2008.07.03 CA's Myspace-...doesn't make sense REVISITED

[Woe.be.gone]

Also I think KC was jealous that she still wasn't the child, the one receiving ALL the attention ALL the time. She observed how GA and CA doted on Caylee and resented it because she didn't want to grow up herself nor was she required to.

GA and CA gave KC mixed messages - KC take care of Caylee, be a good mother but in the meantime you don't have to grow up because we're still taking care of both you and Caylee. But you'd better do what we tell you to do, when we tell you to do it because, afterall, we're watching Caylee for you whenever you need us to watch her. Except not so much anymore as we're working (or CA at least) and getting older and Caylee won't go to sleep and you keep staying out late. Plus, we no longer believe that you're working so get your arse home and take care of YOUR daughter. Don't take advantage of us being here whenever it's convenient for you and then complain that Caylee comes to us because, afterall, and don't EVER forget this, we provide for all of her needs and yours too. Also, by the way, did we tell you that, basically, you're useless? Caylee, of course, is THE BEST THING that ever came into our lives EVER. We cherish and adore her more than anybody else in the whole Universe - you know that don't you Casey? You can feel that, right Casey? Now, please leave the house but don't take Caylee with you, or do, or don't, :waitasec: we're confused.

 

[Just Jayla]

This old thread has been closed--but I hoped we might discuss Cindy's myspace note again. It is very telling about how CA felt on 7/3/08. She was worried and mad (specifically "distraught, with a sad icon).

We know that CA is not visiting KC in jail and that KC is not accepting visits. We know that CA has finally (apparently) shut down her "campaign" to show KC and the world how much we have it all wrong about KC. Aside from going to hearings, the campaign has fallen silent.

My question (if I am permitted to ask it) is when CA wrote this--why did CA use the word "jealousy"? "Jealousy has taken her away". Why would a relatively attractive 23 year old daughter be "jealous" of her 50 year old mother? How does that follow? Can you give me your take (based on facts that you now know) on why CA used that word...."jealousy"?



This note seems to be very important and I am hoping we can discuss based on facts. I do not know any 23 year olds that are "jealous" of their parents in any way.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77845&page=12&highlight=caylee+missing

"Jealousy" is a very pointed word-CA did not write resentment or frustration, she wrote jealousy. I would like to know where this sentence was really going in CA's head-Jealous that Caylee loves me more than KC?

Jealousy is very malignant in mother-daughter relationships, it had become an ugly conflict between KC & CA. Perhaps this word was unleashed the night of the fight on the 15th ?

CA goes on to carefully paint herself in a good light, not actually denying that KC should be "jealous."

Watch the jail videos, CA's body language when KC is speaking to George. CA begins to paw all over George, cling on him in a way that made me feel CA was being slightly territorial. Does CA manipulate people in order to try to make them jealous?

Too much competition between them, which had to be maddening for KC because, no, no 20 something is typically jealous of her 50 year old mother.

 

[txsvicki]

I think Casey used that same tired old M.O. as she did with Jesse. Saying that they love Caylee more than her, and maybe even that Caylee loves them too much. Cindy had probably been accused of loving Lee more at times, too. Manipulation and excuses of a psychopath. Cindy most likely was threatened many times over that past year with taking Caylee and never seeing her again. I see very little evidence that Cindy wanted total control. She would have had Caylee in daycare and wouldn't have provided a car or any spending money for Casey either. To me, that shows a mom who is busy working and who wants her unmarried daughter to take care of her child and work or go to school for their futures.

 

[essies]

It would seem that Cindy has helped write closing arguments for the prosecution-she certainly did outline motive and opportunity!!:croc:
Maybe KC can help the prosecution write closing arguments for Cindy and George - if she and hubby get charged after their "mother of the year" daughter is sentenced for first degree murder!!:furious:

 

[belle3]

cindy says twice that she left unexpectedly, she left without warning.

wasnt there a call from the anthony home to caseys cell phone early on the 16th. i always took this to mean that when she woke up the next morning they were gone. that was the reason for the early morning call to casey. the reason there were no shoes at the remains site and why the blanket was there. she snuck out with caylee wrapped in her blanket no shoes.
theres a reason why cindy so ridiculously says i heard them breathing.
cca (covering caseys *)!
she opened that door and did not find them there when she expected to. thats totally my opinion.

