17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[mercuriod]

Well I don't know. Nobody ever donated anything into my papal account.:tears:

LOL, mine either :tears:, but hey if anyone wants to just let me know!

 

[LambChop]

jenny, I don't believe most defense attorneys make "a lot of money". It's just that the ones we see on TV are very successful, handle high profile cases and can charge high fees.

Here's a site with some figures:

http://www.ehow.com/info_7834484_average-salary-criminal-defense-attorney.html


The average yearly income for a defense attorney in Florida is just over $80K. That's very much in line with other jobs that require advanced degrees, including engineers and college professors.

(Graduates from the best schools can often find jobs that start at over $100K. Partners in large firms can make $500K to several million per year, but we're talking about the most elite.)

And the staff work their buttski's off for what they get paid and earn every penny of it. lol

 

[rossva]

Exactly.

IANAL but wouldn't the GF be a direct witness to whatever she heard in the conversation? If she said heard someone say "There's a black dog" would be evidence that someone said there was a black dog, but it wouldn't be considered as evidence that there was a black dog because it would be hearsay.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

BTW, FYI, FWIW:

My OP (which you are quoting here in part) was in response to someone dissing GZ for offering only condolences for the loss of her son, and not an apology. ---> My post was intended to point out that she got what she asked for -- which was NOT an apology, but rather condolences and the answers to the two questions. JMO

A snip from my OP:

A statement like "I am sorry I shot your son" would unfortunately be used unfairly to attack his self-defense defense. I believe GZ feels terrible about what happened, and respectfully gave the victim's mother exactly what she asked for, without sacrificing himself to a possible life in prison for something he claims he didn't to: commit murder.

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Nevertheless, be it my opinion and yours as well, it is still an opinion; an interpretation as to whether or not she intended to answer the question with a request for an apology. We're just guessing, as we don't have Sybrina here to ask. JMO

--
ETA: ... That I know of.

There is no question in this statement. That is a fact.

Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done. Um, I believe that it was a(n) accident, I believe that uh, it just got out of control, and he couldn't turn the clock back.

 

[rossva]

Wow. "Everything you do is a mistake?' Can you document even one other (proven) mistake MOM has made?

You certainly are not able to charge $400 an hour if you make mistakes.

Did his accidental slip of saying the GF's name hurt his defense of Zimmerman in any way shape form or manner?

Again, WOW, "all these mistakes". Links please.

You don't get paid $400 per hour for very long if everything you do is a mistake. IMO.

He is someone's defense lawyer. He really needs to pay more attention if he's making all these mistakes completely unintentionally.

 

[Karmady]

Personally, I don't think he's worth <modsnip> but that's just me.



~jmo~

As of right now, he's worth at least 10% of $850,000, plus the value of not spending another day in jail or in Florida pending the outcome of the proceedings, at least. I thing George is getting a bargain, so far. jmo

 

[suzihawk]

LOL, mine either :tears:, but hey if anyone wants to just let me know!

You gotta kill somebody to rake in the big bucks. Just claim it was self defense... no worries.

 

[Emeralgem]

He had a phone card, you can call and get your balance from paypal.

How often are prisoners allowed to use the phone.? Wanna bet first thing he did when he was allowed to use the phone was check to see how much money had been added to that paypal account since he had last checked...JMHO

 

[rossva]

semantics

looks to me as though she is asking for an apology

She never asked him to apologize.

From your post up thread:

"Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done."

 

[LambChop]

Apples and oranges. Most defense lawyers make a lot of money. Most murder defendants do not make a lot of money in donations.

Of all the attorneys in a law office I would think the defense attorney brings in the least. Quoting again from above "most murder defendants to not make a lot of money" which is true and in particular if they can't make their bail. Very few defendants can work from jail and make monies to pay their attorney bills. I think you will find other attorneys in the law office are the ones pulling in the funds to keep the office from going under. jmo

 

[mercuriod]

You gotta kill somebody to rake in the big bucks. Just claim it was self defense... no worries.

Seems there is a certain demographic I would have to go for in order to rake in the really big bucks.

 

[LambChop]

semantics

looks to me as though she is asking for an apology




From your post up thread:

"Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done."

I guess what we think really does not matter to Sybrina. What matters is did she think it was a sincere and genuine apology. Obviously she did not. jmo

 

[Desdemona]

I think she will be their star witness.

