17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[Allusonz]

MOM is to be blamed for this as well? When this witness testimony could of been handled discretely?

ABC exclusive

"ABC News was there exclusively as the 16-year-old girl told Crump about the last moments of the teenager's life. Martin had been talking to his girlfriend all the way to the store where he bought Skittles and a tea. The phone was in his pocket and the earphone in his ear, Crump said. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017

 

[lauriej]

As you did not attach a link, I am assuming that is just your opinion.

"Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman charged with second-degree murder, turns himself in"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html

"SANFORD, Fla. (AP/CBS) - The man charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon Martin's death has arrived at a Florida jail after turning himself in."

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17391998/zimmerman-arrives-at-jail-after-turning-self-in

"Bail is not unheard of in second-degree murder cases, and legal experts had predicted it would be granted for Zimmerman because of his ties to the community, because he turned himself in after he was charged last week, and because he has never been convicted of a serious crime."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-zimmerman-released-fla-jail-16192275

--a link for 'Donjeta'.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...y-lawyer-tells/story?id=16123136#.T5CjUNVIt84
--video--April 12/2012

Reporter Matt Guttman--"zimmerman's attorney tells ABC News his client was blindsided when he was charged."


--article--

The lawyer [O'Mara] has expressed fears for Zimmerman's safety and he said Zimmerman went to the prosecutor's office in Jacksonville Wednesday out of concern for his safety, unaware he would be arrested and charged with murder.

--happening to be there when arrested-----is not the same as "turning himself in".
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[rossva]

My repeated requests for some one to supply links to five different stories from Zimmerman have been ignored. Hopefully your request will garner an answer.

I heard three taped statements - were there two additional? Do you know where this came from? TIA

 

[Desdemona]

Is there a link that states Trayvon was on top of GZ and it was GZ's screams for help? It was determined by professionals that the screams were coming from Trayvon.

I wish GZ hadn't wasted his time apologizing either because it was obviously not sincere and it was not what Trayvon's family wanted to hear and I don't blame them one bit.

BBM: And yet that professional determination failed to give the State's investigator any insight as to the voice on the recordings. How does that work? JMO

 

[kimpage]

Guess who is gonna be on a show tonight?????? MOM the one who said he would not try the case in the media...SHOCKED NOT!!!!!!!!!!! IMHO JMHO and all that

 

[Donjeta]

As you did not attach a link, I am assuming that is just your opinion.

"Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman charged with second-degree murder, turns himself in"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2742694/trayvon-martin-shooter-george.html

"SANFORD, Fla. (AP/CBS) - The man charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon Martin's death has arrived at a Florida jail after turning himself in."

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17391998/zimmerman-arrives-at-jail-after-turning-self-in

"Bail is not unheard of in second-degree murder cases, and legal experts had predicted it would be granted for Zimmerman because of his ties to the community, because he turned himself in after he was charged last week, and because he has never been convicted of a serious crime."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-zimmerman-released-fla-jail-16192275

You might assume but you might be wrong.

O'Mara told ABC News he is preparing for a long court battle that could leave Zimmerman in jail for up to a year.

The lawyer has expressed fears for Zimmerman's safety and he said Zimmerman went to the prosecutor's office in Jacksonville Wednesday out of concern for his safety, unaware he would be arrested and charged with murder.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...y-lawyer-tells/story?id=16123136#.T58gftVIt86

 

[rossva]

It can also be inferred that she was, in fact, referring to Zimmerman, and was asking for an apology. IMO

She said one should apologize if one is truly remorseful.

From that it can be inferred that one should probably not apologize if it's just for show.

 

[Nova]

BBM. No, no it does not prove that. All it proves is her claim that she was on the phone with Martin at that time. She is not an expert to testify as to Martin's state of mind. She did not witness Zimmerman approaching Martin.

Well, we'll see what is allowed. But if she is allowed to relate the conversation she was having with TM, then a jury might reasonably infer from the discussion that TM was not following GZ and did not jump him.