 

[Oakley]

It's now painfully obvious that CA was jealous of KC for giving birth to Caylee in more ways than one.

Now, we don't know much of CA's childhood or early adult life, but from her brothers pov, KC was more of the "social butterfly" than CA was at a youthful age. KC may not have had any true friends, but she did develop a very extensive social life with many coming and going acquaintances. Something that CA may not have had.

When CA was 20, having a child out of wedlock was frowned up. But for KC to do it, it's viewed as status in some groups. The younger the mother, the better they think they are. Extended families more than likely are given the roles of "mothers" by the birth mothers with approval.

With CA, she wanted that perceived role of "Mother" to Caylee more than she wanted KC and let KC know it every chance she had. No doubt, KC was exposed to it on a daily basis based on what negative behaviors CA/GA have displayed in public since July 16, 08. CA didn't "love" Caylee as we love our children and grandchildren. Caylee was a means of "sticking it" to KC/GA. CA will beg, borrow or steal to get her. And she did just this with the post. :sick:

Still, given all of this, I continue to believe the My Cayleee is Missing post was and is all a front and the beginning of the coverup for Caylee's murder by KC. CA knew, GA knew, LA knew. CA had and has to do everything to keep her ego and public image pure and intact. :furious:

BBM Agreeing with this. I am wondering if Cindy isn't projecting her own jealousy of Casey in this July 3 MySpace post. Cindy has certainly been living Casey's "Bella Vita" good life since Casey has been incarcerated. Not to say that Casey didn't resent (and perhaps even hate) Cindy for attempting to take control of Caylee. But for Cindy to say "Jealousy" had taken Caylee away from her, when has Cindy ever demonstrated any kind of rational logic, accuracy, or perception (not to mention truthfulness) in giving an account of an event or situation? IMO.

 

[affinity]

I think Casey used that same tired old M.O. as she did with Jesse. Saying that they love Caylee more than her, and maybe even that Caylee loves them too much. Cindy had probably been accused of loving Lee more at times, too. Manipulation and excuses of a psychopath. Cindy most likely was threatened many times over that past year with taking Caylee and never seeing her again. I see very little evidence that Cindy wanted total control. She would have had Caylee in daycare and wouldn't have provided a car or any spending money for Casey either. To me, that shows a mom who is busy working and who wants her unmarried daughter to take care of her child and work or go to school for their futures.

Very respectfully disagree. It seems (to me) that CA LOVED that KC did not provide for Caylee, that she didn't finish high school--that KC was ill equipped to be a parent. CA loved the role of "real mommy". if CA REALLY wanted KC to be self sufficient she wouldn't have gotten angry with GA when GA tried to check up on Casey's whereabouts (when KC lied about working at Sports Authority). No, Cindy liked KC under her thumb. CA dreaded the day when KC might get it together and leave! CA was enabling KC to be the biggest screw up she could be ...so that CA could continue to own her little living toy.

 

[Jolynna]

I think there was more than one kind of jealousy going on when Casey took Caylee's life.

I do believe Cindy loved Caylee. I think George did too. I've seen pictures of Caylee's room. her grandparents showered her with gifts and made her their princess. George even said in an LE interview that he loved Casey, but that he had a more special relationship with Caylee. Remember the conversation heard on one of the 911 call between Casey and Cindy where Cindy says she is going to get take Caylee away from Casey (I'm paraphrasing)? Or when Cindy told LE Casey could stay in jail, she just wanted Caylee back? Casey herself said her family just wanted Caylee back.

I agree that Casey was jealous because she thought Caylee loved Cindy best. But I also think Casey was jealous because Cindy (and George) loved Caylee best. Caylee was adored and it sounds as if Casey was hearing she was a thief, a bad mother who wasn't doing her share, a liar and a slacker who didn't finish high school. I think Casey was a more like a spoiled older sister resenting her cuter replacement than a mother.

