is referenced.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249_p3/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html
--March 21/2012

Police Chief Bill Lee said that although police do not encourage watch program volunteers to carry weapons, he recognizes a citizen’s constitutional right to do so. No arrest was made, Lee said, because there was no evidence to disprove Zimmerman’s account.

He has cooperated with the investigation and never retained an attorney, Lee said. His phone numbers are disconnected and no one answered the door at his home or his parents’ home. His in-laws shooed a reporter away. After death threats and an avalanche of hate mail, Lee said Zimmerman went into hiding. Local station WFTV Channel 9 reported that he showed up with a truck last week and moved out.
 
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I keep hearing lawyers give O'Mara high ratings as a professional, the best, ethical.

But the cumulative affect of his apologies has me scratching my head.

He apologizes for the apology saying he didn't know the Martin family didn't want an apology.....

He apologizes for naming a minor witness in court yet we learn from the State inside the same hearing, that O'Mara asked them to hold off on discovery so that they can work out a deal on protecting the witnesses. What's that about? All the witnesses except one? Hmmm

And another, he apologizes for not knowing about $204,000 collected by George Zimmerman.

Any attorney who is going before the court before a bond hearing had better know full well that what they are asserting to the court is true. And when you say your client is of no means you have better know that to be true. He had been talking about closing down all the website activity from very early on. Why didn't he ask his client how much money he collected?

Mr. O'Mara's apologizes are ringing hollow for me at this time. I'm not drinking his Kool-Aid

Reminds me of that old saying to get what you want it is better to beg for forgiveness instead of asking for permission.
something like that.
 
  • #1,165
I think it just means we should refrain from referring to the players by such terms as "_________ and Co.".

Parks & Crump is correct since that is the name of the law firm of Darryl Parks and Benjamin Crump - http://parkscrump.com/. I think it was grandmaj (sp?) who said that was OK to use a few threads back when I asked.
 
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It's not set up yet.

And ... I'm thinking the opposite. I'm thinking MOM expects more funds to roll in thanks to doc dump, so he's delaying doc dump until his donation site is approved and set up.

We still have to hear from the judge regarding his review of paypal acct/bail situation, and MOM's suggestion that GZ defense funds stay in a trust that MOM will keep collecting into.

:cow:

And me wonders if it is the type of trust that will be off limit to any potential civil law suit in the (IMO rare chance) that GZ gets convicted. Many Floridians do like their SYG statute and do not want it watered down. And some of those surely could end up on a jury.
 
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Originally Posted by uvamerica
What could O'Mara possibly have to say that TM's parents want to hear ? I find it very unusual that the lawyer of a defendant keeps calling the victims family lawyer.

O'Mara blurts out GS's name at hearing
O'Mara fails to tell the court about GZ's windfall
O'Mara claims not to know about GZ's website
O'Mara claims not to know that TM's parents said an apology was to little to late at this time MOO

I wouldn't answer his calls either

BEM: -He didn't know about the "windfall" at the hearing, and it's likely there wasn't a "windfall" until bond was set. Only makes sense.
- He didn't know about GZ's website? This is not true, when did he say he didn't know about GZ's website??
- Apology: He knew that after the fact - but even after the fact it was a direct contradiction to what Sybrina said herself just days earlier. She said she wanted an apology and answers. That's exactly what she was given. O'Mara's call to Crump was a courtesy, it was not required. I'll bet he doesn't give them the same courtesy again.
Oops, there's more

O'Mara thinks its "coincidental" that these things (money) happen as they did.

O'Mara exposes the name of a main witness (A MINOR) in open court and then has the audacity to request a delay in discovery to prevent a "media frenzy" around the witnesses.

O'Mara said he was pulling all of GZ's websites as he didn't want him to have any internet presence and two days later makes two new websites for GZ to collect "Defense Fund Money." And who gets the majority of that money...M O'Mara and his firm, that's who.
Do you have a link for this? He said he was setting up a website from his office and taking off all other Internet presence that did not belong to GZ, IIRC.
O'Mara said he didn't want a media circus or for this case to be tried in the media yet almost everyday, since he has come on this case, he has been on one network or another speaking about how his client feels, what TM's family is doing, what TM's parent's Lawyer says and does...
And this is less than one month in...
How is this trying the case in the media, none of that is evidence. Crump is the one giving exclusives and interviewing potential witnesses in the media. Crump is the one that started and continues to mislead by saying "hoodie" was mentioned in the 911 call. Crump is the one who made this about race and enlisted 4 other lawyers, Congress, celebrities, and civil rights leaders to make this about race. Crump is the one who marketed this case as being about an incarcerated monster who killed a 14 yr. old child. The list is endless.

