17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

[suzihawk]

It was half and half, and he obviously moved.

Huh? He moved off the sidewalk after being shot dead?

 

[HiHater]

I call bull hocky poo........that video is not that bad.

I agree...but then again, it could really be a conspiracy.

:moo::twocents:

 

[Krisy]

That still isn't self defense if you're the first aggressor.

Just because you might wind up on the losing end doesn't make it self defense.

JMHO

Thank you!!:woohoo:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Of course there was blood. Trayvon had been shot dead.

I meant GZ's blood.
There was GZ's blood at the scene.

 

[LambChop]

That still isn't self defense if you're the first aggressor.

Just because you might wind up on the losing end doesn't make it self defense.

JMHO

Like I saw before someone always has to be the "down dog". Doesn't matter who started it. jmo

 

[JeannaT]

But he wasn't!!! It's just now coming out that Travyon was the one with the broken nose, NOT George, and there are no scrapes whatsoever on Trayvon's knuckles. I believe George is in CYA mode to cover up his actions, which were of a racist vigilante determined to take down a black!!!

Can you please link that in an MSM article? If not, can you please state that you heard a rumor that it was Trayvon's nose?

 

[iluvmua]

That still isn't self defense if you're the first aggressor.

Just because you might wind up on the losing end doesn't make it self defense.

JMHO

How do you know GZ was the first aggressor? you don't, nobody does.

 

[deelytful1]

I find it quite interesting that the 2 people that are all over the talk shows defending GZ are both EXTREMELY arrogant, forceful, one sided and in my opinion downright rude and argumentative.
Joe Oliver and the neighbor Taffee.
It's right or wrong, no shades of gray or room for debate. Wonder if GZ had the same attitude about things. I would tend to think he did.

 

[m00c0w]

Huh? He moved off the sidewalk after being shot dead?

He was found halfway on the sidewalk and halfway on the grass. He would have obviously moved off from Zimmerman.

 

[Krisy]

Huh? There is plenty of evidence that TM may well have escalated things to a fight. He should fight him because GZ asked him a question?

No. He should when a stranger is stalking him, then leaves his vehicle in pursuit! Besides, GZ is nobody! T didn't have to answer him at all! I teach my kids NOT to talk to strangers and RUN away!!

 

[LinasK]

Link please

Anybody watching JVM on HLN?

The congresswoman (?) said Trayvon's nose was broken...was she mistaken? She said the autopsy said so...

The funeral director said there were no bruises on Trayvon's hands or knuckles.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/03...trayvons-hands

Zimmerman claims to have been severely beaten by Martin, but in the video Zimmerman doesn't appear to have any significant injuries.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/...video-g/nLfkD/

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-ma...7#.T3OphDEV2Hc

Enough MSM to confirm for you that I am not spreading rumors???

 

[Isabelle]

I watched the video again, but on full screen and saw what looked like a shadow on the upper right side of his head, but as he turned and the light hit the area there was nothing there.??

 

[christee]

Or maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media released a deceptive video shoddily recorded to stir the pot.

Respectfully, are you saying someone stood on a chair aboutt 8-10 feet high and recorded GZ getting out of the car, and then someone else was inside the door standing on a chair about 8ft high when GZ walked by and the video was manipulated and released by the media just "to stir the pot"?
I just don't see that happening.
MHO

 

[kimpage]

There is no way GZ's nose was broken IMHO And he was not in a fight for his life.IMHO



OT; my DH had his nose broken twice and both times there was blood all over him and one time his eyes ere swollen shut and his nose was twice the size as normal....So no way what GZ said was true IMHO JMO and stuff

 

[Sensei]

I don't think GZ has said he was being beaten so badly that his only choice to save his life was to shoot. I think he said he feared for his life.

I'm just going to ask this, honestly. if you had a gun and someone you didn't know was on top of you, how long would you wait to use it? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking you to imagine yourself in GZ's position, with some documented (maybe minimal injuries to his face and head) on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of you, how long would you wait to fire?

The only way that self defense is actually a defense is if his only choice to save his life is to shoot that person.....That is the level that self defense requires, that you must be in reasonable fear for your life, and then you are only allowed to use the force that it would require to get yourself out of danger.

I can imagine myself in GZ's position, I have been in fights and tussels, since I used to work the Alzheimers wing in a large nursing home, and not everyone with Alz is OLD, I have been punched, kicked and set upon quite a few times, and never once did I emerge as unscathed as George Zimmerman appeared to be in that video, and never once did I pull out a gun and shoot my patient. So I venture to say that I would NOT have shot anyone except as a very last resort and for me a last resort would not look like that. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[LambChop]

I'm quite sure he was cleaned up before being taken the police station. I mean he's not gonna be bleeding everywhere by then. Plus afterwards maybe he was taken to the hospital as well.

He did not go to the hospital, nor the ambulance that was on the site. An EMT treated him in or outside of the cruiser. jmo

 

[iluvmua]

it seems to me people think that since GZ had a gun he was the first one to attack TM and since TM was unarmed he possibly could not have done anything to provoke GZ to use his gun.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Quote from last thread:Anybody watching JVM on HLN?

The congresswoman (?) said Trayvon's nose was broken...was she mistaken? She said the autopsy said so...
I'll be back with the others.

She is not a credible source.

Yesterday, she stated as fact, GZ chased TM, tackled him, and shot him.

:waitasec:

I personally think she just talks to hear herself. She obviously does not research the info she puts out there.

 

[annalia]

How do you know GZ was the first aggressor? you don't, nobody does.

And I never said I did. I said just because you were on the losing end doesn't make it self defense IF you're the first aggressor..

That's why there is an arrest and a trial.

JMHO

 

[JeannaT]

I find it quite interesting that the 2 people that are all over the talk shows defending GZ are both EXTREMELY arrogant, forceful, one sided and in my opinion downright rude and argumentative.
Joe Oliver and the neighbor Taffee.
It's right or wrong, no shades of gray or room for debate. Wonder if GZ had the same attitude about things. I would tend to think he did.

More arrogant than creating posters that ask for GZ dead or alive, put a 10K price on his head, and call GZ a cracker on for profit T-shirts? Are GZ's two friends more arrogant and rude than that?