I don't know what went on between Cindy and Casey and Caylee on June 15, but I suspect Caylee tattled on Casey (Casey gave Caylee a lot to talk about) which brought all of Casey's resentments to a head. I think Casey was feeling trapped by mother duties, was furious with Caylee for ratting her out and hating Cindy for daring to nag and criticize. What better way to punish Cindy for hurting her than to take away what Cindy loved most? Casey also wanted to punish and forever silence the tattletale (that her mother loved better than her).

Cindy knows what she said to Casey on June 15. She knows if she did compete with Casey over Caylee and Caylee loved her best that this ate away at Casey. She knows if she loved Caylee more. She knows if she gave Casely an ultimatum. And if she said she was going after custody of Caylee but Casey needed to look into living elsewhere. She knows how many times she called Casey and made Casey come home to take care of her 'mistake'.

I don't think Cindy thinks she did everything right. I think she is eaten up inside with guilt and what ifs. I think remorse overwhelms her. I see her as throwing herself into saving Casey so she doesn't have to think or feel.

 

[Aedrys]

I think CA saw Caylee as a second chance to have a daughter that wasn't a screw up, a liar, and a thief. I think Casey saw that she was being replaced by Caylee, and that eventually, CA would throw Casey out but keep Caylee. I think Casey resented, big time, not being the center of her family's life anymore, and she couldn't stand the thought of being replaced by Caylee.

I also think the person who said that CA purposely sabotaged Casey is correct. Why help her be a better mother? Why help her get a job or get on the right path? The more Casey acted up and was a bad mother, the closer CA got to her second chance. Sadly, I think Casey would have been the one thrown away like trash, forgotten in a second because there was young, uncorrupt, innocent Caylee to take her place and be the daughter that Cindy always wanted.

I think that is where a lot of Cindy's guilt comes from. She knows that she doesn't love Casey the way she should, so in trying to help Casey as much as possible since the murder, she's trying to be the mother she should have been to Casey in the first place. Too bad Casey won't even speak or look at her at anymore. That must be killing Cindy, and George, for that matter. I think Caylee was becoming the center of his universe as well, replacing Casey in his eyes too.

Sadly, Caylee paid the ultimate price of bad parenting on top of bad parenting. Casey never wanted her in the first place - I suspect Cindy had to bribe and make all sorts of promises to her just so Caylee would be born. And then Casey didn't change, never bonded with her own daughter and her behavior got worse and worse. CA and GA gave up on her, and so she got furious and took away their new hope, the daughter they wished they had, and the promise of a better future. What a spiteful b**** she really is.

 

[magic-cat]

Very respectfully disagree. It seems (to me) that CA LOVED that KC did not provide for Caylee, that she didn't finish high school--that KC was ill equipped to be a parent. CA loved the role of "real mommy". if CA REALLY wanted KC to be self sufficient she wouldn't have gotten angry with GA when GA tried to check up on Casey's whereabouts (when KC lied about working at Sports Authority). No, Cindy liked KC under her thumb. CA dreaded the day when KC might get it together and leave! CA was enabling KC to be the biggest screw up she could be ...so that CA could continue to own her little living toy.

Cindy is the classic martyr. She works herself to death to support everyone, she does everything to keep her home in perfect order, she cleans up her evil daughters messes time and time again, she cares for Caylee, she puts up with George and his never working and possibly his women too, and THEN...she plays the martyr. The poor opressed and downtrodden ME game, where she lays on the guilt as thick as it can be spread. And everyone PLAYS her game, because, well, heck, she let's them all walk all over her, use her, abuse her and all they have to put up with is a little guilt? What a trade. Cindy did want to take Caylee away from Casey. She calls Caylee HER child even though she most certainly was NOT her child. She was her grandchild. But in her mind, she put up with all that abuse, using and cleaning up of messes, and working herself to death with little to no appreciation, so THAT was her reward to herself. She became, in her own mind, the mother of Caylee. So sad...it is all so sad.:banghead:

 

[affinity]

