17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[tehcloser]

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For a house gun I heard that an AR15 (16 inch barrel) is better than a shotgun. just sayin

:what: Dear Lord......are you expecting the Bin ladens?

 

[vlpate]

The family said they were never told about a jewelry situation and their attorney suggested it was not true (why would he not have been arrested). And if he was found to have a pipe, that is a crime in itself and he would have been arrested. I never saw the pipe referenced before (the jewelry was, but it was said that the police could find no record that it was stolen). If there is a school police report, there would be an arrest for the pipe, IMO. They don't have their own legal system in the schools, suspension does not make a "crime" go away. IMO, etc. etc.

I find it extremely hard to believe the family didn't know about the jewelry, and Crump is the one who said the family didn't know about it. Crump can say anything he wants to, he'll never be asked to testify to it in court. The report was from the school, not a newspaper or blog site. They sent the pictures to Miami police, but I wonder if they sent those pictures to Orlando?

"Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.
A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver, calling the information in the report an attempt to “demonize” the youth.
According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.
Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.
Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.
“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.
School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.
“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.
That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”
The suspension was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also acknowledged Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...-martin-20120326_1_suspensions-jewelry-report

 

[Elley Mae]

The family said they were never told about a jewelry situation and their attorney suggested it was not true (why would he not have been arrested). And if he was found to have a pipe, that is a crime in itself and he would have been arrested. I never saw the pipe referenced before (the jewelry was, but it was said that the police could find no record that it was stolen). If there is a school police report, there would be an arrest for the pipe, IMO. They don't have their own legal system in the schools, suspension does not make a "crime" go away. IMO, etc. etc.

That is a good question. Let me tell you this, as a parent I would be livid if I found out that the school (or someone there) made the decision to NOT tell me that my daughter A) had items that she could not say where they came from and B) drug residue and a pipe. I would be at the board of education in a heart beat. Let's not forget he was a juvenile and not an adult when it comes to that.

 

[csziggy]

I don't know. California has linkups to all pawn shops for this purpose. I would hope most states would also have it. But I don't know if it's national or not.

Florida has a stolen property database:

This database contains Florida stolen property information as reported to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement by law enforcement agencies throughout the state and authorized for release to the public. FDLE and the reporting agencies strongly recommend that no citizen take any individual action based on this information. This information is not to be used as a confirmation or probable cause that any property is stolen. Information contained herein should not be relied upon for any type of legal action. Please be advised that the identification number assigned to a particular vehicle by the manufacturer and/or owner may not be unique; duplicates may exist. Also, some identification numbers may be used on more than one vehicle. FDLE cannot represent that this information is current, active, or complete. You should verify that a stolen property report is active with your local law enforcement agency or with the reporting agency.

http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item/displayArticleSearch.a

But apparently a system for pawn shops and police departments is privately administered and up to the local LE agencies to purchase:
LeadsOnline Brings Together Pawn Shops and Prosecutors
March 28, 2011

Tracing pawn action can make or break the case
March 28, 2011
By DOTTIE PARIS, Features Editor

MIAMI — The detectives at the Hialeah Police Department are among law enforcement officials and legal personnel using a new online tool to help solve crimes and put together cases.

Last week, the Hialeah PD recovered $2,500 in stolen jewelry after the suspect tried to sell the goods to a local pawn shop, thanks in part to a nation-wide database product called LeadsOnline.

Using item descriptions, the detectives entered information into the LeadsOnline database, and shortly thereafter were notified where the items had been sold. The suspect was located and arrested, and the stolen items were returned one day after they were stolen.

While it helped Hialeah PD to quickly track down the stolen goods, LeadsOnline has applications to the field of law.

Prosecutors and defense attorneys are using the electronic log book system to prove or disprove the whereabouts or actions of suspects involved in crime. The data provided by LeadsOnline has helped close cases ranging from simple burglary, to fraud, arson and murder.

“We’re proud that Leads Online can help catch crooks stealing from Florida’s citizens,” said LeadsOnline president and chief executive officer Dave Finley. “And we have helped prosecutors in their continual battle against perpetrators who commit a range of crimes.”

