17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[Desdemona]

Because she is a VICTIM and not a seasoned, experienced public speaker as O'Mara is expected to be with all the good reputation and professionalism everyone is praising.

I think Sybrina is a very genuine, eloquent, and moving speaker, when she speaks for herself. She has my admiration and sympathy. JMO


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ETA: I'm an accidental copycat here. I had not seen beach's similar sentiments when I posted this.

 

[grammieto5]

The fact of the matter is if it was the prosecutor that made the slip up, he would be given the benefit of the doubt on here, but because MOM has the title of 'defense lawyer', no such benefit of the doubt is given.

Well I disagree. Anyone who puts a minor in danger is in the wrong, regardless of what side they are on.

 

[Elley Mae]

Are you implying that someone involved in this case wouldn't be hired if the employers saw the FB?

Not at all, just saying that employers do look at potential employees social sites before hiring. jmo

 

[Velouria]

Given the benefit of the doubt by whom? IIRC.. She wasn't given the benefit of the doubt by those here who have been defending GZ's actions since day one...Most everyone I am speaking of was chomping at the bit eagerly stating SB (herself) thinks it was just an accident.JMHO..

THANK YOU, Emeralgem. That was my recall also, as in no benefit of the doubt being given at all. It was more like an opportunity to start picking the parents apart again, IMO.

 

[highflyer]

With all due respect, how many defense attorneys do you know? I know and have worked with hundreds. They are at least as honorable as DAs. (Look at all the cases of innocent persons still held in prison because DAs refuse to allow DNA testing or the like. Let's don't sentimentalize the "honor" of prosecutors.)

But to the extent "it's all a game", keep in mind that their opponent (the State) got to write the rules of that game. So if a defense counsel exploits any loophole s/he can find, s/he is already playing against the odds and is in fact doing his or her job.

(With regard to mentioning the g.f.'s name, I think that was just a mistake. O'Mara had no way of predicting the consequences of revealing her name (and in fact her name was already available on the internet); for all he knew, public pressure might lead to a further hardening of her attitude against GZ.

NOBODY, regardless of what he makes per hour, can stand and talk for over an hour without misspeaking a few times.)

Are you an attorney Nova?

 

[Karmady]

I don't know her name. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter or any other social media.

Than you would not be among those who would be included in the people I was referring to in my post -- those who care to know or otherwise have easy access to the information on the social media or the internet, in general. I guess I am missing your point. Mine was that if people wanted to know, they would know regardless of what O'Mara said in court. It wasn't a secret by any stretch. No harm, no foul.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Her name was not mentioned on the WS radio broadcast where I first heard a hint about the possibility that there was something hinky about Crump's presentation of her and the phone call. I easily found the information, without knowing her name. Name not required. Anyone with a Google search bar could find out what was being alleged. JMO

BBM. Sorry, I guess I'm confused. To me that's sleuthing a minor. :waitasec:

 

[Desdemona]

I was just pointing out that it is a misconception that is being repeated over and over that Trayvon's mother asked for an apology.

She never did.

IYO, IMO. :angel:

 

[Nova]

How many days did O'Mara have to prepare for the bond hearing?

How many cases has he had where the defendant had a paypal account with hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations? (My guess is none.)

I realize the oversight here seems egregious, but even Nancy Grace has said it really made no difference. Bail is determined by a number of factors, most of which have to do with severity of the crime charged and whether the defendant is a flight risk, not the defendant's cash-on-hand.

And since O'Mara put the cash into a trust fund, GZ can't really use it to flee the country, can he?

 

[katydid23]

BBM. Sorry, I guess I'm confused. To me that's sleuthing a minor. :waitasec:

I was sleuthing Crump, and his version of events, and came upon information that makes it appear he might be lying. But I never sleuthed a minor at all.

 

[Donjeta]

Than you would not be among those who would be included in the people I was referring to in my post -- those who care to know or otherwise have easy access to the information on the social media or the internet, in general. I guess I am missing your point. Mine was that if people wanted to know, they would know regardless of what O'Mara said in court. It wasn't a secret by any stretch. No harm, no foul.

Is he a bit of a hypocrite then trying to look so benevolent and protective of the witnesses if his reasoning is that the names are already out there and the damage is done, it doesn't matter if I "slip" them out?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

IYO, IMO. :angel:

No, it is not in my opinion, she did not say she would ask him that period. She was capable of saying I would ask when she stated what she would ask him.


If you were to come face to face with George Zimmerman, what do you want to tell him? What do you want to ask him?


Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done. Um, I believe that it was a(n) accident, I believe that uh, it just got out of control, and he couldn't turn the clock back.

Um, I would ask him: Did he know that that was a minor? That that was a teenager, and that he did not have a weapon?