I know *I* would be unlikely to conclude that a boy chatting affectionately with his g.f. was also stalking another resident of the complex. For one thing, stalking usually requires stealth, i.e., not talking.

 

[Aedrys]

Well, MOM has plenty of time to redeem himself. lol Let's see how fast he bounces back. Personally I think MOM has his hands full with GZ. jmo

I agree. He does have his hands full with GZ, no doubt. I also think MOM is doing some legal tapdancing of his own. I think he's coming off like he's not as smart as he really is. I think he knows exactly what he's doing. I just hope he doesn't overestimate his control over GZ or this situation. He should treat GZ at all times like the wild card he is. Honestly, I think the trial is going to be very interesting.

 

[Nova]

Of all the attorneys in a law office I would think the defense attorney brings in the least. Quoting again from above "most murder defendants to not make a lot of money" which is true and in particular if they can't make their bail. Very few defendants can work from jail and make monies to pay their attorney bills. I think you will find other attorneys in the law office are the ones pulling in the funds to keep the office from going under. jmo

I believe your point is correct, but we should qualify that you mean "most criminal defense attorneys". Attorneys who defend large corporations in civil suits (the lawyers I've worked for most of the time) make quite a bit of money: small fortunes, in fact.

 

[rotterdam]

Of all the attorneys in a law office I would think the defense attorney brings in the least. Quoting again from above "most murder defendants to not make a lot of money" which is true and in particular if they can't make their bail. Very few defendants can work from jail and make monies to pay their attorney bills. I think you will find other attorneys in the law office are the ones pulling in the funds to keep the office from going under. jmo

Not what I experienced. I found family law practices a lot more reasonable than criminal defense attorneys. Needed one for my son at one time.

 

[Donjeta]

It can also be inferred that she was, in fact, referring to Zimmerman, and was asking for an apology. IMO

*IF* he was feeling genuinely remorseful.
Which is very doubtful, based on his eventual "apology" and his website. JIMOO.

 

[rossva]

What you call facts may or may not be facts, but have absolutely no bearing on MOM and Crums interactions. They may have bearing on MOM and the Prosecutions interactions, but zero to do with MOM and Crump. If you want to post every possible failing you think MOM has, please, feel free. But don't claim to be answering a question that you are not answering.

My Quote:
Originally Posted by Just K View Post
Oops, there's more

O'Mara thinks its "coincidental" that these things (money) happen as they did.

O'Mara exposes the name of a main witness (A MINOR) in open court and then has the audacity to request a delay in discovery to prevent a "media frenzy" around the witnesses.

O'Mara said he was pulling all of GZ's websites as he didn't want him to have any internet presence and two days later makes two new websites for GZ to collect "Defense Fund Money." And who gets the majority of that money...M O'Mara and his firm, that's who.

O'Mara said he didn't want a media circus or for this case to be tried in the media yet almost everyday, since he has come on this case, he has been on one network or another speaking about how his client feels, what TM's family is doing, what TM's parent's Lawyer says and does...

And this is less than one month in...(End Qoute)

Just adding to the list from the post I quoted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by uvamerica View Post
What could O'Mara possibly have to say that TM's parents want to hear ? I find it very unusual that the lawyer of a defendant keeps calling the victims family lawyer.

O'Mara blurts out GS's name at hearing
O'Mara fails to tell the court about GZ's windfall
O'Mara claims not to know about GZ's website
O'Mara claims not to know that TM's parents said an apology was to little to late at this time MOO

I wouldn't answer his calls either (End Quote)


Facts are facts. The intent is just to keep track of the fancy footwork and to show that what is being done is fairly transparent to anyone who is really paying attention.

 

[Desdemona]

I am just going by what the detective said in the bond hearing about the evidence in the case. He said it was pretty much Zimmerman's statements that day and the place the body and shell casing was found.

But, but, but...

:waitasec: I thought it was prevailing theory that the State was oh-so-clever in not revealing all of their cards to O'M at the bond hearing... JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, we'll see what is allowed. But if she is allowed to relate the conversation she was having with TM, then a jury might reasonably infer from the discussion that TM was not following GZ and did not jump him.