Cindy is the classic martyr. She works herself to death to support everyone, she does everything to keep her home in perfect order, she cleans up her evil daughters messes time and time again, she cares for Caylee, she puts up with George and his never working and possibly his women too, and THEN...she plays the martyr. The poor opressed and downtrodden ME game, where she lays on the guilt as thick as it can be spread. And everyone PLAYS her game, because, well, heck, she let's them all walk all over her, use her, abuse her and all they have to put up with is a little guilt? What a trade. Cindy did want to take Caylee away from Casey. She calls Caylee HER child even though she most certainly was NOT her child. She was her grandchild. But in her mind, she put up with all that abuse, using and cleaning up of messes, and working herself to death with little to no appreciation, so THAT was her reward to herself. She became, in her own mind, the mother of Caylee. So sad...it is all so sad.:banghead:

Agreed Magic-cat. I've done some of that martyring in my life too...you just assume because you are being so good and great to everyone that they will love you and notice what a great job you are doing. If people don't do want you want you try to guilt them. (I was better at the working part that the guilting part).
Many people here have written about the unhealthy enmeshing of roles in the Anthony house..and how Caylee replaced KC as princess. But I wonder if CA & GA treated KC like a princess......really? If KC is a psychopath and/or sociopath --she never bonded with her parents (and from the looks of the jail house visits that seems accurate). So perhaps KC was treated more like the frog than the princess.

Likely the reason the bonding (between KC & CA) did not take place is because CA has deep problems of her own. Much much deeper than we can guess! I am glad so many people here recognize that CA is so much of the problem..Every one "hates" KC, but many people in this thread acknowledge that KC was deeply harmed by her own Mother. No excuses for KC, but the manipulation and hatred began at the top of the food chain in that household. Judging from the jailhouse tapes KC didn't/doesn't know GA barely at all! Aside from when he called KC "gorgeous"..GA & KC talked to each other like strangers talk to each other. No bond with her parents.

 

[magic-cat]

Agreed Magic-cat. I've done some of that martyring in my life too...you just assume because you are being so good and great to everyone that they will love you and notice what a great job you are doing. If people don't do want you want you try to guilt them. (I was better at the working part that the guilting part).
Many people here have written about the unhealthy enmeshing of roles in the Anthony house..and how Caylee replaced KC as princess. But I wonder if CA & GA treated KC like a princess......really? If KC is a psychopath and/or sociopath --she never bonded with her parents (and from the looks of the jail house visits that seems accurate). So perhaps KC was treated more like the frog than the princess.

Likely the reason the bonding (between KC & CA) did not take place is because CA has deep problems of her own. Much much deeper than we can guess! I am glad so many people here recognize that CA is so much of the problem..Every one "hates" KC, but many people in this thread acknowledge that KC was deeply harmed by her own Mother. No excuses for KC, but the manipulation and hatred began at the top of the food chain in that household. Judging from the jailhouse tapes KC didn't/doesn't know GA barely at all! Aside from when he called KC "gorgeous"..GA & KC talked to each other like strangers talk to each other. No bond with her parents.

IF Casey is a sociopath (and I believe she IS) then the signs and symptoms, the behaviors, would have manifested by the time she was 15 years old. By the time WE met Casey she was already 22 right? So her family would have been putting up with her behaviors for 7 years or better at that point...I am sure they would have been pretty fed up with her by THEN.

Also we need to remember that George and Casey had not been getting along for years, and they had been estranged from one another if you put the pieces together of their various stories...it was only THIS tragedy that made Casey say she wanted to meet with George alone because she had been away from him the longest and was just starting to get close with him again...So there were OBVIOUSLY problems on THAT front.

We also have many of the people close to Casey telling how she told them her mom was trying to take over with Caylee, taking Caylee away from her, trying to be the mom and that was a source of contention between Casey and Cindy. Reference Caylee's 2nd birthday when Cindy was the one helping her open her presents instead of Casey...Also there was all the stealing and the money problems that Casey was causing for Cindy, who appears to be the only one who was working. Also add to this the fact that Cindy was continually telling Casey what an unfit mother she was and referencing Caylee as a mistake...it ALL adds up to there were MUCHO problems in this family, between them all.

The roles in this family were mightily confounded. You have a grandmother as the primary bread winner and night time caretaker of Caylee. You have a grandfather who was estranged from his daughter and yet as close as could be to his granddaughter. You have a son who seems to work as a mediator between them all. You have a granddaughter being placed into the position of daughter and replacing the daughter that they were so disgusted with. You have a daughter who was displaying classic signs of several Personality Disorders IN CONTROL of it all by the tactics she was using, ie: Caylee as leverage. The whole thing was unhealthy and was bound to implode at some point. Unfortunately, when that day came, it took with it a sweet little girl's life, who was innocent of ALL and did not deserve to be the center of such a deadly tug of war.