Maybe, maybe not.

Why do you think she won't be called?

:lipssealed:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

semantics

looks to me as though she is asking for an apology




From your post up thread:

"Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done."

Two part question and Sybrina answers it in two parts in the order it was asked. First she answers the part of what would you tell him.


Ann Curry: Tracy and Sybrina, either of you can take this question:

If you were to come face to face with George Zimmerman, what do you want to tell him? What do you want to ask him?


Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done. Um, I believe that it was a(n) accident, I believe that uh, it just got out of control, and he couldn't turn the clock back.



The she answers the part what would you ask him.



Um, I would ask him: Did he know that that was a minor? That that was a teenager, and that he did not have a weapon?

Um, I would ask him, that I understand that his family is hurting, but think about our family, that lost our teenage son; I mean it's just very difficult to live with day in and day out. Um, I'm sure that his parents can pick up the phone and call him, but we can't pick up the phone and call Trayvon any more.

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It is not semantics, it is plain english.

 

[Emeralgem]

semantics

looks to me as though she is asking for an apology




From your post up thread:

"Sybrina: Um, one of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they're really, when they're actually remorseful for what they've done."

BBM Drk red


IMHO.. Under those circumstances GZ statement wouldn't even begin to qualify as being an apology..JMHO

 

[Donjeta]

Wow. "Everything you do is a mistake?' Can you document even one other (proven) mistake MOM has made?

You certainly are not able to charge $400 an hour if you make mistakes.

Did his accidental slip of saying the GF's name hurt his defense of Zimmerman in any way shape form or manner?

Again, WOW, "all these mistakes". Links please.

That was my point. He does not make any mistakes, IMO. If it appears he did I bet ten bucks it benefits his clients somehow. It was no accidental slip.

 

[Just K]

BBM: Seems to me that you have "sleuthed" this particular minor and are now trying to suggest that there is something so horribly wrong with her life that she will never take the stand to hide something about herself.

All I can say is WOW, guess O'Mara got just what he wanted when he "accidentally" broadcast her name on national TV, complete strangers trying to dig up dirt on a minor.

Keep in mind, she will never forget any of that phone call. Two years from now, or one year, whatever date it comes to trial...she will be that much older and that much more mature.

No matter what anyone thinks they know about her's and Trayvon's private life, it has nothing to do with GZ's paranoid reaction to a scene that could have been repeated a thousand times a day in ten different cities. No one but GZ took it upon themselves to call the police on a kid who was having a private conversation, while he walked home, took shelter from the rain, and covered his head with the hood of his jacket to stay warm & dry.

There is a double standard here and that is why the SA included the word "profiled." Because any of a number of teenagers, in neighborhoods across this country, might be going through the same situation, whatever that is, and their boyfriend chooses to take a walk and talk through it...whatever it is...good or bad.

 

[Desdemona]

BBM: Seems to me that you have "sleuthed" this particular minor and are now trying to suggest that there is something so horribly wrong with her life that she will never take the stand to hide something about herself.

All I can say is WOW, guess O'Mara got just what he wanted when he "accidentally" broadcast her name on national TV, complete strangers trying to dig up dirt on a minor.

Your impression is mistaken IMO. The OP's phrase "what was going on in her life" does not refer to anything wrong, horribly or otherwise. Just stuff that does not match Crump's scenario and timeline; nothing that would reflect poorly on the GF. JMO

And the information could not possibly have resulted from O'M's slip, as it was all online well before the bond hearing. JMO

 

[rossva]

As you did not attach a link, I am assuming that is just your opinion.

"Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman charged with second-degree murder, turns himself in"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html

"SANFORD, Fla. (AP/CBS) - The man charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon Martin's death has arrived at a Florida jail after turning himself in."

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17391998/zimmerman-arrives-at-jail-after-turning-self-in

"Bail is not unheard of in second-degree murder cases, and legal experts had predicted it would be granted for Zimmerman because of his ties to the community, because he turned himself in after he was charged last week, and because he has never been convicted of a serious crime."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-zimmerman-released-fla-jail-16192275

He didn't turn himself in, as per Mark O'Mara. He reportedly wanted to talk about his safety and the arrest took him by surprise.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Are Crump's statements evidence?