I know *I* would be unlikely to conclude that a boy chatting affectionately with his g.f. was also stalking another resident of the complex. For one thing, stalking usually requires stealth, i.e., not talking.

I agree.. GZ proved to me on that 911 call he wasn't able to stalk TM and talk to dispatch...JMHO

 

[rossva]

You are wrong.

1) Even if he was able to use a phone card to call PayPal, unless he had his PayPal account numbers memorized, they wouldn't give him any info.

2) Whether or not he purchased phone cards, he couldn't use them at the facility he was at.

3) PayPal would not accept collect calls.

http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/JailInmateFq.aspx

5.Can inmates receive telephone calls?

Incoming calls or messages to the inmate will not be accepted. However inmates have access to telephones during the day and can only call you collect.

So, unless you have a link saying he could use (not just purchase) calling cards, I will believe the guidelines set by Seminole County Correctional Facilities.

He had a phone card, you can call and get your balance from paypal.

 

[rotterdam]

$400 per hour is a pretty standard fee for high profile defense cases.

$400 is pretty standard for a high caliber defense attorney regardless if high profile case or not. Trying to remember JB's hourly rate at the beginning of the Caylee case. $150 per hour seems to stick in my mind, but not absolutely sure.

 

[Nova]

Actually it always gets rounded up to the nearest half hour when totaled , if I recall. Then there are those additional expenses on top of the hourly rate. I believe MOM stated it could easily average out at 1000 bucks an hour.
That 400 bucks an hour are just the bare bones.

BBM: Clients who can afford $400/hour lawyers stopped putting up with that nonsense years ago, AFAIK. When I last worked for a law firm 8 years ago, we were billing in 1/10s of an hour, or every six minutes. (And that was the largest firm in the world at the time, a British firm with very wealthy clients.)

And attorneys were expected to absorb a lot of expenses for which they used to bill (including secretarial help).

But O'Mara will certainly have at least one co-counsel, and maybe a second to "handle" the client: that's another $400/hour or so right there just for junior counsel. Add in a paralegal and a jury consultant (I'm being conservative in estimating the total staff) and you're already close to $1,000/hour. Notice I've said nothing about paid expert witnesses.

Then O'Mara will bill for every copy made, every long-distance call made or fax sent, messenger fees for taking documents to court (and there will be truckloads of paper), transportation expenses, hotel and meal allowances if the trial is not held very close to where his office is located. Etc. and so forth.

He's right that $200K won't begin to cover it.

But if all this sounds like a lot, compare it to the SA's staff, including police, attorneys, investigators, et al.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You are wrong.

1) Even if he was able to use a phone card to call PayPal, unless he had his PayPal account numbers memorized, they wouldn't give him any info.

2) Whether or not he purchased phone cards, he couldn't use them at the facility he was at.

3) PayPal would not accept collect calls.

http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/JailInmateFq.aspx

5.Can inmates receive telephone calls?

Incoming calls or messages to the inmate will not be accepted. However inmates have access to telephones during the day and can only call you collect.

So, unless you have a link saying he could use (not just purchase) calling cards, I will believe the guidelines set by Seminole County Correctional Facilities.

Wonder why they sell phone cards at the jail?

 

[pcrum12]

I think it was big of GZ to offer an apology, whether it is viewed as condolences or not, to people who spent the prior 50 days calling him a racist and a cold blooded murderer in front of the entire free world - people who continue to call him both at churches, rallies, and press conferences. People who said nothing when a $10,000 bounty was put on his head.

What we do know, according to witnesses and has never been disputed by Crump or his clients, is TM was on top of GZ refusing to let him retreat. Just as one might feel GZ had no right to shoot TM, TM had no right to hold someone down who was begging for help. I think it was mighty big of GZ to swallow his pride and give condolences to the parents. I can agree with everyone in this regard, I wish he hadn't wasted his time.

JMO

BBM: Totally AGREE!