More: http://www.thefloridalawjournal.com/2011/03/leadsonline-brings-together-pawn-shops-and-prosecutors/

 

[LambChop]

Are we blaming the victims, and now even GZ for the burglaries, were the young black men breaking in not to blame at all???

Not blaming them just seems natural for someone to inform them of steps they can take to prevent being a crime victim. It's called crime prevention. Most of the larger cities provide a service through their local LE that advises people how to keep their homes safe, dead bolt locks, charlie bars, etc. It would certainly prevent breakins if those thiefs were, in fact, breaking in through the sliders. "An ounce of prevention."

GZ method of chasing, following, etc. did not turn out too well for him......nor for TM and his family. TM was suppose to feel safe within that community. It was why Mr. Martin's gf moved there. GZ was the coodinator yet did he request people protect their properties by making these relatively cost free changes to protect their homes. Or was he more interested in "patrolling".

It makes us wonder was GZ really interested in crime prevention to "to catch a thief". jmo

 

[Lovelymountains]

And from the information he was giving dispatch he wanted them to think Trayon Martin was a danger to him, yet he followed him and even hunted him down...IMHO.. I'm not convinced his call to dispatch wasn't just a setup, an excuse to kill someone and use SYG law to get away with murder...JMHO.

ETA Wonder WHY he didn't tell disptach he was the one who had a gun in his waistband and had hollow point bullets to stop Trayvon M dead in his tracks...JMHO

I,too, think that GZ was wanting to kill someone. Those hollow point bullets expand upon entering the body to cause the most tissue damage. IMO GZ felt as if he were an insignificant little man until he stuck that gun in his belt. Same as walking around with that big ol' dog. Made him important. Made him somebody. "Made him a contender." Well, IMO he is still an insignificant little man except he will soon be on trial for murder. I believe Trayvon Martin's life was over the very moment GZ exited his truck. All IMO, of course.

I happen to be a member of the NRA and, in fact, I own a revolver. A .38 police special. I would never dream of carrying it. I have it in a drawer by my bed. I have it because I live alone. The Constitution of the US guarantees my right to own this gun. It does not guarantee my right to murder someone. I wouldn't give two cents to GZ's defense fund.

 

[kimpage]

I'm going to share a story. I have a near 15-year-old son who's been treated by a psychologist for ADHD (H=impulsivity) every 2 weeks since he was 11. My husband and I have been dealing with his drug abuse (you name it, he claims he's done it) for more than 18 months now. He's in rehab through Juvenile Drug Court (JDC). His first 6 months in JDC he was popping positive every drug test. He was sent to detox for 5 days and stayed clean for 2 months before he was sent back to detox then to residential treatment by order of the court. During his time in residential, he's been sent to detention twice (5 days each). Right before his second detention, he was put on Lexapro and began the Focalin XR again. Since then, he's turned around significantly that he'll likely graduate rehab by the end of the month.

My son has been suspended 3 times since 8th grade. He's a troubled youth for sure but we've tried every punishment (except corporal) to get him onto the right track.

My son taught me some local gang signs today and tells me they don't just represent gangbangers, but "hoods" (neighborhoods). He has a FB account that we monitor. We've had to remove several offensive posts and remind him that his female cousins (tween/teen) and some of his friends parents (who also monitor their FB accounts) are offended by his message. He uses vulgarities (especially when playing XBox) and has been known to flip the bird. That said, my son IS NOT A !

Those of you who wish to portray Trayvon as a , pointing to his tweets/FB posts and his suspensions as "evidence", I'm hear to remind you that those of us with bird flipping, gang sign displaying, vulgarity spewing, hoodie-wearing/pants sagging, less than perfect teens ARE NOT BUYING IT!

BTW, Z and I have been following this case closely on his home passes/drs appointments and, according to him, Trayvon seems like a typical teen dealing with their peer environment. Their peer and online personas are not representative of who they really are. He also says "Pray 4 Tray!"

Wonderful post!!!! Thank You!

 

[Elley Mae]

:what: Dear Lord......are you expecting the Bin ladens?