 

[magic-cat]

I think Cindy let's us know clearly that the roles were not right here. She says
MY Caylee is missing...

Her Caylee...

That says it all in a nutshell.

 

[notthatsmart]

For what its worth, its my opinion. I think this family is some what normal. Ca is a little controlling, but nothing out of the ordinary. The children were well taken care of. I can tell this by the pictures of the bedrooms and all the clothes and shoes. Caylee was loved by all. Lee was just doing his part and helping in anyway he could. Kc is much closer to Ga than anyone can even imagine. They are not estranged. She has always been able to depend on her dad for help. Does not surprise me that she went to him. She can hand the cans over and say heres your *** gas cans because she knows her father loves her unconditionally. I am not convinced that Kc is a sociopath. Not sure what that is, but am waiting for a professional diagnosis. Not sure about the lies either, since everything she was interogated about was a false date, june 9th. I think we can disect any family and find where there could be flaws and personallity disorders. We have learned so much about this family without actually seeing them interact with Caylee, we have learned to hate them. Normally you would see the good and the bad and the ugly and in the end say, hmmm normal american family, but here we are only seeing the bad and the ugly, so our imagination begins to wander. In my opinion, this is a simple typical american family. MOO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

MagicCat, you post is right on!


Also, remember it was CA who promised Inmate Anthony that it will all be okay when she has this baby. Did Inmate Anthony feel, since it was her mother who wanted her to have this child, then it's her mother who should support her! Inmate Anthony probably never thought her mother would make these demands for her to be a better parent to Caylee. CA grew weary of Inmate Anthony's selfish behavior, wanting the party lifestyle, staying out till all hours of the night. How could she possible care properly for Caylee if she didn't get enough sleep! CA's ultimatum seemed to have Inmate Anthony confused, thinking but my mother said she would be there for me, now she doesn't want to watch Caylee anymore?? IMO, CA probably always threw in Inmate Anthony's face, if it wasn't for me, where would you and Caylee be! If I didnt' support you, how could you afford to buy diapers and food? If it weren't for me, etc...seems to me that CA would always throw in Inmate Anthony's face, all that I have done for you...throw it in your face, never let you forget if it wasn't for me nonsense. Besides telling her repeatedly, Caylee was a mistake but the best mistake you've ever made! When you do something from the heart it seems unnecessary to contantly berate you over this, sort of brow beaten day after ugly day, martyr seems to fit. Boundries in this family seem to be nonexistant.

I often wonder if Inmate Anthony bought anything for Caylee. Why would CA not ask her to buy her own diapers with her own money if she knew she was working. Why not contribute to the family, buy some food, milk, whatever! Did she ever wonder where Inmate Anthony's alleged check from work went? What did she spend it on? This is where the boundries were confused. I do beleive CA treated both Caylee and Inmate Anthony as siblings, so in Inmate Anthonys mind, she was essentially the nanny to her "sister", not her own child and had dissociated her role as "mother" early on, IMO..I thought I'd drop over when I heard CA say on one interview, Casey is my best friend! No, wrong, it is never a good idea to feel your child is your best friend. A child can feel their parent is their best friend but never the other way around.

This family had issues for a very long time only they didn't see how they participated in bringing a sociopath into this world by not holding her responsible for any wrongdoing in her life. I'm sure by the time Inmate Anthony hit 15 or 16 y/o, she was already out of hand! So how do you reign in an adult who has their own child? Give them the responsbilities every parent has, pay rent, buy food, diapers, etc...they let Inmate Anthony slide for so many years only whatever hatred Inmate Anthony held towards CA, since Caylee was the light of their lives, to remove her is the ultimate betrayal and a final way to hurt them as they hurt me! An I'll show them attitude, you don't mess with me..just like we heard CA tell TM..a child learns what they live. CA might think she was the best role model for her children for she is the glue that held this family together, good work ethics by bringing home the bacon but her degrading, demeaning and degradation through her words that cut like a knife and leave huge mental scarring..CA has a vicious tongue, Inmate Anthony is one messed up adult, JMHO!