As far as the circus is concerned, Crump is the ring leader.

JMO
 
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Why is that? Crump didn't deny that O'Mara had called him days before the bond hearing, not once but twice; instead, Crump just changed the subject.

Just curious, is there some rule that a victim's attorney must return phone calls from the man who represents the killer of his clients' son?

Perhaps Crump and his clients simply felt that anything coming from Mr. Zimmerman or his representative was highly suspect at best, and didn't care to hear it. After that so-called "apology", I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment.
 
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George Zimmerman Police Call w. Time Stamps and Notes - YouTube Also notice when the tapping starts. If you listen close, the taps begin (three light taps) when he is saying the word 'Uhmm' = 3) TIME 7:12:32 Dispatch: Where are you goin to meet with them at? Zimmerman: "Um = 3 light taps) if they come in through the uh....(taptap....taptap = 4) gate ."Tell them to go straight past the clubhouse....(taptaptaptaptap = 5) and uh.....(then a waiting pause as distracted) + screech sound ) then back to dispatch. Zimmerman: "straight past the clubhouse..and make a left."

There were FIVE taps the second time not FOUR. If it is urgent and you want to get someones attention you start tapping. See first round of tapping sounds. = (taptap / taptap) = 4 taps. To try again repeat the act, plus add 1. (tap/tap/tap/tap/tap) = 5. Just to be sure. Make the second set of tapping not only more numerous, be sure to make them louder. Add the pause of a few seconds between the first set of taps and the second, while at the same time making a vocal pause in your attempt to answer a simple question from the police dispatch = you are distracted. This would appear that 'something' was going on behind the scenes that was caught on tape yet has been missed. This starts at 7:12:32 and sound is not heard anywhere else. IMO those sounds are created by Zimmerman and it sounds more like the tapping on a screen door and not taps from the dispatcher's keyboard. I hope future posts will have more info to give credence to the thought of someone helping GZ to corner TM.
Morris code? I have no idea how someone typing on a keyboard leads one to believe GZ had an accomplice? Have you counted out the taps in the other calls? Maybe a comparison would give more credence to this "tapping" theory? Just a suggestion. JMO
 
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Maybe he panicked when he found out that the suspicious black man in a hoodie he killed was really just a kid out for a walk and not a burglar or criminal? A kid from a good family who was a guest in the subdivision with every right to be there?

I think GZ was convinced that night he was justified in killing the unknown person and that SYG would protect him. Then he finds out that all the assumptions he made while on the phone to SPD were wrong and there was a good chance that SYG would not be a slam dunk defense and a get out of jail free card. I wonder if he thought the death would not be carefully examined so any lies he made in his statements to SPD would not be discovered. After all, after the Collison case, he thought SPD incompetent and unable to fairly handle investigations.

But when the dead kid turned out to have been an innocent bystander that put a different spin on GZ's lies even if at that point it was only in his own mind. I think once GZ found out the truth about the dead kid he knew the enormity of what he had done and his only thought was to run. If he'd had more resources, I bet he would have disappeared.

Then when Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton got representation and the case hit the national media, GZ's defenders - Joe Oliver, Frank Taaffe, GZ's brother and father - trot out to spam the media with their various versions of GZ's stories, still trying to cover his a**.

I think that last week when Sonner and Uhrig were 'representing' GZ, he was in full panic mode. He could see that public opinion was against him, that the attorneys who were supposed to be turning the tide were ineffective, that he was going to be arrested and going to trial. That's when he tried to contact SP Corey, to try to give her his version of events without his 'legal advisors'.

I believe JO when he said GZ thought this would 'blow over' - SPD and the use of SYG have a history that suggests that is what would have happened if Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had not been diligent in seeking justice for their son. Without their attorneys' use of the public media to bring this case to the public, Trayvon Martin's death would have been just another young black man killed with little investigation into the circumstances.

Without Natalie Jackson and the firm of Parks & Crump, GZ would have gotten away with murder. He may still, due to Florida's bizarre laws and the vagaries of the jury system (if the case makes it that far), but if that happens, public opinion will demand changes in the laws and the system.

All of the above is completely IMHO, JMHO, :moo:, etc.

I wonder when the subject of SYG first came up, and who suggested it? GZ, Chief Lee, Wolfinger, RZsr? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.


:moo:
 
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Great post csziggy. I only disagree with one part which I bolded. I don't think there's a snowballs chance in h3ll that he's going to get off on these charges. I think he's going down and the sooner O'Mara gets this show on the road, the sooner he can be found guilty and hopefully sentenced to life in prison.