No :floorlaugh: Our Troops took care of that.

 

[vlpate]

Regardless of his age, there is a juvenile justice system and it has been confirmed that Trayvon had no record whatsoever. Can't say the same for GZ and on his MySpace he even talks about a crime he got away with while his friends "got a year."

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

 

[Just K]

And never ever reach for your waist band at any time. This has been used by multiple perpetrators (LE included) in homicides of an unarmed victim. Better to stick both your arms in the air with open palms. Or may be a bullet proof vest
for high risk kids should be standard attire when venturing out on the streets..

I would add if anything below the waistband is irritating you...like a wedgie, or your pants are in need of a hike or you just have an itch...don't even think about adjusting anything down there.

 

[suzihawk]

No one is blaming the victim. Many are tired of the lopsided picture that has been painted of these two from day one. NEITHER was an angel, they both had things in their past, TM'm much more recent. If he were a year older, he's have had a record for the vandalism and police would not have taken "I don't know" for an answer when asked where he got all the jewelry. He didn't do anything horrible, but he wasn't the innocent child that he is constantly being made out to be. His past shows that he could have been up to something - regardless of whether or not GZ was aware of what he'd done previously.

It's funny how GZ's past matters when it comes to this tragedy, but he didn't deserve to be beat up by TM because of it. None of us know, not even the prosecutor, if TM was acting suspicious, and we don't know who threw first punch, so one opinion is as good as the other in this case. JMO

GZ's past matters because he's the defendant accused of the second degree murder of Trayvon.

 

[Donjeta]

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

Wishful thinking maybe? Oh to be a king again and to have a lot of boys to do my dirty work for me...

 

[LambChop]

That is a good question. Let me tell you this, as a parent I would be livid if I found out that the school (or someone there) made the decision to NOT tell me that my daughter A) had items that she could not say where they came from and B) drug residue and a pipe. I would be at the board of education in a heart beat. Let's not forget he was a juvenile and not an adult when it comes to that.

I believe the parents knew about the pot. My guess is because the jewelry story ended the school was able to locate the owner of the jewelry and there was no need to tell TM's parents because the issue was resolved. If it involved another student the school may have felt it was not necessary to involve TM's parents. The very fact the story ends abruptly without explanation and TM's parents were left out of the loop tells me it was resolved and the school is not at liberty to release the other student's name. jmo

 

[katydid23]

The family said they were never told about a jewelry situation and their attorney suggested it was not true (why would he not have been arrested). And if he was found to have a pipe, that is a crime in itself and he would have been arrested. I never saw the pipe referenced before (the jewelry was, but it was said that the police could find no record that it was stolen). If there is a school police report, there would be an arrest for the pipe, IMO. They don't have their own legal system in the schools, suspension does not make a "crime" go away. IMO, etc. etc.

There would NOT be an arrest for a pipe. If we arrested every 17 yr old found with a pot pipe there would be no room for any real criminals. I worked in an inner city high school and I NEVER EVER saw a kid arrested for drug paraphenelia. They would be sent home on suspension, pretty automatic. But no arrest unless drugs were present as well.

And how could the attorney say it was not true? Did the school write false info in his federally mandated school records? That is a federal crime for an administrator to put false information in a students permanent record file. Did Crump really say that?

 

[LambChop]

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

LOL....I don't know because apparently GZ wasn't going to serve time for anything he was responsible for. I think GZ liked to brag. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Not blaming them just seems natural for someone to inform them of steps they can take to prevent being a crime victim. It's called crime prevention. Most of the larger cities provide a service through their local LE that advises people how to keep their homes safe, dead bolt locks, charlie bars, etc. It would certainly prevent breakins if those thiefs were, in fact, breaking in through the sliders. "An ounce of prevention."

GZ method of chasing, following, etc. did not turn out too well for him......nor for TM and his family. TM was suppose to feel safe within that community. It was why Mr. Martin's gf moved there. GZ was the coodinator yet did he request people protect their properties by making these relatively cost free changes to protect their homes. Or was he more interested in "patrolling".