Justice for Caylee!

 

[whiteangora]

For what its worth, its my opinion. I think this family is some what normal. Ca is a little controlling, but nothing out of the ordinary. The children were well taken care of. I can tell this by the pictures of the bedrooms and all the clothes and shoes. Caylee was loved by all. Lee was just doing his part and helping in anyway he could. Kc is much closer to Ga than anyone can even imagine. They are not estranged. She has always been able to depend on her dad for help. Does not surprise me that she went to him. She can hand the cans over and say heres your *** gas cans because she knows her father loves her unconditionally. I am not convinced that Kc is a sociopath. Not sure what that is, but am waiting for a professional diagnosis. Not sure about the lies either, since everything she was interogated about was a false date, june 9th. I think we can disect any family and find where there could be flaws and personallity disorders. We have learned so much about this family without actually seeing them interact with Caylee, we have learned to hate them. Normally you would see the good and the bad and the ugly and in the end say, hmmm normal american family, but here we are only seeing the bad and the ugly, so our imagination begins to wander. In my opinion, this is a simple typical american family. MOO

bbm
CA, "a little controlling"? ----- April Fools, right?
Since when is a child's well being measured by clothes and shoes?
The full closets and bedrooms crammed full of junk only show how materialistic these people are. Nothing typical here.

 

[RubyB]

I think Cindy let's us know clearly that the roles were not right here. She says
MY Caylee is missing...

Her Caylee...

That says it all in a nutshell.

Problem was CA wanted to have her cake & eat it too!

Well... one of a myriad of problems, anyway.

 

[notthatsmart]

bbm
CA, "a little controlling"? ----- April Fools, right?
Since when is a child's well being measured by clothes and shoes?
The full closets and bedrooms crammed full of junk only show how materialistic these people are. Nothing typical here.

Well I will agree that you can not use that as the only thing, but with the testimony of others saying Kc was a good mother and that Caylee seemed happy,normal, and the pictures that show it, I came to that conclusion. Caylee was well taken care of and cared for. I buy my children clothing all the time and I don't consider it junk, but it certainly does not mean I am materialistic in anyway. Its okay folks to buy your children clothing and shoes. IMO

Ps, heres a news flash: Its not only okay to provide food shelter and clothing for our children, its our responsibility... MOO

 

[LambChop]

Well I will agree that you can not use that as the only thing, but with the testimony of others saying Kc was a good mother and that Caylee seemed happy,normal, and the pictures that show it, I came to that conclusion. Caylee was well taken care of and cared for. I buy my children clothing all the time and I don't consider it junk, but it certainly does not mean I am materialistic in anyway. Its okay folks to buy your children clothing and shoes. IMO

Ps, heres a news flash: Its not only okay to provide food shelter and clothing for our children, its our responsibility... MOO

BOOMSHELL: KC provided none of those things from the time Caylee was born. She had no job, she had no income. Everything provided for the child was provided by the grandparents. KC only had time to party while dragging her child along and KC forcing the child to sleep in the same bed as the BF du jour. That is not a good mother. A child needs to sleep in their own bed. They need a sense of security. They need their own playmates not the wild partying friends KC hung with. KC has shown she was anything but responsible, stealing from friends, lovers and family. The lowest of lows. Not a good role model for her child and at the very opposite end of the meaning of being responsible. JMO

 

[pistolina]

I don’t think I can call the Anthony Family dynamics normal. Normal families don’t kill each other, they work things out.

I know from experience that there can be a lot of jealousy/tension between a mother and a daughter when the daughter is living at home trying to raise a child. My sister did this for 4 years. Many of the issues my mother and sister had boiled down to who my nephew’s “real” mother was. He is 16 now and still believes that his “Mimi” is boss over his mother even though they have not lived together for over 12 years. When a situation arises there may be some yelling but they work it out.

I will also mention that my sister got pregnant at 16. She went to night school to get her HS diploma, she worked fulltime at the daycare that my nephew attended, she started college a year early, and graduated in 4 years with a 4.0. That is what a good mother does. She sets goals for herself that will help to better herself so she can provide a better life for her child.