Um, I would ask him, that I understand that his family is hurting, but think about our family, that lost our teenage son; I mean it's just very difficult to live with day in and day out. Um, I'm sure that his parents can pick up the phone and call him, but we can't pick up the phone and call Trayvon any more.

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[Nova]

Are you an attorney Nova?

No, but some of my best friends...

Seriously, I worked in legal support for over 20 years. And my husband worked for Gerry Spence's Trial Lawyer College, so I got to attend numerous workshops where working defense attorneys were trained.

You should hear what they deal with on a daily basis! The barriers to a fair defense are numerous and it's very rare that the defense lawyer has even a fraction of the resources available to the DA.

And one close friend handles appeals for the California public defender's office. You should hear her on the subject of prosecutorial error and the backflips judges do to excuse such misconduct. Talk about a stacked deck!

Despite a couple of famous acquittals, the great majority of defendants who go to trial are convicted. (Of course, even more take plea bargains because juries are so unpredictable, but they too are convicted.)

ETA: I should be clear that I think most prosecutors are also devoted to achieving justice. What happens among lawyers is what happens in these threads: the opinions of adversaries harden during debate until both sides tend to see each new fact in the light most advantageous to their side.

 

[Desdemona]

BBM. Sorry, I guess I'm confused. To me that's sleuthing a minor. :waitasec:

Well, I was not sleuthing a minor when I discovered the information. Sorry for your confusion. JMO

 

[jjenny]

How many days did O'Mara have to prepare for the bond hearing?

How many cases has he had where the defendant had a paypal account with hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations? (My guess is none.)

I realize the oversight here seems egregious, but even Nancy Grace has said it really made no difference. Bail is determined by a number of factors, most of which have to do with severity of the crime charged and whether the defendant is a flight risk, not the defendant's cash-on-hand.

And since O'Mara put the cash into a trust fund, GZ can't really use it to flee the country, can he?

ITA.
I never heard of a murder defendant getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations for their defense/living expenses. And lets face it - publicly not many people support GZ so why would anyone expect that many people wanted to help him? I really doubt MOM had any idea of how much money there was.

 

[highflyer]

Than you would not be among those who would be included in the people I was referring to in my post -- those who care to know or otherwise have easy access to the information on the social media or the internet, in general. I guess I am missing your point. Mine was that if people wanted to know, they would know regardless of what O'Mara said in court. It wasn't a secret by any stretch. No harm, no foul.

Then people who use facebook and twitter get a pass on not sleuthing minors? I missed that. And because of facebook and twitter it doesn't matter what falls out of O'Mara's mouth? So it is all the fault of social media?

 

[LambChop]

I truly believe MOM may not have known about the money. But I do think GZ knew and I believe his family were aware of money come in also. Maybe not the exact amount but it would have been easy for them to check before the bond hearing. IMO one of the members of the family may be quite aware of how the game is played. It will be interesting to see if the majority of that money was from an interview. But that is JMO.

 

[highflyer]

No, but some of my best friends...

Seriously, I worked in legal support for over 20 years. And my husband worked for Gerry Spence's Trial Lawyer College, so I got to attend numerous workshops where working defense attorneys were trained.

You should hear what they deal with on a daily basis! The barriers to a fair defense are numerous and it's very rare that the defense lawyer has even a fraction of the resources available to the DA.

And one close friend handles appeals for the California public defender's office. You should hear her on the subject of prosecutorial error and the backflips judges do to excuse such misconduct. Talk about a stacked deck!

Despite a couple of famous acquittals, the great majority of defendants who go to trial are convicted. (Of course, even more take plea bargains because juries are so unpredictable, but they too are convicted.)

ETA: I should be clear that I think most prosecutors are also devoted to achieving justice. What happens among lawyers is what happens in these threads: the opinions of adversaries harden during debate until both sides tend to see each new fact in the light most advantageous to their side.

Thank you.

 

[Nova]

Is he a bit of a hypocrite then trying to look so benevolent and protective of the witnesses if his reasoning is that the names are already out there and the damage is done, it doesn't matter if I "slip" them out?

I don't think O'Mara took that attitude or that the OP meant to say O'Mara did.

Karmody was merely stating a fact that the info had already been made public.

O'Mara knew immediately he had misspoken and said so.

 

[Karmady]

Is he a bit of a hypocrite then trying to look so benevolent and protective of the witnesses if his reasoning is that the names are already out there and the damage is done, it doesn't matter if I "slip" them out?

I guess that depends on whether you believe he slipped or not. Personally, I don't care whether he did or what the rationale for redacting the rest of the witness information is. There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, imo. I'm not going to keep score on that front unless it involves something that is meaningful from my perspective. Disclosing the girl's name is not meaningful to me, for the reasons I mentioned. jmo