~jmo~
I dearly hope you are right but SYG cases much more egregious than this one have let people off without consequences. I hope the public pressure of this case will force the state to take the case up through the courts and get this wretched law overturned if that happens.

The Florida SYG law scares me - people who should have been locked up in prison are out on the streets still having the right to carry a gun because of it. This does not make me feel safer and neither do the concealed carry laws that let people carry weapons almost everywhere. I just don't understand the paranoia that makes people feel they need to do this.

IMO, JMO, etc.
 
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- Apology: He knew that after the fact - but even after the fact it was a direct contradiction to what Sybrina said herself just days earlier. She said she wanted an apology and answers. That's exactly what she was given. O'Mara's call to Crump was a courtesy, it was not required. I'll bet he doesn't give them the same courtesy again.

SBM. It wasn't an apology, it was excuses imo.
 
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Just curious, is there some rule that a victim's attorney must return phone calls from the man who represents the killer of his clients' son?

Perhaps Crump and his clients simply felt that anything coming from Mr. Zimmerman or his representative was highly suspect at best, and didn't care to hear it. After that so-called "apology", I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment.
JMO/IMO

I think Benjamin Crump has done a good job in protecting and helping grieving parents. It is not his job to help or assist the defendant.

Had Mark O'Mara truly wanted a quick answer, maybe a more efficient way of communicating would have been by email, with a quick "heads up" phone call/message that an email was sent.

I'm not of the mind that Benjamin Crump needs to be at the defense's beck and call.
 
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I wonder when the subject of SYG first came up, and who suggested it? GZ, Chief Lee, Wolfinger, RZsr? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.


:moo:
Oh, I bet GZ was well aware of the law. It had been in the news for various cases, including the Dooley case - the hearing for that case was just a couple of days before TM's killing:
Hearing in 'stand your ground' case draws to a close
By John Barry, Times Staff Writer
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 12:38 PM
TAMPA — A judge has given prosecutors and defense attorneys until late March to submit written arguments over whether 71-year-old Trevor Dooley was legally entitled to kill his Valrico neighbor during an argument over skateboarding on a basketball court.

Dooley's attorneys have asked the judge to throw out a manslaughter charge, saying he is protected by Florida's "stand your ground" law. The law allows people to use deadly force to save their own lives, even if retreat is possible.

Testimony before Hillsborough Circuit Judge Ashley Moody concluded Friday — a day after both the defendant and the victim's 10-year-old daughter testified about what happened in September 2010 on a basketball court in the Twin Lakes neighborhood.

Danielle James, the daughter of victim David James, 41, said she remembered little about the shooting except seeing the two men argue over a skateboarder, then topple together to the ground in a struggle. What she remembered most was hearing a gunshot.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...and-your-ground-case-draws-to-a-close/1216939
 
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ase-article-1.1069862?localLinksEnabled=false

Once witness protections are in place, "discovery will flow to us, then the media and the public has access to it, under our rules," O'Mara said.

Over the past week, O'Mara also launched new Twitter and Facebook accounts, and said he was fighting to have fake accounts taken down.

"We understand that it is unusual for a legal defense to maintain a social media presence on behalf of a defendant, but we also acknowledge that this is a very unusual case," the website reads, adding that "social media in this day and age cannot be ignored."
 
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http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/...cle_b94953b7-2081-5091-929b-fbb098003dc3.html
Judge seeks info on $200,000 sent to Zimmerman



--if donations are considered "internet gifts"---does that make them tax exempt?

I do not think MOM set up the website as a non profit so they would be taxable.
IMO under the IRS gift tax provision.
snipped:
What can be excluded from gifts?
The general rule is that any gift is a taxable gift. However, there are many exceptions to this rule. Generally, the following gifts are not taxable gifts.

Gifts that are not more than the annual exclusion for the calendar year.
Tuition or medical expenses you pay for someone (the educational and medical exclusions).
Gifts to your spouse.
Gifts to a political organization for its use.
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  • #1,179
We don't see the prosecutors out there in the streets in front of microphones at every given opportunity. If it hadn't been for Crump and Parks, there wouldn't be a case to discuss.


~jmo~

Good point!
 
  • #1,180
So you believe O'Mara can't win? Interesting.

Yup. Every single thing he does is met with the dramatic rhetoric of Crump and Sharpton. Like Rev Al said, " We will be watching closely." It will be a a very high profile case taking on a life of it's own. imo
 
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