It makes us wonder was GZ really interested in crime prevention to "to catch a thief". jmo

FYI, it is a law that a pin lock or charlie bar be installed in all patio doors - all front exterior doors must have a privacy lock. He should not have had to tell anyone to do these things. The thugs breaking in are to blame, they had no right going into someone's home and taking things that didn't belong to them. People leave their patio doors open, with the screen shut during nice weather, do they not have a right to do that without worrying about thugs? Yes, they have that right - the thugs are the ones without the rights on the private property and the police don't have time to keep an eye on it 24/7. JMO

 

[suzihawk]

I'm going to share a story. I have a near 15-year-old son who's been treated by a psychologist for ADHD (H=impulsivity) every 2 weeks since he was 11. My husband and I have been dealing with his drug abuse (you name it, he claims he's done it) for more than 18 months now. He's in rehab through Juvenile Drug Court (JDC). His first 6 months in JDC he was popping positive every drug test. He was sent to detox for 5 days and stayed clean for 2 months before he was sent back to detox then to residential treatment by order of the court. During his time in residential, he's been sent to detention twice (5 days each). Right before his second detention, he was put on Lexapro and began the Focalin XR again. Since then, he's turned around significantly that he'll likely graduate rehab by the end of the month.

My son has been suspended 3 times since 8th grade. He's a troubled youth for sure but we've tried every punishment (except corporal) to get him onto the right track.

My son taught me some local gang signs today and tells me they don't just represent gangbangers, but "hoods" (neighborhoods). He has a FB account that we monitor. We've had to remove several offensive posts and remind him that his female cousins (tween/teen) and some of his friends parents (who also monitor their FB accounts) are offended by his message. He uses vulgarities (especially when playing XBox) and has been known to flip the bird. That said, my son IS NOT A !

Those of you who wish to portray Trayvon as a , pointing to his tweets/FB posts and his suspensions as "evidence", I'm hear to remind you that those of us with bird flipping, gang sign displaying, vulgarity spewing, hoodie-wearing/pants sagging, less than perfect teens ARE NOT BUYING IT!

BTW, Z and I have been following this case closely on his home passes/drs appointments and, according to him, Trayvon seems like a typical teen dealing with their peer environment. Their peer and online personas are not representative of who they really are. He also says "Pray 4 Tray!"

Hugs for you and your son. :grouphug:

 

[Gaia713]

No one is blaming the victim. Many are tired of the lopsided picture that has been painted of these two from day one. NEITHER was an angel, they both had things in their past, TM'm much more recent. If he were a year older, he's have had a record for the vandalism and police would not have taken "I don't know" for an answer when asked where he got all the jewelry. He didn't do anything horrible, but he wasn't the innocent child that he is constantly being made out to be. His past shows that he could have been up to something - regardless of whether or not GZ was aware of what he'd done previously.

It's funny how GZ's past matters when it comes to this tragedy, but he didn't deserve to be beat up by TM because of it. None of us know, not even the prosecutor, if TM was acting suspicious, and we don't know who threw first punch, so one opinion is as good as the other in this case. JMO

TM was not armed. GZ was. I have yet to see those serious injuries that GZ and his propaganda machine are claiming. My son had more serious wounds than that from a fight at a party. He was not armed. GZ's injuries were not serious enough to warrant anything more than first aid. TM was beyond first aid. If TM threw the first punch GZ had the right to punch back. Not to kill him.

 

[vlpate]

LOL....I don't know because apparently GZ wasn't going to serve time for anything he was responsible for. I think GZ liked to brag. jmo

I'll agree with that - part of being young sometimes (he was 21 at the time).

 

[Just K]

He'd been there often. It was a straight shot. How does one "case" a house without "looking" at it.

He knew where the 7-11 was and he had been to the community often enough that the kids there looked forward to his visits, according to this article. http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece


"Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area, and had visited his dad's girlfriend at the Retreat several times before. The kids in the neighborhood always looked forward to playing football with him."

Well, if that is true then I wonder why the ever vigilant NW captain wasn't aware of who TM was. (Come to think of it...maybe he was...) Obviously, he didn't even begin to know who belonged in his neighborhood and who didn't.